Trade Poeltl and J-Rich already

[JPB]

Def don't believe Poetl brings you home a top 10 pick, not to mention the infamous Charlotte 13 & 15 from the last draft..

[CGD]

At this point I don’t see Jak garnering more than a top 10 protected first and filler which I think we should jump at but PATFO wouldn’t.

I doubt there is a market for JRich beyond what we got for Thad. We might be able to package him and our own second to move into the first round.

That 20mm in cap is likely going unused.

It’s early yet. At this point it’s all going to the deadline, but I see some opportunities:

— Knicks recent fortunes may have them talking themselves into make a trade to upgrade their shooting. Something like Fournier’s dead money and one of their many 2023 FRPs for JRich seems fair for both.

— Lakers peddling that Nunn/Beverly package ($18m in expiring money). That could be a fit for JRich and Doug for a protected FRP.

— unclear what new ownership with do in PHX, but we’re poised to be facilitators if they’re looking to upgrade the Crowder position with someone like Jollins.

— teams like Philly and Milwaukee are slightly over the tax and may be looking to do small “clean up” deals at the deadline to get under. Philly is interesting bc they own CHA’s SRP this year.

[CGD]

Def don't believe Poetl brings you home a top 10 pick, not to mention the infamous Charlotte 13 & 15 from the last draft..

At this point they should work to resign him if there is a more the 50% chance he stays. If he has already said he’s gone this summer, then work on a list of teams he’d re-sign with (gsw, raptors?) and see what the market is.

[KingKev]

At this point they should work to resign him if there is a more the 50% chance he stays. If he has already said he’s gone this summer, then work on a list of teams he’d re-sign with (gsw, raptors?) and see what the market is.

The problem with signing him to a long term deal at market rate is his trade value will be little at that point. I like Jak at his current rate but locking him up at market value during this rebuild is questionable. Especially when Keldon’s deal is about to kick in and Vassell likely to get more.

Given he is likely to command >MLE type money (I see him in the 4yrs 60-70mm range) he could be a valuable sign and trade chip as few good teams will have >MLE to offer him this summer.

[CGD]

The problem with signing him to a long term deal at market rate is his trade value will be little at that point. I like Jak at his current rate but locking him up at market value during this rebuild is questionable. Especially when Keldon’s deal is about to kick in and Vassell likely to get more.

Given he is likely to command >MLE type money (I see him in the 4yrs 60-70mm range) he could be a valuable sign and trade chip as few good teams will have >MLE to offer him this summer.

I hear you and also think we’re looking at 65/4 range. Still think he’s been worth it, and perhaps by then we’ll also have more information about the team’s draft fortunes (basically did we get Wemby or not).

I do wonder if he’d be amenable to the Keldon deal— big figure upfront then declining — with the idea of helping trade value later. Cap will also e again soon so that could make him look like an even bigger bargain.

[KingKev]

I hear you and also think we’re looking at 65/4 range. Still think he’s been worth it, and perhaps by then we’ll also have more information about the team’s draft fortunes (basically did we get Wemby or not).

I do wonder if he’d be amenable to the Keldon deal— big figure upfront then declining — with the idea of helping trade value later. Cap will also e again soon so that could make him look like an even bigger bargain.

Yeah I like the idea of structuring any deal front loaded given all the cap space we should have the next few years.

It’ll be a shame to lose him for nothing this offseason however and I see that as a 25%. But i’d rather lose him for nothing than overpay.

[rascal]

It’s early yet. At this point it’s all going to the deadline, but I see some opportunities:

— Knicks recent fortunes may have them talking themselves into make a trade to upgrade their shooting. Something like Fournier’s dead money and one of their many 2023 FRPs for JRich seems fair for both.

— Lakers peddling that Nunn/Beverly package ($18m in expiring money). That could be a fit for JRich and Doug for a protected FRP.

— unclear what new ownership with do in PHX, but we’re poised to be facilitators if they’re looking to upgrade the Crowder position with someone like Jollins.

— teams like Philly and Milwaukee are slightly over the tax and may be looking to do small “clean up” deals at the deadline to get under. Philly is interesting bc they own CHA’s SRP this year.

Get the idea of teams trading a first for J Rich out of your mind, not happening.

[Kevin]

No way is any team meeting the demands of two lightly protected firsts for Jak. Not mad about it. Just pay the man come summer. The Spurs don't have much else to do with their money. Might as well Pay Vassel too. The Spurs fate rests in the draft and lottery not free agency.

[Kevin]

Get the idea of teams trading a first for J Rich out of your mind, not happening.

They'll get a first for him but they'll have to include their second rounder ala Thad Young last deadline.

[Mr. Body]

They'll get a first for him but they'll have to include their second rounder ala Thad Young last deadline.

I'd do that. Didn't it net us Branham.

[CGD]

Get the idea of teams trading a first for J Rich out of your mind, not happening.

Its not a straight up first, as you can see from scenarios. Spurs still have to eat about 20M of Fourniers deal this and next year in the first, and in the second Spurs would also have to send Doug for Lakers trash to earn a protected first.

