_so much for a Repeat_

[mouse]

I'm not Ducks and not a professional analyst, but Ownage is not usually defined in your mind but in actual playoff performance.

^

Sorry but being up 2 days straight drinking redbulls with vodka can do that.

Isn't Ducks a sports writer ?

[Rummpd]

Mouse as someone who does write professionally part-time your arguements continue to fail to realize the primary fact:

Regular season wins in the NBA mean almost nothing in the playoffs, except potentially to get that swing game for home court. Heck the Sixers beat the Spurs and LA both at one time 7 straight games 3 years ago or so, but could not have taken them in a playoff series. Spurs have dominated teams then lost in the playoffs or vice-versa at times, but surely they now have the inate confidence that comes from being not just champions but multiple champions, and are the only current franchise in the NBA that many observers rightly feel is on the verge of becoming a historic dynasty.

This is especially notable in Duncan's case of being a three time winner (or of a Horry with 6) that a team cannot just get by winning a few regular season games. Dallas, particularily Dirk has come up small time and time again in pressure situations; and no one they have added to their roster screams Clutch - unlike Horry or Van Exel as the Spurs in recent years or Manu who has two les and Olympic Gold. Surely you cannot rely on Kieth Van Horn or a Stackhouse to be clutch can you?

When and if the Mavs ever take a playoff series from the Spurs, or if they don't and go another route in the playoff and end up beating a team that has beat the Spurs in the playoffs then comeback and talk some smack.

If not prepare to take your usual fishing trip in the early summer - as there is only a very slim chance your team, for all its strengths (but still having critical weaknesses) goes farther than the Spurs.

[GoSpurs21]

mouse you enjoy the 30+ running up the score after the game is over bull from that little jackass AJ. Us Spurs fans will enjoy knocking out the mavs once again in the playoffs on our way to yet another championship

[phyzik]

look brah let's put it another way, Your son is in a Karate match and some kid from another town whips his ass everytime they meet, You think all the trophys your son has really matters? You don't think your son would like to one day beat that kid? or does your son wait outside and when the other boy comes out he starts a chant " I have more trophys I have more trophys" Is that the kind of kid that makes you proud?

you think that kid that has scoreboard on your son gives a rats ass how many trophys you have in your house? All he cares about is that when your kid steps on the mat that he kicks his creamy white wonderbread ass all over the ring

Maybe you should have taken your own advice before coming in here parading around like the Mavericks are the next best thing after just one game. YOUR acting like the "bad winner" kid who looses and looses then when he finally wins one he goes and rubs it in everyones face. You can have your regular season game trophy if you want.

[mouse]

mouse you enjoy the 30+ running up the score after the game is over bull from that little jackass AJ. Us Spurs fans will enjoy knocking out the mavs once again in the playoffs on our way to yet another championship

Bro are you sure your talking about the 2005-2006 Dallas Mavericks?

That is all so last season, I am talking about this season, and from what I, and 100 Million NBA fans know all ready, is that the Spurs are no match for Dallas this season, and it looks like it bothers many folks in this forum to admit that.

I had no idea how deep the Denile , and Homerizum that is so rampid in this forum, it's really beyond human comprehension.

ps: Google: Homerizum look what forum is on top of the


http://www.google.com/search?client=...=Google+Search


page.

[Rescueone]

The next Dallas game is 1 Dec at Dallas. It's still early in the season. One can not say the Mavs Own the Spurs after one game. There's still three games left to play this season, plus the post season if they meet up. This makes me laugh at the Mavs fans who think after beating the Spurs one game in NOVEMBER, now they are Paper Champions. Go ahead and gloat about being up 1-0. The Spurs will wait until it really matters to take your glory and send the Mavs back to the drawing board. When the Mavs beat the Spurs 8 straight including the playoffs then and only then will I fess up to the Spurs being owned by the Mavs. Since hasn't frozen over I don't see that happening any time soon. I guess in this theory, the Jazz own the Mavs since Dallas lost to them already. How did Dallas lose to Philly? All they have is AI. Explain to me how the Mavs are going to get out of the second round this year. That's what I want to know. Make it to the finals before you go braging about your team owning another after one victory!

[Mavs<Spurs]

Translation: I have no idea how the Spurs can beat the Dallas Mavericks so I will just babble on and hope it sounds good


Bro you have talent , you must be an attorney, after all it sounds good what your saying, but somehow watching the Dallas Mavericks beat the Spurs by 32 points is more than your silver tongue can do to make people forget that night, If the Spurs were to beat the Mavericks by 32 point I would give you props and move on, why can't you do the same?

