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    There's not much speculation in there outside of wondering about if Murray could've been an elite role-player had he focused on shooting. The entire thread is assuming Primo's going to the d-league to be a high-minute focal point. I guess you could argue me taking that assumption is speculation, but my guess is you also believe in that speculation.
    You speculated on how the assignment affect Primo and future draft choices.

    We don't even know how long his assignment will be. It's a lot of teeth gnashing at this point.

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    You speculated on how the assignment affect Primo and future draft choices.

    We don't even know how long his assignment will be. It's a lot of teeth gnashing at this point.
    I said, (paraphrased), "If Primo spends the year getting heavy minutes as the first option, there's a good chance he's going to be running around just like all the other young guys with an in-between game but not much of a team game, and when the Spurs (who've learned nothing given how they would have handled Primo) draft a new guard (though it could be any perimeter player) and assign him again, people will defend it the same way." So if Primo doesn't do that, it's fine, but then it would be more proof that the logic posters here are using to justify a long assignment didn't make sense. I'd love for the Spurs to come out and be like, "Yeah, Primo doesn't need to play in the d-league to develop". I don't know why you think I wouldn't want them to make my argument for me.

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    Like I said, a lot of speculation.

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    What I don't understand is why the Spurs seem to think that their players need to play heavy minutes as focal points to learn. Being the clear best player on a team has advantages and disadvantages. Primo will very likely not be the best player on the Spurs when/if he gets a regular role with them. So a lot of time he's going to spend isn't really going to be used and may never really end up being helpful. It's much harder to learn things like moving off the ball and the timing of catch-and-shoot jumpers if you're always dominating the ball, and I think that is evident in how the young Spurs have played.

    Funnily enough, one of the more noted Spurs development attributions, Danny Green, got most of his d-league burn with RGV where he wasn't asked to be the main ball-handler and got to play off Jeremy Lin instead. That allowed him to work on actual NBA skills. When he came to the Spurs, Pop tried to play Green at point, and that obviously didn't work. Danny had a lot of rudimentary skills like off-dribble pull-ups and slashes that never really became part of his game. If he'd spent a year focusing on those things rather than on refining what he did well into an NBA-level skill-set, then he'd've probably been out of the league a decade ago.

    In that same way, I think if Murray had focused on shooting threes early in his career, he'd be a highly coveted three-and-D player like Green or Covington who was also starting to break out a floor game that suggested a higher ceiling rather than a guard whose offensive impact doesn't match his eye-test skills. That's not all on the coaches, as I think Murray's temperament made him predisposed to this style of play, but given how the team has approached developing all of their other prospects, I don't think he had to try very hard to convince them to put him on a star development track in lieu of role-playing 101.

    I like Primo and think he has potential to be an offensive focal point. But I don't think he needs to train to be one now in order to get on the floor. He already seems to have an NBA body, an adequate BBIQ and skills that can make him useful on the floor. I think he could be a plus for the team right away, even though I am not one who considers him a clear star. My point is that even in fewer minutes, playing real games in a role he'll be playing with his actual teammates will do more to make Primo a contributor than would learning skills he's either going to have to shelve when he plays in real games or have them conflict with those of his teammates. Otherwise, there's a legit chance that next year, Josh is yet another guy running around the team without a sense of flow who makes flashy plays but gunks up the offense with poor spacing and awareness. And whichever guard the team drafts next year will be in the d-league while folks here defend it by saying that guard "needs to play heavy minutes as a ball-handler to grow and won't get those minutes with the big club".
    Danny Green never played for RGV. He played two games for Erie when he was with Cleveland, 13 with Reno after he was let go, and one for Austin, after the Spurs were interested.

    Danny Green was a second rounder, and a clear role player. You would probably develop them differently from a top 10 pick.

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    I thought Chinook and Chump were the same person.

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    I thought Chinook and Chump were the same person.
    lol, no. Chump would never mistake Gerald Green for his second cousin Danny…

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    silly spurstlakers

    it's a smart move to play Primo as the main ballhandler as much as possible in the G League. When the coaches feel he's learned all he can learn from G League and/or can contribute meaningful minutes to SAS, he'll move up and into the regular rotation.

    another move might be to put him in the regular rotation already in SAS, but as others have pointed out we have a lot of young guys who are playing for their next contract and need to eat


    relax and enjoy the tank

    i'll be watching college basketball more closely this season. (and the G League)

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    SpursTalk: We need to tank!
    Also SpursTalk: OMG,why are we sending our top 10 pick to the gleague!
    that's not even a contradiction. All tanking teams play their draft picks, that's why they lose

    While we're at it, why don't we send Vassell to the G-League as well so he can be the focal point of the offense and expand his offensive game?

