Should Spurs make a run at Scoot?

[Dejounte]

Before he’s played one game, we need to “admit” he’s no good. Get your head out of your ing ass.

[Dejounte]

Basketball “know-it-all’s” who spend their whole day on a forum making a comment on every topic as possible as if people want your opinion on nearly ing everything. Jesus Christ.

[Kevin]

What would it take for the Spurs to convince the Raptors to trade Siakam for a bundle of assets rather than Scoot in a three team trade with Portland?

If I were the Spurs I'd offer Dev, the Poeltl first rounder back to the Rap, the Spurs first round pick in next years draft unprotected plus one of the unprotected Atlanta picks. Simons and his questionable contract go to the Spurs while the Raps shed about 24 million in payroll while also taking back Nasir Little and Keon Johnson from Portland as salary filler.

[exstatic]

What would it take for the Spurs to convince the Raptors to trade Siakam for a bundle of assets rather than Scoot in a three team trade with Portland?

If I were the Spurs I'd offer Dev, the Poeltl first rounder back to the Rap, the Spurs first round pick in next years draft unprotected plus one of the unprotected Atlanta picks. Simons and his questionable contract go to the Spurs while the Raps shed about 24 million in payroll while also taking back Nasir Little and Keon Johnson from Portland as salary filler.

There’s no way Anthony Simons is worth 1/4 of that haul.

[Kevin]

There’s no way Anthony Simons is worth 1/4 of that haul.

The Spurs get Scoot and Simons while the Blazers get Siakam.

[exstatic]

The Spurs get Scoot and Simons while the Blazers get Siakam.

You don’t trade unprotected picks for non All Stars, and certainly not for non proven, non #1 picks.

[spurraider21]

What would it take for the Spurs to convince the Raptors to trade Siakam for a bundle of assets rather than Scoot in a three team trade with Portland?

If I were the Spurs I'd offer Dev, the Poeltl first rounder back to the Rap, the Spurs first round pick in next years draft unprotected plus one of the unprotected Atlanta picks. Simons and his questionable contract go to the Spurs while the Raps shed about 24 million in payroll while also taking back Nasir Little and Keon Johnson from Portland as salary filler.

way too much

[Kevin]

You don’t trade unprotected picks for non All Stars, and certainly not for non proven, non #1 picks.

Well to be fair all picks are unproven so that also must be held against future unprotected picks too.

[Gagnrath]

Black is not really wired to score, his full games reminds me of Derrick, no shot creation in the middle of the floor, set shot 3 does not really have the most confidence in it. Uses angles rather than creativity at the rim. Does not really have a way to crack 15 points a game. Personality is same as him too, the nicest guy on the team. I don't see the value on this roster.

Derrick is weird as with the Celtics when you watch that team. He isn't their third best player brogdan is. He might not even be 4th. However he determines weather or not they win games. If he is able to get to his spots either he scores or he gets someone else a good shot. Jaylen Brown is the second best player he very rarely wins a game because he doesn't facilitate the rest of the offense. White basically is a guy who if you have two good big defensive guards you stop the Celtics. You also want to put the better defender on White not Brown, Jaylen is going to get his 15+ if he's only so so efficient at it you stop Celtics ball movement. If white is tied up and under 15 and 5 their offense withers. Derrick White is far more of an asset than most people and teams realize. He is the NBA equivalent of a Gerber multi tool at wing. Pick a wing role he will fill it to an above average level while being a good teammate. He isn't a number 1 for any team but what he does do is maximize the role players on the team and take a lot of pressure off of the star players. Derrick White is what you get if you put Tim Duncan's brain in Many Ginobli's body... Is it a star? No but its useful as 1-3 any time you don't have an all star handy.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

Derrick is weird as with the Celtics when you watch that team. He isn't their third best player brogdan is. He might not even be 4th. However he determines weather or not they win games. If he is able to get to his spots either he scores or he gets someone else a good shot. Jaylen Brown is the second best player he very rarely wins a game because he doesn't facilitate the rest of the offense. White basically is a guy who if you have two good big defensive guards you stop the Celtics. You also want to put the better defender on White not Brown, Jaylen is going to get his 15+ if he's only so so efficient at it you stop Celtics ball movement. If white is tied up and under 15 and 5 their offense withers. Derrick White is far more of an asset than most people and teams realize. He is the NBA equivalent of a Gerber multi tool at wing. Pick a wing role he will fill it to an above average level while being a good teammate. He isn't a number 1 for any team but what he does do is maximize the role players on the team and take a lot of pressure off of the star players. Derrick White is what you get if you put Tim Duncan's brain in Many Ginobli's body... Is it a star? No but its useful as 1-3 any time you don't have an all star handy.