The reason is? under all the those layers of BS you have wrapped around your bandwagon body? at the core of your lonely empty soul? lies the truth and the truth is your embarrassed to look in the mirror knowing at the end of the day, and after all the NBA dust settles ? the Dallas Mavericks still has scoreboard on your Manu flopping spurs, and that is something your high price attorney mouth can never change...................

Mouse, your entire argument is based upon one game, at your home arena, early in the season as the second of a back to back game after we had just beat the Cavs by a lot.

You can't make these kinds of leaps of logic. When you do, I'm gonna call you on it.

You are trying to move the goal posts. It's unreasonable and I'm going to point it out.

First, you are the one who started this thread and began with your contentions. They included the ones that I laid out above: (1) the Spurs probably won't make the playoffs (2) the Mavs are better than the Spurs and (3) the Mavs will advance beyond the Spurs.

If you come onto our website and are going to make these claims, then we have a right to expect compelling evidence to support these claims.

These claims are without foundation. They are based upon one single win.

The Mavs beating the Spurs at the beginning of the season in a single game at home in a back to back game after the Spurs won easily over the Cavs does not prove that the Mavs are better than the Spurs or can beat the Spurs on a regular basis.

The Bobcats beat the Pacers by 30 points the other night. Does this mean that you think that the Bobcats are better than the Pacers?

The Pistons beat us in game 4 by better than 30 points. However, we won the series.

What's more reasonable: to base a conclusion over a large, more representative sample of games or to base a conclusion upon a single game?

Clearly, it is more reasonable to base a conclusion over a broader sample of work.

If I wanted to take an accurate poll (for example Hillary Clinton vs Jeanine Pirro for NY senate), should I just ask a single person? Or should I ask a registered voter? Or should I ask a likely voter? Or should I ask a bunch of likely voters?

You are trying to stack the deck in your favor. It's transparent. Nobody who didn't have an axe to grind would approach this issue in the way that you have.

You say that we can't use evidence from the past 8 years because in the past. Yet, it apparently does not bother you that the game you are using is in the past also. All evidence is necessarily from the past by the very nature of the case. Or do you waver back and forth depending upon who is winning at a certain point? If the Hawks are beating the Mavs at a certain point in the game, do you really believe that the Hawks are the better team?

No, so clearly you and all people must use evidence from the past. It is considered special pleading when you make a rule in an argument (example you can't use evidence from the past) that other people must follow, but which you can ignore whenever it is an inconvenient rule for you.

It is considered hasty generalization when you take a single example and extrapolate wildly, outside of the conditions in which the Mavs won.



Furthermore, a reasonable person would find it makes sense to consider what the Spurs have done in the recent past to the extent that the Spurs this year are largely the same as they were last year and given the consistency of the excellence of this team.

The Lakers won 3 straight championships. Very impressive. However, one could say that it would be unreasonable to expect them to do as well last year, despite their previous success. The reason is obvious: Shaq was the best player for the Lakers and he was traded to the Heat. So, the Lakers were a substantially different team.

On the other hand, this is substantially the same team that won it all last year.

Undoubtedly, Tim Duncan has been the key player for the Spurs since he has been on the team. The Spurs hold great records against many teams that date back to the beginning of his tenure. His achievements bear this out.
Therefore, to evaluate the current Spurs team, it is appropriate to look at his entire body of work.

Furthermore, this is almost the identical same team which won it all last year.



Let's quickly summarize the points made so far: (1) this is the Spurs site (not the Mavs), (2) you are a troll bashing the Spurs and produce precious little evidence to do so (3) the burden of proof is upon you to make manifest the truthfulness of your assertions (4) the only so called evidence to back up your conclusion is a single game in relatively unique conditions (5) your logic is flawed (special pleading, hasty generalization) (6) you have tried to move the goal posts by defining what is acceptable evidence (7) It is reasonable for a person to evaluate this Spurs team based upon the previous eight years and especially upon the last 3 years since Tim Duncan is and has always been the focal point of the team since he arrived, the core group of players on the 2003 team are substantially the same and the team is virtually identical as the 2005 team which won the le.



As a result, if we are to compare the Mavs and the Spurs, we must compare their records and achievements over the last eight years. This is an argument that you cannot win.

