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Sure there is. Condemn and progress, baby.
Unless you're building up and plan to have 5th story seating, there's not enough land to even support something the size of the Dome let alone a structure that will probably be double the size.
Sure there is. Condemn and progress, baby.
I don't understand this. This park and this convention center are more important than a National Football League franchise's stadium?
WTF?
I get it assholes, pulling my chain.
S.A. could always give Buddy Holly an apopletic orgasm and execute his I-37 tunneling/HemisFair expansion dream in conjunction with an Alamodome renovation.
Exactly. Plus it's not like the Convention Center couldn't be incorporated into the plan.
Man, that'd be an ideal scenario.
yeah, tunnel that damn thing. That's ing ideal.
You tunnel the downtown segment of 37 and then you could build a new stadium almost anywhere.
Mission, schmission. We're talking NFL football here! Imagine... Stadium San Jose Sponsored by Hooters.
Make it happen!
You know what would be so fitting in San Antonio? Put a ing sheet metal roof over Alamo Stadium.
The Rock House?
Marcus will be here all week. Don't forget to tip your waitress.
, if some people seriously thought the Freeman was a good enough home for the Spurs back in '99, anything's possible.
I'm sure some other group of braindead s thought a high school gym would have been good enough.
Doesn't mean I will generalize an entire city because of those ' s.
With Porky Dubya in the White House... now's the time to do it. Fabricate a feasibility study showing it will make a gazillion dollars.
Then the feds pick up, what 80 or 90% of the cost of burying the freeway? Now that would be impressively galling... get the feds to do it so that folks in Los Angeles subsidize getting S.A. a football team with their income tax dollars.*
Mayor Hardberger could have gotten his very own "Fleecing of America" segment on NBC Nightly News.
Too bad this didn't happen a year ago, or it could have been crammed into the Super-Bacon-Loaded Highway Bill.
*Or, not. In reality, it would be the Chinese financing the new stadium, and our grandchildren paying them back with interest. But, whatever.
Well, I will. How does the vote on a new arena for a team that just won a NBA le, with the team leaving town if it didn't get a new arena, with the team playing in a football stadium, with the team being the only pro team in town, with the current best arena venue having been built in 1876, with the arena paid for with a tourist tax plus a significant naming rights deal....get less than 60% in the affirmative?Doesn't mean I will generalize an entire city because of those ' s.
Puro San Antonio.
San Antonio will be very enthusiastic about a new stadium for an NFL team...
...as long as somebody else pays for it.
Otherwise, the mentality will be, "Why can't they play in the Alamodome?"
You know it, I know it, Bob Dole knows it, everybody knows it.
Well, I'm not convinced, but we can probably do a napkin analysis. Some of the numbers I plug in may be wrong but the basic math should be okay:
Let's say 70K seats and 100 luxury boxes x 10 games/year.
Let's say average ticket price is $50/game (under the league average), but there's the personal seat license ripoff which effectively doubles the price for season tickets.
Let's say parking averages out to $5/person, and concessions average $10/person
So:
price per season ticket = ($50 x 2) x 10 = $1000
parking/concession = $15 x 10 = $150
TOTAL = $1150/season ticket per year
Now let's say there's a minimum requirement of 40K season tickets to be sold, and that all season tickets in average are sold in pairs.
So we need to find, at minumum, 20K people who will pay $2300/year for NFL football. But more accurately we are trying to find 20K people willing to pay $11,500 for 5 years of NFL football.
We still need to sell the other seats. Let's require at a minumum that another 20K seats have to be sold per game at the same average prices (minus the seat license) as the season tickets. That means a total of 20K x 10 = 200K seats per year. Now let's say on average a fan who buys the walk-up seats will go to 2 games a year. So now we need to find 100K fans who are willing to pay ($50 +$15) x 2 = $130 per year.
Finally, let's us $70K as the yearly price of a luxury box (that's around the average cost of one at Lambeau Field). Let also say that at minimum, 80/100 of the boxes have to be sold.
So we need to find:
-20,000 people who can afford and are willing to pay $11.5K over 5 years
-100,000 people who can afford and are willing to pay $130 a year
-80 companies willing to spring $70K a year for boxes.
I'm sure that there must be statistical ways to estimate, based on median and distributional income ranges, what kind of population base and income you'll need to generate who will have that disposable income.
My hunch is that SA can provide the second group, but no way can it provide the first and third groups without help from Austin.
off loser.
You can generalize a city you seem to very envious of, sad really, all you want. Go look at any and all arena/stadium city votes and city what the outcome was. That was one of the biggest "yes" victories in sports arena/stadium voting ever.
Puro Jealously straight for the keyboard of poser McByrant. Who has nothing better to do than subtlety throw jabs at a city he doesn't like (although he does like their NBA team) and who is so envious of said city because most likely Benson isn't contacted to the city 70 miles northeast of here nor did he settle his team there.
Right?
Now I’ll wait for MB’s pseudo-sophisticated, not very clever retort.
In a city of almost 2 million with a rapidly growing population and very fast growing economy, I see no problem in finding:
This is the uncertainty.-20,000 people who can afford and are willing to pay $11.5K over 5 years
-100,000 people who can afford and are willing to pay $130 a year
-80 companies willing to spring $70K a year for boxes.
Whoa, this city love is making you stupid.
Actually I am quite fond of the city. Otherwise I wouldn't give a damn if it got a NFL franchise or not. But some things about it are too easy to poke fun at.
Once you lose the provincialism you'll get it.
In a one mile radius of the Quarry Market area, with a population of over 25,000, the avg. income is 94,000 dollars.
That's one example.
Now I'm not saying those people will buy tickets or that's 25,000 total that earn 94,000 (seeing how its population not family).
Edit: 94,000 not 97,000.
Last edited by TheWriter; 10-17-2005 at 03:57 PM.
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Regurgitated material from Poser boy.
Don't give any of that bullcrap.
You care so much about this issue and making San Antonio look bad because you have an alternate motive.
Writerguy,
What have you done in the last couple of months to help support the city's effort to keep the Saints? Have you gone to a game? Bought any apparel? Attended the Saints in SA pep rally? Or just pasted Express-News and SA Business Journal articles onto this website (and your N-Sync forum as well, but that's your business), and waited for the realists to show up and start arguments?
Just curious.
Of course, because San Antonio couldn't possibly have that kind of money.
Right?
You take your mission too seriously. "Alternative motive"? Have I been signed by Ray Nagin to make SA look bad?
WTF?
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