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    Also, I dont know why Nono is painting me as a Manu hater. I love Manu and always have. I'm not APO and not trying to be a Manu hater.
    Because taking a dig at a player and surmising that it's primarily about the money (given Manu's contract history) is downright disrespectful to Manu. A factor, possibly? But to suggest that he was trying to string the franchise along at the detriment of the strengthening of the team is completely opposite of what he has done his entire career. Of the big three, Manu is the one that has sacrificed the most (starting role, minutes, money, reputation, all-star berths, etc...).

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    To me... it is Pau who makes his decisions based on money - and his effort on the court only makes it worse. Manu still gives his ALL when on the court. Pau should have been a Spur when left LA for Chicago - MONEY was the factor. He became a Spur two years too late.

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    Because taking a dig at a player and surmising that it's primarily about the money (given Manu's contract history) is downright disrespectful to Manu. A factor, possibly? But to suggest that he was trying to string the franchise along at the detriment of the strengthening of the team is completely opposite of what he has done his entire career. Of the big three, Manu is the one that has sacrificed the most (starting role, minutes, money, reputation, all-star berths, etc...).
    There is no question, even with SA's executives saying they wish they knew Manu's decision, that he did draw this out. Do you, as a rational human, really think that with all the time he had to think about this that he really needed that extra 12 days to truly decide once FA kicked off?

    Sure, it's possible that he was just agonizing over it, but seems really doubtful to me.

    Im not taking a dig at him either. Saying that money is a major factor, as evidence by him going to PHI last year and leveraging them into 3 TIMES the money SA offered I would think bolsters my point.

    I absolutely think he know about Hanga's situation and by dragging it out it cost the team Hanga. I also think that SA is fine with that because Manu is a Spurs legend and he comes WELL before any player like Hanga.

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    To me... it is Pau who makes his decisions based on money - and his effort on the court only makes it worse. Manu still gives his ALL when on the court. Pau should have been a Spur when left LA for Chicago - MONEY was the factor. He became a Spur two years too late.
    I don't see how you can "defend" Manu (not there should be any defending - he's doing nothing wrong) but then paint Pau as greedy when he opted out of 16M totally unexpectedly to give the Spurs max flexibility while not even taking any FA meetings and he's only been on the team one year

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    Because taking a dig at a player and surmising that it's primarily about the money (given Manu's contract history) is downright disrespectful to Manu. A factor, possibly? But to suggest that he was trying to string the franchise along at the detriment of the strengthening of the team is completely opposite of what he has done his entire career. Of the big three, Manu is the one that has sacrificed the most (starting role, minutes, money, reputation, all-star berths, etc...).
    Also, what? Tim sacrificed plenty. Any people pointing to his old contracts (when he's made plenty of money like TP) are precisely why he's making up for the money now. I don't understand why people view that as a knock on Manu or fail to see this.

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    Also, I dont know why Nono is painting me as a Manu hater. I love Manu and always have. I'm not APO and not trying to be a Manu hater.

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    Also, what? Tim sacrificed plenty. Any people pointing to his old contracts (when he's made plenty of money like TP) are precisely why he's making up for the money now. I don't understand why people view that as a knock on Manu or fail to see this.
    Tim was the face of the franchise. Apples to oranges.

    Also, the deflection is unnecessary because I'm not trying to convince anyone that Tim or Parker made their decisions based on money. It's a red herring.

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    I don't see how you can "defend" Manu (not there should be any defending - he's doing nothing wrong) but then paint Pau as greedy when he opted out of 16M totally unexpectedly to give the Spurs max flexibility while not even taking any FA meetings and he's only been on the team one year
    Of course we can paint him as greedy. Because he chose Chicago over San Antonio in his previous contract. San Antonio was a contender... Chicago was not.

    Him opting out likely means he will get more years to his next contract. I doubt he loses any of the money.

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    Of course we can paint him as greedy. Because he chose Chicago over San Antonio in his previous contract. San Antonio was a contender... Chicago was not.

    Him opting out likely means he will get more years to his next contract. I doubt he loses any of the money.
    Lol - he took no other team meetings, relied on the good faith of the Spurs and made sure that if he had to take a pay cut for SA landing CP3 he could have. Just ridiculous to not acknowledge Manu leveraging PHI to get 3x more money from SA but point the finger at Pau.

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    Tim was the face of the franchise. Apples to oranges.