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    I'm torn. Surely primo can't really be worst than Forbes, but also I hope Tre Jones gets some time to show he's the backup PG for this team. Primo has shown flashes, but also I don't expect him to be a big contributor this year. I don't think sending him to the D League is bad, in that if he's going to play there and not on the Spurs, then its worth sending him down. I don't think Primo is as NBA ready as a lot of people here do, and its obvious this team isn't starting the year trying to tank. Yeah I dont know, but I don't think its as big a deal as many here think it is. If the kid is good, he'll play. I don't think the team is sending down a player that would drastically change the outcome of current games.

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    We'll see if Primo kicks ass the G League and works his way back into SA Spurs

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    SpursTalk: We need to tank!
    Also SpursTalk: OMG,why are we sending our top 10 pick to the gleague!
    playing your top 10 pick in the big leagues is not an hetical to tanking

    in fact it probably helps. and is the perfect opportunity for the player to go through is growing pains. the team can afford to (and in fact prefers to) absorb losses

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    There's not much speculation in there outside of wondering about if Murray could've been an elite role-player had he focused on shooting and that Green not focusing on becoming an elite shooter would've jeopardized his already long odds to make it in the league. I don't see those are huge leaps, especially the second one. The entire thread is assuming Primo's going to the d-league to be a high-minute focal point. I guess you could argue me taking that assumption is speculation, but my guess is you also believe in that speculation.
    I don't even think that. I think Pop is set in his ways and he likes to humble folks etc, he's got his way of getting out that ego out of the way so he can have the players do whatever.

    I agreed with a lot of your prior post particularly on how Primo already has a few NBA skills he can already play in some role. I do believe in players becoming better by being challenged with better compe ion and working on weaknesses in the off-season. Over time you place more in their plates if you think they can handle it. Also there are guys that need the gleague, they come in entirely too raw, with just size and athletic ability but need to add things, even if that's just muscle and strength for the position as the case may be.

    For Primo I think he could definitely be playing already, even if he still needs to get better at other things besides the ones he can already do. Specially if the Spurs aren't a good team, what are they doing sending lottery picks to the Gleague to get over themselves? It doesn't make sense. Should they be playing Forbes who doesn't really make them compe ive?

    I also think they'll need to trade one of the guards they have developed (not Primo, it should be White, he's older and has reached his ceiling in this team). You have talked some about how the Spurs need to keep fishing for talent and cycling through prospects. I don't think Bryn has a role in this team because all their recent draft picks are wings (and Bryn is an uber-undersized wing, no one will say he's a PG.)
    Last edited by SAGirl; 10-29-2021 at 02:09 PM. Reason: Grammar autocorrect nightmare

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    We should just trade Forbes for Kevin Durant, and Landale for prime Duncan, and KBD for mid-90s Michael Jordan. That would solve all our problems. Why is our front office too stupid to figure this out?

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    How the he'll did Michael Jordan get good without going to the G League! Yes, I'm not saying Primo is MJ level but I'm just pointing out how silly it is that some people here are acting like a rookie player has to go to the G league to get better.

    Again, its silly to send a10th pick there unless maybe they have shown that they are a disaster which Primo has shown to be the opposite thus far.

    If they were skilled enough to make the lottery, then they are skilled enough to be in the NBA. Unless they are admitting that Primo is not a lottery level talent...

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    How the he'll did Michael Jordan get good without going to the G League! Yes, I'm not saying Primo is MJ level but I'm just pointing out how silly it is that some people here are acting like a rookie player has to go to the G league to get better.

    Again, its silly to send a10th pick there unless maybe they have shown that they are a disaster which Primo has shown to be the opposite thus far.

    If they were skilled enough to make the lottery, then they are skilled enough to be in the NBA. Unless they are admitting that Primo is not a lottery level talent...
    it also helps to have played for three seasons under dean smith.

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    How the he'll did Michael Jordan get good without going to the G League! Yes, I'm not saying Primo is MJ level but I'm just pointing out how silly it is that some people here are acting like a rookie player has to go to the G league to get better.

