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    no he did not

    and then you know People tend to consider smart and articulate takes rather than takes like got

    imho fwiw tbh
    Whatever you say. He took that L though.

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    Whatever you say. He took that L though.
    Me love some delusional


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    dat strategic mistake from the Krew to mess with Mid... Mid is one the greatest ST mind and is merciless... he's gonna marginalize dat krew in no time

    Harlem/Apo should have sent some PMs to save them from embarrassment...

    Yeah that was a pretty hilarious read. Absolutely crushed the krew.

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    Me love some delusional

    Dude got so worked up. Almost lost all his rep if he didn't continue.

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    Dude got so worked up. Almost lost all his rep if he didn't continue.
    to be fair he is keeping much better his composture than me

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    to be fair he is keeping much better his composture than me

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    The Spurs are not a "two man attack" and no reasonable person ever suggested that. It's the system involving everyone that makes the team so great. That and amazing frontcourt depth. Nobody can compete with this frontcourt of Leonard/Aldridge/Duncan/Diaw/West/Boban/Simmons.

    The beauty of the Spurs is that there is always someone else to step up when someone else slacks. Leonard has an off shooting night? Parker scores 26. Aldridge has a bad game? Diaw gives us 18 off the bench. Duncan plays like he's actually a 39 year old man? Boban has his back. Patty Mills and Danny Green can't find their shot? Manu has just enough left in the tank for the occasional scoring outburst.

    It's the depth that will win a championship. Just like 2014. Except better.
    I agree with this. As well as Pop using his stars as decoys. Tony shot very well, but all his jumpshots (that I can recall) were wide open. He was not forcing up. They were going under screens on him, and didn't want to double off Aldridge at times, leaving him open. He had to take those shots and did. Luckily he had a good night where his jumpshot was falling. He's had rough nights when that shot is not going in and its a kind of nightmare to deal with.

    Kawhi just had a rough night himself. He wasn't aggressive. He missed opportunities to score in transition, where he's a beast and he passed up some shots. It's rare but even stars have their occassional rough night. Its a testament to the team, that precisely they have a system that provides for everyone being a threat to score and allowing for the possibility of other guys stepping up.

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    If Kawhi had more cutters and shooters surrounding him then he could better create with his postup game.
    Which is why the ball is going through Parker. I had to accept it. Kawhi is so good he doesn't need the ball to make an impact. And if you had to choose out of LMA and KL who to run offense with you choose LMA because in the scheme of things, kawhi can still space and make plays and Aldridge can't contribute like that; he needs the ball. Mid is right, You need Parker to be a threat in order to have a legitimate big three still other wise we only truly have a big 2. And the only way he can be a threat with kl and lma is to run the pick and roll. Also mis is right we will live and die with Parker this year. I know this sucks for some but in order for us to play parker, lma, and Kl is has to be this way. So Leonard will have fewer attempts most nights and pretty much ends his mvp candidacy, but for us to be the best team we can we got to play parker this way. And if hits the fan in the playoffs then you still have this card. You put another spacer in and u feed the ball to Kl and lma. Makes sense we don't do it unless we have to.

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    At halftime, Popovich approached Parker and asked him if he’d kindly take over some of the scoring load.Parker had managed eight points in the second quarter, after going scoreless in the first.
    “I just think he was trying to distribute too much,” Popovich said. “He had opportunities to shoot. He opted to be a distributor. I told him he needed to be more of a scorer.”
    http://www.expressnews.com/sports/sp...ns-6755059.php


    Don't see the fuss here..TP answered Pop call, simple as that..No hero-balling and such (basically simliar to first half in Memphis game when he kept us afloat). It is a luxury that we hopefully keep on having throughout the year..

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    As much as I am impressed with Kawhi's offensive production, Parker will still need to be the primary threat in offense.
    So Leonard will have fewer attempts most nights and pretty much ends his mvp candidacy, but for us to be the best team we can we got to play parker this way. And if hits the fan in the playoffs then you still have this card. You put another spacer in and u feed the ball to Kl and lma. Makes sense we don't do it unless we have to.
    Big part of Parker's good season due to Kawhi drawing the defensive attention since the first game in Oklahoma.

    In the las 20 games, Kawhi's taking less than 13 shots per game, if he has fewer attempts than that, not only the Spurs'll slow his development, also, the other teams will adjust on Parker and at this point of his career he isn't a mismatch-creator like LMA and Kawhi ...
    The last thing Parker needs is a passive Kawhi on the offensive end or to be the primary threat in all games remaining half of season.


    I like that Tony scored 30+, I love the W, Kawhi sucked balls, but, at the end of the day, this gotta be a fluke game, tbh... Kawhi should be the guy you expect to score 20+ every night at this stage of the team, not Parker, Tim or Manu. If you get a good matchup or if one of those guys have a renaissance game, you take it, but it can't be the norm, IMO. I do agree that Tony has to "draw attention", and I would argue that extends to Tim and Manu too. I think Tony is mature enough to know he won't be able to do this every night, and won't try to force the issue.
    Hopefully, you're right, but in the last 20 games Parker has increased his role, getting more touches than Kawhi, carrying the load on offense with mixed results.

