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    No attack, but I’m curious what you think about that First Amendment thingy?
    I don't agree with the way it is used in regard to education currently. I think that the dollars should follow the student. If the student/parent wants to go to a Catholic school, Jewish school, Japanese school, public school, charter school, magnet school, homeschool, virtual school, whatever school, they should be allowed to - that's the way it is in Canada. Almost all my cousins' kids go to Catholic schools K-8 and transfer to public schools (I guess because they have more resources?) in high school. And if you're an atheist and choose to go to a religious school, don't expect them to make accommodations for you - transfer to another school that doesn't offend you or don't go to that school in the first place.

    And I don't like how these neighborhoods force people to take down signs like a Jesus sign at Christmas - same thing applies to what devilish/satanic sign anybody wants to put up at Halloween - because someone finds a sign offensive. Seems to me that there are a bunch of snowflakes out there who are offended at everything.

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    It’s hard to imagine Pence getting whatever agenda he’d want to push considering the massive rebuke impeachment would be.
    Maybe he'll want to move the US Embassy to Jerusalem

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    And I don't like how these neighborhoods force people to take down signs like a Jesus sign at Christmas - same thing applies to what devilish/satanic sign anybody wants to put up at Halloween - because someone finds a sign offensive. Seems to me that there are a bunch of snowflakes out there who are offended at everything.
    Honestly, I hate that too.

    Mandatory HOA's are the devil.

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    It’s hard to imagine Pence getting whatever agenda he’d want to push considering the massive rebuke impeachment would be.
    I was thinking more along the lines of Trump going all 4 and quitting.
    Or Trump stroking out.
    But impeachment is certainly on the list of him going away, especially with an earthquake in 2018 changing congress.

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    Trump is already pandering to the evangelicals. What exactly would Pence do extra that Trump wouldn't?
    Trump is not pursuing any religious policy - only Gorsuch would be considered conservative.

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    Trump is not pursuing any religious policy - only Gorsuch would be considered conservative.
    Trump is pursuing evangelical votes for 2020 just like he did in 2016.

    Iow, he's been pushing evangelical agenda and will continue to do so.

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    I was thinking more along the lines of Trump going all 4 and quitting.
    Or Trump stroking out.
    But impeachment is certainly on the list of him going away, especially with an earthquake in 2018 changing congress.
    With his ego, do you really think Trump wouldn't run again? No way. His aim is to emblazon his name in the history books - to be spoken of like Ronald Reagan (by conservatives). Stroking out - I don't think so - still pretty far away from average age of death (men) and no alcohol/drugs - but he does eat a lot of junk.

    He hasn't done anything yet to be impeached with. And we shall see about 2018 changing congress.

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    Trump is pursuing evangelical votes for 2020 just like he did in 2016.

    Iow, he's been pushing evangelical agenda and will continue to do so.
    What evangelical agenda?

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    I disagree with you about Pence. If you see his hemming and hawing, when he endorsed Cruz at the same time sucking up to Trump (iirc Trump was leading) - iow, angling to be VP - hitching on to Trump's coat tails - it's the only way he'd ever get close to the WH (saying all this, I do admire the man personally regarding his policy to never be alone with another non-family female other than his wife [following in the steps of Billy Graham] - that's one lucky wife to be honored like that).
    honored.

    Is he alone with men a lot?

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    honored.

    Is he alone with men a lot?
    Yes - honored, it means he values his marriage and does everything he can to combat temptation and preserve his marriage.

    If all these Congressmen committing suicide or resigning had followed Pence's example, they wouldn't be dead or out of Congress now.

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    I don't agree with the way it is used in regard to education currently. I think that the dollars should follow the student. If the student/parent wants to go to a Catholic school, Jewish school, Japanese school, public school, charter school, magnet school, homeschool, virtual school, whatever school, they should be allowed to - that's the way it is in Canada. Almost all my cousins' kids go to Catholic schools K-8 and transfer to public schools (I guess because they have more resources?) in high school. And if you're an atheist and choose to go to a religious school, don't expect them to make accommodations for you - transfer to another school that doesn't offend you or don't go to that school in the first place.

    And I don't like how these neighborhoods force people to take down signs like a Jesus sign at Christmas - same thing applies to what devilish/satanic sign anybody wants to put up at Halloween - because someone finds a sign offensive. Seems to me that there are a bunch of snowflakes out there who are offended at everything.
    So your beef with the First Amendment is that it precludes States from funding voucher programs to send kids to religious schools? Because the Court had ruled in several cases over the past 20 or so years that there are fewer and fewer restrictions on the states’ ability to fund sectarian applications of religious schools.

    But my bigger question is: this is the extent of being an evangelical Christian? Religious school funding and “keeping Christ in Christmas?”

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    Yes - honored, it means he values his marriage and does everything he can to combat temptation and preserve his marriage.

    If all these Congressmen committing suicide or resigning had followed Pence's example, they wouldn't be dead or out of Congress now.
    Is he alone with men a lot?