    Again, its silly to send a10th pick there unless maybe they have shown that they are a disaster which Primo has shown to be the opposite thus far.

    If they were skilled enough to make the lottery, then they are skilled enough to be in the NBA. Unless they are admitting that Primo is not a lottery level talent...
    The Spurs have one of the best PD programs in the NBA over the last 10-15 years.

    The Spurs have sent every first round pick, and some seconds since CoJo to the gleague, except Kawhi (defensive savant) and Vassell (no season, just a Gubble).

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    it also helps to have played for three seasons under dean smith.
    KG didn't. He was drafted out of high school and thrown into the fire as a franchise player. Laettnar's garbage ass had to be traded because he couldn't accept that a kid fresh out of high school was better than him lol. KG struggled a bit in his first season and the next year he was an all star. What if Kobe was drafted to Popovich. does he become an all time great? Or do they clash, he spends most of his time in SA on the bench before he's traded and out of the league by the age of 25?

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    that's not even a contradiction. All tanking teams play their draft picks, that's why they lose

    While we're at it, why don't we send Vassell to the G-League as well so he can be the focal point of the offense and expand his offensive game?
    I still don't know what we'd tank for. Tanking to get an 8-10 pick that popovich won't play for 2 years?

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    I still don't know what we'd tank for. Tanking to get an 8-10 pick that popovich won't play for 2 years?
    Who says we tank? The last two year’s roster were just not good

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    How the he'll did Michael Jordan get good without going to the G League! Yes, I'm not saying Primo is MJ level but I'm just pointing out how silly it is that some people here are acting like a rookie player has to go to the G league to get better.

    Again, its silly to send a10th pick there unless maybe they have shown that they are a disaster which Primo has shown to be the opposite thus far.

    If they were skilled enough to make the lottery, then they are skilled enough to be in the NBA. Unless they are admitting that Primo is not a lottery level talent...
    Jordan was 22. ...

    Ppayers enter the league much earlier now. It's one of the reasons the G league is there. With so much variance in age drafted, its great to have a place to develop players outside of the world's best players.

    It allows teams to develop them in their own "college" program. It's not a detriment as many make it out to be. It's the reason we see greater success rates from draft picks. It's not a coincidence one of the best draft track records belongs to an organization that heavily uses the G League. They develop NBA players.

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    Meanwhile Grizzlies playing Ziaire Williams solid minutes off their bench and I cannot say he came in readier to play than Primo.Shaky jumper and so thin that a solid 2 years in the Gleague would have been Pop's prescription had he been drafted by the Spurs.

    Hopefully this Gleague assignment ends as soon as Pop has gotten through to him to get over himself and all that humble pie he likes to start rooks with. Does anyone venture a guess at how long is this assignment?
    LOL can you imagine this board's reaction if the Spurs were playing Primo and he was shooting under 30%, with godawful advanced stats to boot? 90% of the threads on the first page would be about him being a bust.

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    Meanwhile Grizzlies playing Ziaire Williams solid minutes off their bench and I cannot say he came in readier to play than Primo.Shaky jumper and so thin that a solid 2 years in the Gleague would have been Pop's prescription had he been drafted by the Spurs.

    Hopefully this Gleague assignment ends as soon as Pop has gotten through to him to get over himself and all that humble pie he likes to start rooks with. Does anyone venture a guess at how long is this assignment?
    The first part of the gleague is structured like the Gubble, minus the lockdown. It’s a round robin of all 29 teams divided into groups, everyone playing 14 games, with a single elimination tournament at the end. The second part is a typical 36 game gleague season. Primo, as a 15 man roster player, is not allowed to play the games that fall within the NBA All Star break, so knock off 2 or 3 games from the 36. Pop has also been known to call up assignees for part or all of the RRT.

    So, the gleague could be as many as 54 games,if they make and win the tournament. Subtract the games he won’t be available for, and I’d put his assignment at 45-50 games, with a return at the end of the gleague season.

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    LOL can you imagine this board's reaction if the Spurs were playing Primo and he was shooting under 30%, with godawful advanced stats to boot? 90% of the threads on the first page would be about him being a bust.
    kinda like Jalen Green the other night: 3-16 fga. 0-8 on 3’s

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    Speaking of Jalen, the rockets board sounds exactly like this one

    topic was led, “a disastrous summer for Stone (their gm)”


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    Wall might be worth a sniff but the money is basically insurmountable.

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