[DAF86]

Derrick is weird as with the Celtics when you watch that team. He isn't their third best player brogdan is. He might not even be 4th. However he determines weather or not they win games. If he is able to get to his spots either he scores or he gets someone else a good shot. Jaylen Brown is the second best player he very rarely wins a game because he doesn't facilitate the rest of the offense. White basically is a guy who if you have two good big defensive guards you stop the Celtics. You also want to put the better defender on White not Brown, Jaylen is going to get his 15+ if he's only so so efficient at it you stop Celtics ball movement. If white is tied up and under 15 and 5 their offense withers. Derrick White is far more of an asset than most people and teams realize. He is the NBA equivalent of a Gerber multi tool at wing. Pick a wing role he will fill it to an above average level while being a good teammate. He isn't a number 1 for any team but what he does do is maximize the role players on the team and take a lot of pressure off of the star players. Derrick White is what you get if you put Tim Duncan's brain in Many Ginobli's body... Is it a star? No but its useful as 1-3 any time you don't have an all star handy.

Mmh, what?

How is any combination of Duncan and Ginobili not a star, when both on their own were?

[Mr. Body]

Derrick is weird as with the Celtics when you watch that team. He isn't their third best player brogdan is. He might not even be 4th. However he determines weather or not they win games. If he is able to get to his spots either he scores or he gets someone else a good shot. Jaylen Brown is the second best player he very rarely wins a game because he doesn't facilitate the rest of the offense. White basically is a guy who if you have two good big defensive guards you stop the Celtics. You also want to put the better defender on White not Brown, Jaylen is going to get his 15+ if he's only so so efficient at it you stop Celtics ball movement. If white is tied up and under 15 and 5 their offense withers. Derrick White is far more of an asset than most people and teams realize. He is the NBA equivalent of a Gerber multi tool at wing. Pick a wing role he will fill it to an above average level while being a good teammate. He isn't a number 1 for any team but what he does do is maximize the role players on the team and take a lot of pressure off of the star players. Derrick White is what you get if you put Tim Duncan's brain in Many Ginobli's body... Is it a star? No but its useful as 1-3 any time you don't have an all star handy.

Absolutely. Brad Stevens did the right thing going for White. The Celtics offense is poster child of boring, repe ive, one-note American AAU-style offenses nowadays. They just spam isolation attacks from Tatum and Brown, both of whom can be really hard to stop. But if you stop them, they have nothing else. Literally, after years in the league, nothing else.

White is able to circulate the ball, find other modes and areas of attack, actually move the defenses and make defenders take snap decisions about what to do. He was a genius pick-up. IMO, they needed to keep going in that direction, especially since Mazzula seems to be clueless in offensive sets. They should have gone harder after Poeltl, who is now an excellent high-post and roll-man facilitator.

They would do best to S&T Brown, who I believe is about to become the most expensive player in the league. No way is he worth that. Better to get pieces that work and fit better.

[DAF86]

I really like the idea of pairing the two suppossed generational talents of this draft, but I wouldn't give up the entire farm to make it happen, tbh. I think the absolute most I would give up is Keldon, the Hornets pick and an unprotected 1st. I don't know if that would be enough to get #2.

[buttsR4rebounding]

I really like the idea of pairing the two suppossed generational talents of this draft, but I wouldn't give up the entire farm to make it happen, tbh. I think the absolute most I would give up is Keldon, the Hornets pick and an unprotected 1st. I don't know if that would be enough to get #2.

We could sweeten it with 1-4 SRPs to grease the wheels as well.

[RC_Drunkford]

Derrick White is a championship level role player. One of those guys you need on a championship team

[JPB]

Nah, Keep Scoot away from Wemby. He'll be toxic and want to prove he's da man, before looking to leave for a big market to get his own team.