    It's likely that Pop had some plan B with LMA at left elbow area to initiate the offense instead of Parker, but Parker's level has convinced him to not make drastric changes and return to the most classic Spurs offense with Parker running pick and roll/pops with LMA, go iso in some plays, and the wings, Green and Kawhi, as spot-up 3-point shooters.

    That's why Kawhi, who was a beast in the post in the first months, isn't getting the ball in his favorite spot, his post-up play Freq in the last 20 games, is lower than last season.

    But like I said before, not sure that will work for Parker -drawing all the defensive attention again- in the long run.

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    Remember when some people on here said Prigioni was a better PG than Parker ?

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    Hopefully, you're right, but in the last 20 games Parker has increased his role, getting more touches than Kawhi, carrying the load on offense with mixed results.


    What mixed results ?

    dat player fans... Meh my boy needs more FGAs smh

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    I use to think Kawhi's dribble-drive game was very rough, but when he does commit, they usually can't stop him from getting into the paint.

    His length allows him to "dribble long" and cover more distance quickly, which basically translates into him having a very quick first step without having elite footspeed (like Lebron, for instance). Durant uses his length in a similar fashion when dribbling.

    We should see 2 or 3 moves like this every game:



    The two examples you posted were in playoffs games with Parker was injured or having a bad night, when Parker increases his role like last games, Kawhi's more a spot up shooter.

    Also, we should look where are Baynes, Tim, Tiago who takes a step back to draw Griffin out of the paint...they clear out for Kawhi.
    We don't see it very often with LMA and Tim to allow him to make those 2-3 plays in a game like you want. On other hand, the second unit with Boris always draw a big to let Manu driving to the rim.

    I don't get his hesitation/deferring.
    On a Pop's team if some key player in the last 20 games is taking less shots or deferring more, is by design.

    If Pop would want other thing of Kawhi, he'd ask him to do it after the first game he wasn't aggressive enough, like he asked Parker yesterday after the first half.
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    What mixed results ?
    Yeah...mixed results. He made and missed shots.

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    Yeah...mixed results. He made and missed shots.
    Because when Kawhi has more FGAs Spurs don't make and miss shots ?

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    dat player fans... Meh my boy needs more FGAs smh
    If a player fan is a guy who wants the best for his team and knows that means to develop their young best player because him being the best player he can be will help the team to win rings...well, I like that type of player fan.

    At least, he thinks in the future of the team, unlike the real player fans who only watch the Spurs because a french player, or they like only our PG and stop watching this team when their guy is gone...

    And still better than the other fans saying that a 34 years old needs to play this way every night, dropping 30 points every game, to be the primary threat on offense of the team, when the team signed LMA for some good reason...
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    Because when Kawhi has more FGAs Spurs don't make and miss shots ?
    In January Parker's taking the same FGAs than Kawhi and shooting .458 FG%, Kawhi .507 FG% so he's missing less shots...

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    In January Parker's taking the same FGAs than Kawhi and shooting .458 FG%, Kawhi .507 FG% so he's missing less shots...
    In other word, in the 4 January games Tony has played in, he's shooting 46% compared to Leonard's 51%. That's pretty insignificant if you ask me. Could you have found a smaller sample size?

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    I like that Tony scored 30+, I love the W, Kawhi sucked balls, but, at the end of the day, this gotta be a fluke game, tbh... Kawhi should be the guy you expect to score 20+ every night at this stage of the team, not Parker, Tim or Manu. If you get a good matchup or if one of those guys have a renaissance game, you take it, but it can't be the norm, IMO. I do agree that Tony has to "draw attention", and I would argue that extends to Tim and Manu too. I think Tony is mature enough to know he won't be able to do this every night, and won't try to force the issue.

    But I think this particular game said more about Kawhi, still having a tough time finding his regularity, than Tony or anybody else. He got looks, he even forced the issue a few times, and I felt he was discouraged and kinda removed himself from the offense at times. I'm sure Pop and him will review the tape and come back strong from this, but it's a process. People forget how young he is, and he's a gym rat, so no concerns here at the moment.
    No he didn't. Only idiots would infer that.
    Before you get too over emotional, Nono basically said the same I said on my first post. This game SHOULD NOT be the norm so I dont think using this as an example to support his point was good. But Im sure you would have your signature Chump reply on this one, so have it tbh.

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    In other word, in the 4 January games Tony has played in, he's shooting 46% compared to Leonard's 51%. That's pretty insignificant if you ask me. Could you have found a smaller sample size?
    If the numbers were different most people here will say "Kawhi isn't even shooting over .50...Mon Dieu! that ugly kid struggling every game."