Your positions defy common sense and are so artificially selective in choosing relevant evidence that what you are doing is nothing more than being a troll who ignorantly swings wildly at that thing high and above him which is greater than he will ever know.

Whether I am or am not a lawyer is irrelevant. This is common sense based upon an overwhelming amount of facts that are commonly known.

What is really getting old is trumpeting your win in the third game of the season in your home arena...

Who won the third game of the season last year between the Heat and the Grizzlies? Who remembers? Who cares? BTW, they didn't actually play each other then.

Your evidence:

one game
third game of the season
in Dallas
after Spurs played a back to back
after Spurs beat the Cavs badly

Our evidence

(1) This is substantially the same team as the 2003-2005 San Antonio Spurs
(2) This team has the same main player as the 1999 Spurs
(3) Therefore, it is relevant to consider evidence from the entire Tim Duncan era
(4) Tim Duncan is first team All NBA defense, has been every year in the league
(5) Tim Duncan is a member of the first team NBA All Star, has been every year
(6) Tim Duncan was the rookie of the year
(7) Tim Duncan won the regular season MVP twice, the only player in the league which that is true of
(8) Tim Duncan has won the Finals MVP 3 times which only Shaq, Michael and Magic have also done. Nobody else.
(9) In the Tim Duncan era, the Spurs have the highest winning percentage in any of the four major professional sports.
(10) The Spurs have won 3 championships, including last year
(11) The Spurs have 2 first team All NBA defense and Ginobili could make that team as well.
(12) The Spurs have been over the last eight years one of the best defensive teams in the league
(13) This same Spurs team, substantially as currently cons uted, held opponents to the fewest points last year (10 % of this year's season has been played- so, it is insufficient evidence, Pistons are not even near the top in defensive categories either at this point. However, only an idiot thinks that the Pistons and the Spurs have been displaced as the preeminent defensive teams in the league), lowest opp field goal % last year (substantially the same team and similar results over the last 8 years compels the admissibility of this evidence), 3 lowest opp field goal % (see parenthetical comments above)... Defense wins championships and this team is a great defensive team (see parenthetical comments above)
(14) A group of 20 sportswriters and journalists recently polled produced a consensus that Tim Duncan is the best power forward of all time
(15) Have the Mavs reached the WCF ever? When?
(16) Have the Mavs beaten the Spurs in the Tim Duncan era in the playoffs? When? What is their record?
(17) What is the record between the Mavs and the Spurs during the Tim Duncan era?
(18) Precisely how many les have the Mavs won?
(19) Who has a better record in the Tim Ducan era, the Spurs or the Mavs?
(20) I don't know of any well respected, objective, unbiased basketball analyst who believes any of your positions. Even if such people exist, they are decidedly in the minority.

Therefore, mouse, you are a rat in a trap.

Quit promoting the flat earth theory.

Stop using special pleading. Stop employing hasty generalization.

[SIZE=5]Stop trolling here. Go to the Mavs site if you want to be a Mavs homer and bash the Spurs. Be respectful. I don't come into your house and spit on your wife. So, don't keep throwing all of these lies around. Otherwise, I will ask Kori to post that video of you celebrating the Spurs championship. [/SIZE]

[SequSpur]

Mouse is a toolshed.

[Mavs<Spurs]

Mouse is a toolshed.

Mouse is a troll. He's rude, obnoxious and a jerk. He should stick to the Mavs site. From what Kori said about the video, it appears that he is a liar and a hypocrite too.

[Bloodline666]

Maybe I'll start taking Mouse's comments seriously...just MAYBE...
















































































WHEN THE MAVS FINALLY REACH THE NBA FINALS!

[mavsfan1000]

Mouse is a troll. He's rude, obnoxious and a jerk. He should stick to the Mavs site. From what Kori said about the video, it appears that he is a liar and a hypocrite too.

If you can't handle mouse's comments than stop posting to bring him back. You should stfu.

[Mavs<Spurs]

If you can't handle mouse's comments than stop posting to bring him back. You should stfu.

I don't go onto the Mavs forum and troll there. If I did, I would not be surprised if Mavs fans resented it and told me that they didn't appreciate it. Certainly, there would be nothing wrong, in that situation, if they said something about it.

This is a Spurs forum/discussion board. The solution is that Mouse stops trolling here. When he does troll here, then there is absolutely nothing wrong with me saying something about it.

Mouse began this by trolling. He is the person who is the cause of the problem. We are simply pointing out that he is an unwelcome troll.