[CGD]

They'll get a first for him but they'll have to include their second rounder ala Thad Young last deadline.

It’s a good model.

[spurraider21]

At this point I don’t see Jak garnering more than a top 10 protected first and filler which I think we should jump at but PATFO wouldn’t.

I doubt there is a market for JRich beyond what we got for Thad. We might be able to package him and our own second to move into the first round.

That 20mm in cap is likely going unused.

id do that in a heartbeat and not think twice, but im not sure we're going to see contenders seek out these types of deals until closer to the deadline. and frankly, richardson hasnt been playing exceptionally well this year to the point where i can only hope such offers would be on the table

[KingKev]

id do that in a heartbeat and not think twice, but im not sure we're going to see contenders seek out these types of deals until closer to the deadline. and frankly, richardson hasnt been playing exceptionally well this year to the point where i can only hope such offers would be on the table

Yeah but Thad has done less in the last few years tbh so I think this scenario is in the table for a contender looking to shore up the bench going into the playoffs although I haven't looked at who has their 2023 FRP available to trade.

Part of the reason the Raps traded for Thad was it made sense from a cap perspective; they weren’t going to fall under the salary cap for the 2022 off-season so bringing in Thad meant they could use their 2022-23 MLE on someone else AND resign Thad using his bird rights while still staying under the lux tax.

Other teams may be looking to do the same knowing they are entering into the 2023 off-season with just the MLE and few other levers to pull to upgrade their roster. Acquiring JRich at the deadline means they can use his bird rights to retain him.

[JPB]

Yeah Poetl might get you a 20 something. Maybe a bit more with a SRP added. Nothing above the 20 area, IMHO. Let's say 15 big max if you're lucky.

[JPB]

Get the idea of teams trading a first for J Rich out of your mind, not happening.

Agreed. It's the kind of guy a contender would claim off waiwers but wouldn't give much for in a trade.

[DPG21920]

Yeah Poetl might get you a 20 something. Maybe a bit more with a SRP added. Nothing above the 20 area, IMHO. Let's say 15 big max if you're lucky.

Use that CHA pick to get a legit first and I think easily you can move Jakob. He will net one very solid first on his own - two is doubtful. But I don’t think SA trades him since he’s a good fit here.

[DPG21920]

Agreed. It's the kind of guy a contender would claim off waiwers but wouldn't give much for in a trade.

A multi-year 40%+ 3PT shooter who can handle ball in pinch and proven he is a good locker room guy? I think definitely there will be trade interest..

[spurraider21]

im not so eager/impatient to move the charlotte pick. that has a lot of time to convey.

[DPG21920]

im not so eager/impatient to move the charlotte pick. that has a lot of time to convey.

Protections are so bad that it’s very unlikely it conveys.

[spurraider21]

Protections are so bad that it’s very unlikely it conveys.

we can be certain it wont convey this year, but the protection does weaken a bit and 2 more seasons is a long time.

[DPG21920]

we can be certain it wont convey this year, but the protection does weaken a bit and 2 more seasons is a long time.

Charlotte's 1st round pick to San Antonio protected for selections 1-16 in 2023, 1-14 in 2024 and 1-14 in 2025; if Charlotte has not conveyed a 1st round pick to San Antonio by 2025, then Charlotte will instead convey its 2026 2nd round pick and 2027 2nd round draft pick to San Antonio (via New York to Atlanta) [Charlotte-New York, 7/30/2021; Atlanta-New York, 1/13/2022; Atlanta-San Antonio, 6/30/2022]

I mean, that is betting CHA is going to be a playoff team in next 2 years…not so sure I see that but not impossible

Point I think I’m trying to make is if someone values that CHA pick I would take that value in the form of a better for sure pick in a deal for Jakob or Richardson and lock it in - even if it means losing the extra pick (one pick 10 is worth more than 2 pick 15s for example IMO)

[slick'81]

Spurs arent getting for jrich. If wright can manage a first he deserves a raise

[jjspur]

Its hard to gauge what we can get for JRich because of his salary. You might get somewhat close in a lesser players salary + a second but that's probably it. hardly any teams have space to absorb salary for just a pick or picks. We might even have to include one of our picks to get rid of him.

If the team can't do anything, just keep him for the rest of the season. No sense in letting him go just to make another team better.

[spurraider21]

Its hard to gauge what we can get for JRich because of his salary. You might get somewhat close in a lesser players salary + a second but that's probably it. hardly any teams have space to absorb salary for just a pick or picks. We might even have to include one of our picks to get rid of him.

If the team can't do anything, just keep him for the rest of the season. No sense in letting him go just to make another team better.

richardson is expiring, so a team can unload salary they dont want as part of the deal. recall when we traded richard jefferson and a first for stephen jackson. it wasnt necessarily because stephen jackson was so much better than RJ that the swap warranted a first, it was that jackson and jefferson had similar salaries but jackson's deal expired one year sooner