    Or maybe a small sample size is enough to know that Parker increasing his role on offense and taking the same or more shots than Kawhi can transform him into an ineffective player...

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    If the numbers were different most people here will say "Kawhi isn't even shooting over .50...Mon Dieu! that ugly kid struggling every game."

    Or maybe a small sample size is enough to know that Parker increasing his role on offense and taking the same or more shots than Kawhi can transform him into an ineffective player...
    So going from a 53% (1st among pgs) shooter to a 46% (4th among pgs) shooter somehow makes him an ineffective player?

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    So going from a 53% (1st among pgs) shooter to a 45.8% (4th among pgs) shooter somehow makes him an ineffective player?
    When Kawhi averaged 20.3 ppg in 47.7 FG% last playoffs, most people here said he was so inefficient during the series, so the answer by ST criteria is...yes.

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    It's like Tony was trolling the dabom cabal when he went out for that game. You know that mouthbreather was just praying for a repeat of Tony's post injury performance last year. He comes back and looks rested and scoring at ease. Takes over quarters offensively.

    Our corps francais came to play this year.

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    If a player fan is a guy who wants the best for his team and knows that means to develop their young best player because him being the best player he can be will help the team to win rings...well, I like that type of player fan.

    At least, he thinks in the future of the team, unlike the real player fans who only watch the Spurs because a french player, or they like only our PG and stop watching this team when their guy is gone...

    And still better than the other fans saying that a 34 years old needs to play this way every night, dropping 30 points every game, to be the primary threat on offense of the team, when the team signed LMA for some good reason...
    Doesn't have to be the primary threat to be a threat does he? But he just has to be a threat in crunch time like I have said cause if not he has no place on the floor. You don't want him on the three point line with the game on the line just to feed Leonard. Maybe if kawhi is having a monster game and you then sub in patty. It kinda makes the offense predictable though... i had to accept the fact that kawhis opportunity is in the first 3 1/2 quarters, after that it's Tony and LMA time like it or not. Also I think some of his lack of touches are because teams are now fronting the post and they can easily discourage the entry pass so he never sees it. The spurs don't really force feed. It's either there or it isn't. I was pleasantly surprised to see Duncan do a high low with him last game which drew a foul and a trip to the line.hopefully this is a sign of things to come.

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    The two examples you posted were in playoffs games with Parker was injured or having a bad night, when Parker increases his role like last games, Kawhi's more a spot up shooter.

    Also, we should look where are Baynes, Tim, Tiago who takes a step back to draw Griffin out of the paint...they clear out for Kawhi.
    We don't see it very often with LMA and Tim to allow him to make those 2-3 plays in a game like you want. On other hand, the second unit with Boris always draw a big to let Manu driving to the rim.


    On a Pop's team if some key player in the last 20 games is taking less shots or deferring more, is by design.

    If Pop would want other thing of Kawhi, he'd ask him to do it after the first game he wasn't aggressive enough, like he asked Parker yesterday after the first half.
    This is again not really true. I watched last night's game closely and paid attention to where Kawhi was getting the ball. Overall, he got about 45 front court touches (which is on his season average and only 2.7 below Durant's, who is a high usage player). Many of those touches were in advantageous one-on-one position where could've drove on his defender.

    Example:



    Good clear out. Kawhi has two good driving lanes. He can go right, blowing by Morris, and go to hoop or dish it off to LMA for an open dunk/layup if Iliasova rotates early to try and block the shot. Drummond would also get sucked in, leaving Duncan open for a pass as a 3rd option. Or he can go left, which would draw Drummond in immediately, leaving Duncan open for a pass and jumper. The first option is obviously the better choice. He also can take a couple of dribbles and back down his defender from this position (e.g. Kobe), which likely draw in Drummond as well.

    What did he do? Held the ball for about 2 seconds and passed it back to Duncan. Lebron, Durant, etc turn that situation in an score/assist 75% of the time. Yes, I know Kawhi doesn't have their dribble-drive skills, but I think he's becoming underrated in that aspect. Like I said, when he commits to a drive, they can't keep him out of the paint.

    What's interesting is that this indecisiveness came after Kawhi got the ball earlier in two similar situations that resulted in him missing both shots (they were good looks that just rimmed out). Read into that what you will, but it seems he loses a bit of confidence and purpose when he misses shots early on. It's something we've been saying about his offensive game for the past couple of years.

    Also worth mentioning is that due to amount of energy he expends on defense, he might be purposely deferring at times to catch his breath.

    I know you're clamoring for most post feeds, but posting him a lot in that lineup will pretty much kill spacing since Danny is the only 3 point shooter in the lineup. It might look good when it works, but in the long run, it would be an easy situation to defend since there's not enough shooters to keep the defense honest. They'd just stay home on Green and swarm Kawhi.

    We'd need a Kevin Love type of stretch 4 for an offensive scheme built around Kawhi in the post.

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