What part of this don't you understand?

What somebody acts like a jerk, why do you get hostile when he is called on it?

[Mavs<Spurs]

If you can't handle mouse's comments than stop posting to bring him back. You should stfu.

Just wanted to let you know, idiot, that this is not your team's discussion board since apparently you can't figure that out!

[Mavs<Spurs]

Mouse is a rude and unwelcome troll.

Oh, did I hurt your feelings Mavsfan1000 by posting that Mouse is a rude and unwelcome troll on the Spurs discussion board/forum after Mouse trolls here instead of either sticking to the Mavs site or at least being reasonably polite at our discussion board?

Too bad. Deal with it. I'll do it whenever I want to. If you don't like it, go to the Mavs site.

Got it?

[Bloodline666]

I don't go onto the Mavs forum and troll there. If I did, I would not be surprised if Mavs fans resented it and told me that they didn't appreciate it. Certainly, there would be nothing wrong, in that situation, if they said something about it.

This is a Spurs forum/discussion board. The solution is that Mouse stops trolling here. When he does troll here, then there is absolutely nothing wrong with me saying something about it.

Mouse began this by trolling. He is the person who is the cause of the problem. We are simply pointing out that he is an unwelcome troll.

What part of this don't you understand?

What somebody acts like a jerk, why do you get hostile when he is called on it?

Well said! This is Spurs-fan turf! You don't see us going to a Phoenix Suns/Dallas Mavs/Detroit Pistons/Miami Heat message board and trolling over there, do you? No! Therefore, don't do it to here, and you'll be just fine.

[hussker]

Mouse=troll=several other names here=pissing you off which is the mouse's job=he is likely a spursfan=just has a life of bordom and wants to stir up the pot=who cares about justifying the Spurs...they do it well enough themselves.

GO SPURS GO!
Mouse needs a house...cya!

[leemajors]

give him some credit, he has way more than several names.

[mouse]

Ok let me get this straight. In order for a person who lives in San Antonio who in on the www, and wants to talk to other Spur fans, has to be a Spurs fan in order to talk to others? or to have the right to post at that site?

I had no idea, I never knew that was one of the rules when I signed up, I wish Kori or another moderator could have told me before I racked up 8,000 posts.

So if a laker fan who lives in San Antonio and goes to many GTGs , and knows many posters from Spurs Talk, still has no right to post at this site? how do they talk about match ups etc? Should they use their cell phone and have a Spurs fan post what they said? Or do we have to use the United States postal service and mail our thoughts to kori and she will paste them in here? I really would like to know how this web site works, before I continue any further, and I apologize for any rules I may have broken.

[SequSpur]

Mouse,

You just happen to be full of when it comes to the Spurs vs. Mavericks.

If this would happen on any other team fan forum, you probably wouldn't get away with your antics and most likely neither would I.

The Mavericks in comparison to the Spurs have never accomplished . Check the scoreboard. And yes........ past history counts.

Late.

[Suns Fan]

Does this mean I have to leave also?

[mugatu]

This is good mind numbing exercise as I have a presentation in one of my graduate classes in math that I am giving tomorrow.

How can you teach math? when you don't think losing by 32 points is a big deal? Is it cuz it's not a prime number?

what number would you consider an ass kicking?

[mouse]

So.... let me get this straight....

You want us to provide you with proof on how the Spurs will beat the Mavericks,

Is that to much to ask? after 8 pages you would think at least one Spur fan could show me proof.

when we point to the fact that Spurs have 3 championships

Brah! do you read my posts? I said I wanted to talk to Spur fans who don't resort to pulling out the "count the rings!!" card, It is starting to get old already,

AND the Dallas Mavericks are a repeat second round exit team, you say that isnt valid enough proof?

The Mavericks came back to beat the Rockets after being down to enter the second round, The Spurs back in 2000 or so lost in the first round to the Suns so I wouldn't be bringing up the past unless you bring up all the past.

So.... by your logic.... in a murder case, there is undeniable and undisputable proof the defendant killed someone a year ago, but since thats the past it is invalid?

new season, means new trial, sorry I didn't make the rules.

[Solid D]

Arguing with mouse is like Adam Sandler trying to have an in-depth conversation with "Ten Second Tom" of 50 First Dates.

[Solid D]

Arguing with mouse is like trying to get Rainman off the subject.

[Solid D]

Arguing with mouse is like arguing with that kid that always says, "I know you are but what am I?"