[spursparker9]

Alpha Scoot will be jealous of Wemby getting selected with No. 1 pick and angry at Spurs for not taking him at No. 1

Probably be toxic to the whole team.

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[rascal]

Absolutely. Brad Stevens did the right thing going for White. The Celtics offense is poster child of boring, repe ive, one-note American AAU-style offenses nowadays. They just spam isolation attacks from Tatum and Brown, both of whom can be really hard to stop. But if you stop them, they have nothing else. Literally, after years in the league, nothing else.

White is able to circulate the ball, find other modes and areas of attack, actually move the defenses and make defenders take snap decisions about what to do. He was a genius pick-up. IMO, they needed to keep going in that direction, especially since Mazzula seems to be clueless in offensive sets. They should have gone harder after Poeltl, who is now an excellent high-post and roll-man facilitator.

They would do best to S&T Brown, who I believe is about to become the most expensive player in the league. No way is he worth that. Better to get pieces that work and fit better.

Boston is going to come back from that 0-3 and go on to win the le.

[rascal]

The Spurs get Scoot and Simons while the Blazers get Siakam.

Only thing I would not want to trade is the Atlanta unprotected picks. Those are gold. Instead throw in the Char and Chi picks.

[rascal]

Derrick White is a championship level role player. One of those guys you need on a championship team

I see Andre Jackson as that type of role player that the Spurs should target with their 33 pick.

Second rounders are great for those type of players while first round lottery picks you swing for the highest all star potential upside type of players.

[Gagnrath]

Mmh, what?

How is any combination of Duncan and Ginobili not a star, when both on their own were?

Because you aren't taking the primary attributes that made them stars there. Duncan especially fairly early in his career was somewhat questioned because of his nice guy cerebral personality and methodical be good at all aspects especially small stuff approach. Ginobli wasn't a star because of his supreme physical attributes, he was a star because of his will to win and his ability to see holes openings and unconventional plays that usually worked.

[DAF86]

Because you aren't taking the primary attributes that made them stars there. Duncan especially fairly early in his career was somewhat questioned because of his nice guy cerebral personality and methodical be good at all aspects especially small stuff approach. Ginobli wasn't a star because of his supreme physical attributes, he was a star because of his will to win and his ability to see holes openings and unconventional plays that usually worked.

So you tried to compliment White by saying he has the combination of some of the worst qualities of other players? Weird, tbh.

[R. DeMurre]

White works with Boston because he's the ultimate glue guy/connector, and gives them a 5 man unit where there's no weak link to attack. When he was with the Spurs, opponents could always find a defensive weak link (and often more than one) like DeRozen, Mills, Forbes, etc... With those Spurs, there just wasn't enough to glue together or connect.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

Derrick is weird as with the Celtics when you watch that team. He isn't their third best player brogdan is. He might not even be 4th. However he determines weather or not they win games. If he is able to get to his spots either he scores or he gets someone else a good shot. Jaylen Brown is the second best player he very rarely wins a game because he doesn't facilitate the rest of the offense. White basically is a guy who if you have two good big defensive guards you stop the Celtics. You also want to put the better defender on White not Brown, Jaylen is going to get his 15+ if he's only so so efficient at it you stop Celtics ball movement. If white is tied up and under 15 and 5 their offense withers. Derrick White is far more of an asset than most people and teams realize. He is the NBA equivalent of a Gerber multi tool at wing. Pick a wing role he will fill it to an above average level while being a good teammate. He isn't a number 1 for any team but what he does do is maximize the role players on the team and take a lot of pressure off of the star players. Derrick White is what you get if you put Tim Duncan's brain in Many Ginobli's body... Is it a star? No but its useful as 1-3 any time you don't have an all star handy.

[Gagnrath]

So you tried to compliment White by saying he has the combination of some of the worst qualities of other players? Weird, tbh.

Wasn't a compliment but an observation, saying a person shrugs likes W. Bush isn't a compliment or a put down, it just lets people know that they raise both arms when they shrug in front of them. It lets others know about the attributes of a lesser known person by informing the listener that the subjects listed attribute is similar to the better known person's.