    And how many Congressmen committed suicide?

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    With his ego, do you really think Trump wouldn't run again? No way. His aim is to emblazon his name in the history books - to be spoken of like Ronald Reagan (by conservatives). Stroking out - I don't think so - still pretty far away from average age of death (men) and no alcohol/drugs - but he does eat a lot of junk.

    He hasn't done anything yet to be impeached with. And we shall see about 2018 changing congress.
    His name is already in. The goal is accomplished. And he will quit initiatives.
    And like I said, IMO no way he wins again. I'd bet on it.
    The presidency is even rough on megalomaniacs. The golfing is probably really good for him. He needs to walk it though. The man abhors physical activity.

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    Yes - honored, it means he values his marriage and does everything he can to combat temptation and preserve his marriage.

    If all these Congressmen committing suicide or resigning had followed Pence's example, they wouldn't be dead or out of Congress now.
    Temptation?

    No, it's just safe so there are absolutely no she said he said situations. His wife trusts him?
    Why is it that women think men can't keep their Johnson in its seatbelt?
    Seriously all this crap is really getting out of hand.

    My penis does not rule, I am a mammal with a big cortex. I make decisions and they WILL NOT be forgiven if they are so blantantly wrong. Good gosh...

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    Temptation?

    No, it's just safe so there are absolutely no she said he said situations. His wife trusts him?
    Why is it that women think men can't keep their Johnson in its seatbelt?
    Seriously all this crap is really getting out of hand.

    My penis does not rule, I am a mammal with a big cortex. I make decisions and they WILL NOT be forgiven if they are so blantantly wrong. Good gosh...
    I totally believe he's not tempted by other women though.

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    I totally believe he's not tempted by other women though.


    ^

    Ok that's a rarity for me (Fkn emoticons) but that is really funny.
    Abdominal muscles are cramping...

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    So your beef with the First Amendment is that it precludes States from funding voucher programs to send kids to religious schools? Because the Court had ruled in several cases over the past 20 or so years that there are fewer and fewer restrictions on the states’ ability to fund sectarian applications of religious schools.

    But my bigger question is: this is the extent of being an evangelical Christian? Religious school funding and “keeping Christ in Christmas?”
    I don't have a "beef" with the First Amendment. You asked. My response was more in terms of education than religion. I think that the dollars should follow the kids - not for religious purposes but say for homeschooling (to buy books/supplies) or virtual school (to buy the computer). Don't think of it as a voucher program - just as a right to go to any school you choose. Or a religious school as equal to a public school as equal to any school whether at home or online for the purpose of a child's education.

    You asked a specific question with regard to the First Amendment - my answer was not meant to encompass what being an evangelical Christian is. A Christian simply means FAITH in Jesus Christ as one's Lord and Savior - having a personal relationship with God (which affects all areas of life - not just school/Christmas). For example, some posters have called me very nasty names - as a Christian, I have to forgive these names just as Christ forgives my sins.

    Many religious people don't send their kids to religious schools and some people who don't believe send their kids to religious school (someone on this board does - can't recall who) - maybe because of the quality of the school? And I probably would still have homeschooled (even if free Christian school was available) - that was more of a lifestyle that encompassed not just education but training, discipline, religion, family life, etc. Easter (Jesus dying and rising) is much more important to the Christian faith than Christmas (which is more a celebration/tradition).

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    Is he alone with men a lot?

    And how many Congressmen committed suicide?
    Two have committed suicide.

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    Two have committed suicide.
    Which ones? I think you're confusing state legislatures with Congress and child molesters with adulterers.

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    Temptation?

    No, it's just safe so there are absolutely no she said he said situations. His wife trusts him?
    Why is it that women think men can't keep their Johnson in its seatbelt?
    Seriously all this crap is really getting out of hand.

    My penis does not rule, I am a mammal with a big cortex. I make decisions and they WILL NOT be forgiven if they are so blantantly wrong. Good gosh...
    You never know what will happen - the flesh is weak and people make mistakes. Pence is wise to not put himself in that position.

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    What evangelical agenda?
    Why are you asking me to answer your question first?

    Pro-life agenda for starters.

    Now what agenda what Pence push that Trump won't?

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    Which ones? I think you're confusing state legislatures with Congress and child molesters with adulterers.
    Whatever. Suicide is too far for whatever sin has been committed.

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    Why are you asking me to answer your question first?

    Pro-life agenda for starters.

    Now what agenda what Pence push that Trump won't?
    Sorry, I must have missed your question. I think Pence would try to put limits (number of weeks) on abortion. Don't think that Trump would do that.

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    These are huge differences.
    Suicide is too far for whatever sin has been committed.
    What's the appropriate penance for sexually abusing multiple children?

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    What's the appropriate penance for sexually abusing multiple children?
    From a Christian perspective - all sins are equal, require true repentance and are covered by (shedding of) Christ's blood. From a criminal perspective, I guess whatever the judge says?

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