Jeremy Sochan Trolling Laker Fans

[heyheymymy]

Agreed Ice, once you write it all out those were some pretty big names to go through for the 07 ring. Makes it seem a bit more hefty I suppose. Melo was still very motived in 07 and I'd say Amare was pretty unstoppable.

Then you had guys like Camby going 10/18 on SA and Nene was a beast. That Suns team was a monster. The go-to guys were a handful but then you had guys like Kurt Thomas playing well and I remember being terrified when Barbosa was in the game. Was crazy how beat up Steve Nash got with Parker busting his nose and later in the series the infamous Horry hip check. Probably some sketchy ref in favor of the Spurs, I'd admit.

Yeah I thought Parker turned a corner around 06 or 07 and went scorching hot through 2013. I think Parker was on the cover of NBA Live 09 even. Wonder what could've been if full strength but losing to DAL so soon in Playoffs 09 was devastating.

Plus remember Parker was playing French ball in the summers off so there were stretches 09-13 where he was basically playing basketball full year round. I remember Spurs in the WCF 2013 just roasting the Memphis Grizzlies and Parker was playing so sensational, it was unbelievable. I think the wear and tear caught up with him finally by 2014-2015 ish but Tony Parker was on of a compe or and had the heart of a lion. People joke him on SpurTalk but I think everyone knows he was a huge part of the Spurs success.

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Probably some sketchy ref in favor of the Spurs, I'd admit.

Don't buy into that BS. Nash initiated the contact with Parker and dove into him, which is why there wasn't a call. And Horry basically set a hard screen, which was the safest way to commit an intentional foul. By rule, Nash committed an offensive foul by forcing his way between a stationary defender and the sideline. What hurt his team was his flop, which caused his angry, whiny teammates to overreact. The worst call in all that was suspending Horry, but the normies who don't understand the rules wouldn't have accepted anything else.

[heyheymymy]

Don't buy into that BS. Nash initiated the contact with Parker and dove into him, which is why there wasn't a call. And Horry basically set a hard screen, which was the safest way to commit an intentional foul. By rule, Nash committed an offensive foul by forcing his way between a stationary defender and the sideline. What hurt his team was his flop, which caused his angry, whiny teammates to overreact. The worst call in all that was suspending Horry, but the normies who don't understand the rules wouldn't have accepted anything else.

I agree with all that but I'm talking about Tim Donaghy. Although I remember watching this YouTube where they broke down his calls that series, I can't remember I guess maybe he did just one game, and it broke down neutral/Suns favorable and that is the last I left off at on this. But yeah gotta admit that is sketchy.

https://news4sanantonio.com/sports/s...-of-suns-owner

But when you wrote whiny Suns fans it brought me back lol I was so incensed at the audacity of PHX fans that series and that whole era. They were total brats whining lol.

[RC_Drunkford]

that 2007 Spurs team was so good

everybody knew back in the day that we'd sweep the Cavs in the finals. That was probably the easiest series in the entire playoffs for us that year

[exstatic]

I agree with all that but I'm talking about Tim Donaghy. Although I remember watching this YouTube where they broke down his calls that series, I can't remember I guess maybe he did just one game, and it broke down neutral/Suns favorable and that is the last I left off at on this. But yeah gotta admit that is sketchy.

https://news4sanantonio.com/sports/s...-of-suns-owner

But when you wrote whiny Suns fans it brought me back lol I was so incensed at the audacity of PHX fans that series and that whole era. They were total brats whining lol.

After the close out game 6, Tim was being interviewed just outside the tunnel, and one of them threw a water bottle at his head. He looked up, turned and trotted up the tunnel, abruptly ending the live interview. The bottle was visible flying through the frame.

[ambchang]

Yes he did. He guarded Shaq. He guarded Robinson. He guarded Olajuwon and Malone and Bird and Jordan.

Dude, I know you're salty because Chuck predicted the Spurs would stink, but smearing his resume just makes you look ignorant.

Barkley himself said he didn’t play D. The guy is honest and I love him but to paint him as some defensive stopper is just plain wrong

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Barkley himself said he didn’t play D. The guy is honest and I love him but to paint him as some defensive stopper is just plain wrong

Not sure I have seen Charles blowing his own horn. I watched his entire career. He was my favorite player before I was a Spurs fan. I can tell you he was a very good defender. He wasn't elite, but he played defense because he wanted to win.

He routinely defended the other team's best player. guys eight inches taller and 50 pounds heavier. Barkley and Mahorn on the Sixers were all about defense. Chuck checked Jordan until he went to the Suns, and Majerle only defended Jordan until crunch time.

Barkley was far and away the dirtiest player in the league. That wasn't because he didn't care about defense.

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Not sure I have seen Charles blowing his own horn. I watched his entire career. He was my favorite player before I was a Spurs fan. I can tell you he was a very good defender. He wasn't elite, but he played defense because he wanted to win.

He routinely defended the other team's best player. guys eight inches taller and 50 pounds heavier. Barkley and Mahorn on the Sixers were all about defense. Chuck checked Jordan until he went to the Suns, and Majerle only defended Jordan until crunch time.

Barkley was far and away the dirtiest player in the league. That wasn't because he didn't care about defense.

First Barkley plays defense, then he’s dirtier than Laimbeer and Dirty Rick Mahorn? I think you may need to put the crack pipe down.

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First Barkley plays defense, then he’s dirtier than Laimbeer and Dirty Rick Mahorn? I think you may need to put the crack pipe down.

Barkley played a number of years after Laimbeer and Mahorn retired.