    Also, the deflection is unnecessary because I'm not trying to convince anyone that Tim or Parker made their decisions based on money. It's a red herring.
    And I never once said Manu only considered the money. I said even last year that money is playing a big role in his decisions as he's seemingly trying to recoup "lost" money from previous contracts and that appears to be important to him.

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    Lol - he took no other team meetings, relied on the good faith of the Spurs and made sure that if he had to take a pay cut for SA landing CP3 he could have. Just ridiculous to not acknowledge Manu leveraging PHI to get 3x more money from SA but point the finger at Pau.
    I can point the finger at Pau because he constantly loafs on effort on the court. Manu doesn't. I equate effort with professionalism.

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    I swear 140 is a legit candidate for Rookie Poster of the Year.

    The guy is always on the correct side of takes.

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    I can point the finger at Pau because he constantly loafs on effort on the court. Manu doesn't. I equate effort with professionalism.
    What does that at all have to do with what you said? Has nothing to do with money.

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    This is false btw, Parker has never been paid CBA max. Neither has Manu.
    That's actually not false. Tony has always signed extensions for the max allowed under the CBA. That doesn't mean a max UFA contract, but the max money he could get with an extension.

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    TP's most recent extension was a 3 year max, for instance

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    It depends on what you mean. Manu and Tony both got max extensions in their careers. Tony's current deal was a max when he signed it, and Manu's deal in 2010 was the same. They have not gotten the free-agent max, but they have taken the most they could.

    Nono is very wrong about his assessment of Parker, though. Tony's extension in 2011 actually saw a drop in his base salary. Dude was making several million less in his prime than he could have on a max extension.
    IIRC, all the extensions Tony signed were for the max extension money he could get under the CBA. That's why I said he's the only one of the big 3 that didn't give a discount. Manu and Tim did (signed extensions for less than the max extension allowed under the CBA)

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    Why do you think Hanga waited so long to take his offer in Europe? Are you really saying (before I do work to appease you) that you didn't see any of the articles with regards to the Hanga situation and Manu? Really?
    I can't speak for Hanga, neither can you. The Spurs certainly had the money to pay him if he wanted to come over. He signed somewhere else, that's all we know.

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    I can't speak for Hanga, neither can you. The Spurs certainly had the money to pay him if he wanted to come over. He signed somewhere else, that's all we know.
    I'm not speaking for Hanga . Multiple reports stated exactly what I said.

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    Also, I dont know why Nono is painting me as a Manu hater. I love Manu and always have. I'm not APO and not trying to be a Manu hater.
    I don't think you're a Manu hater, you're just pushing really hard this trolling narrative that Manu was going for the money and never gave the team discounts, when both are patently false, as I've already pointed out.

    It's really amateur stuff, tbh...

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    I'm not speaking for Hanga . Multiple reports stated exactly what I said.
    Do you have any quotes from Hanga on the matter, on those 'reports'?

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    I don't think you're a Manu hater, you're just pushing really hard this trolling narrative that Manu was going for the money and never gave the team discounts, when both are patently false, as I've already pointed out.

    It's really amateur stuff, tbh...
    What? This is where you getting defensive is crazy. I literally said in nearly every post that Manu is taking money because he took discounts before. WTF?

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    Do you have any quotes from Hanga on the matter, on those 'reports'?
    So if Woj reports things and they happen, that doesn't matter because the player isn't on the record?

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    So if Woj reports things and they happen, that doesn't matter because the player isn't on the record?
    What did Woj report on Hanga not coming over because of Manu coming back? That's the narrative you've been advancing...

    Hanga had 1000 reasons to come over or not. Money, playing time, role... you're saying it's because of Manu delaying his decision, I don't see any evidence of that. If you have it, link it, the burden of proof is on you...

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    What did Woj report on Hanga not coming over because of Manu coming back? That's the narrative you've been advancing...

    Hanga had 1000 reasons to come over or not. Money, playing time, role... you're saying it's because of Manu delaying his decision, I don't see any evidence of that. If you have it, link it, the burden of proof is on you...
    relying on MSM

    connect the dots bro...

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    What? This is where you getting defensive is crazy. I literally said in nearly every post that Manu is taking money because he took discounts before. WTF?
    Dude, don't get mad I've ruined this schtick you've been working on over the summer. It's really weak anyways, you can thank me later, tbh...

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