[Pauleta14]

everybody knew back in the day that we'd sweep the Cavs in the finals. That was probably the easiest series in the entire playoffs for us that year

No we didn't. It's always obvious afterwards...

Cavs were tough and Lebron destroyed the super tough Pistons

Spurs made it "easy"

[RC_Drunkford]

No we didn't. It's always obvious afterwards...

Cavs were tough and Lebron destroyed the super tough Pistons

Spurs made it "easy"

well I knew the Cavs didn’t stand a chance

[Ice009]

well I knew the Cavs didn’t stand a chance

I thought we were going to win, but I paused for a tiny bit because wasn't that the season where Lebron went insane against the Pistons scoring something like 25 points in a row the series before? I wasn't sure how he was going to play in the finals, but the Spurs were able to play great team defense on him and do a better job than Detroit did (which further proved to me that the Spurs' defense (despite the numbers being similar to Detroit) was better than the Pistons' like I always thought back then).

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well I knew the Cavs didn’t stand a chance

No you didn't.

[ambchang]

Not sure I have seen Charles blowing his own horn. I watched his entire career. He was my favorite player before I was a Spurs fan. I can tell you he was a very good defender. He wasn't elite, but he played defense because he wanted to win.

He routinely defended the other team's best player. guys eight inches taller and 50 pounds heavier. Barkley and Mahorn on the Sixers were all about defense. Chuck checked Jordan until he went to the Suns, and Majerle only defended Jordan until crunch time.

Barkley was far and away the dirtiest player in the league. That wasn't because he didn't care about defense.

Barkley wasn't that dirty, he was rough on offence, but he admitted to not put much effort on defence. His quote was:
"Yeah Ernie, its called defence, I mean I wouldn't know anything about it personally but I've heard about it through the grapevine."

I also recalled back in his playing days with the Suns, someone asked him why did he not get that many fouls despite his rough style of play, and his response was that you pick up fouls by playing defence and he doesn't play much of it.

The Barkley teams have pretty much always been average to one of the worst defensive teams in the league during his Philly and Phoenix days. His DBPM has been average at best, and his DWS is no where close to defensive players like the Admiral, Hakeem, Eaton, or Pippen. Barkley CAN play good defence if he wanted to, but he saved most of his energy on offence, he is sort of like T-Mac in that regard.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Barkley wasn't that dirty, he was rough on offence, but he admitted to not put much effort on defence. His quote was:
"Yeah Ernie, its called defence, I mean I wouldn't know anything about it personally but I've heard about it through the grapevine."

I also recalled back in his playing days with the Suns, someone asked him why did he not get that many fouls despite his rough style of play, and his response was that you pick up fouls by playing defence and he doesn't play much of it.

The Barkley teams have pretty much always been average to one of the worst defensive teams in the league during his Philly and Phoenix days. His DBPM has been average at best, and his DWS is no where close to defensive players like the Admiral, Hakeem, Eaton, or Pippen. Barkley CAN play good defence if he wanted to, but he saved most of his energy on offence, he is sort of like T-Mac in that regard.

He wasn't a headhunter like Mahorn or Laimbeer. He would just start throwing hands when those guys would do it to him.

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Barkley wasn't that dirty, he was rough on offence, but he admitted to not put much effort on defence. His quote was:
"Yeah Ernie, its called defence, I mean I wouldn't know anything about it personally but I've heard about it through the grapevine."

I also recalled back in his playing days with the Suns, someone asked him why did he not get that many fouls despite his rough style of play, and his response was that you pick up fouls by playing defence and he doesn't play much of it.

The Barkley teams have pretty much always been average to one of the worst defensive teams in the league during his Philly and Phoenix days. His DBPM has been average at best, and his DWS is no where close to defensive players like the Admiral, Hakeem, Eaton, or Pippen. Barkley CAN play good defence if he wanted to, but he saved most of his energy on offence, he is sort of like T-Mac in that regard.

His defensive stats. Let's see here...

Hey, remember when Pippen would guard Robinson, Hakeem, and Shaq?

Me neither. Nor did ing T Mac.

Mystery solved.

Barkley played defense.

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His defensive stats. Let's see here...

Hey, remember when Pippen would guard Robinson, Hakeem, and Shaq?

Me neither. Nor did ing T Mac.

Mystery solved.

Barkley played defense.

Is this really the hill to die on? He’s even said himself that he didn’t play defense. Are you going to argue with him?

[RC_Drunkford]

No you didn't.

yeah right you know me since school I forgot

[ambchang]

His defensive stats. Let's see here...

Hey, remember when Pippen would guard Robinson, Hakeem, and Shaq?

Me neither. Nor did ing T Mac.

Mystery solved.

Barkley played defense.

What are you even trying to say? Do you even know what I said? I was comparing defensive stats of Barkley to elite defenders of his era and it’s not particularly close.

Barkley didn’t play much defence because he was often his entire teams offence. Especially during the later Philly years. Look up any stats and it’s clear that Barkley was a middling defensive player throughout his entire career. He even admitted to it himself. What else do you need?

Just look up “was Charles Barkley a good defender” on Google and you get:

https://www.basketballnetwork.net/ol...heir%20careers.

Even though Barkley was one of the best scorers and rebounders in the NBA, he was never known as a great defensive player, which was the most significant difference between him and Jordan in their careers

https://www.quora.com/Was-Charles-Ba...ood-on-defense

Not a great defender but he was at times a good defender especially during his time as a 76er. He was averaging a block and a steal or two every season for that team. But that wasn’t all. He got defense rebounds. His power kept his man from getting second chance points. He got into other player’s heads.

One thing he did well was get you into foul trouble. This is actually smart defense. Best example of this was the 1993 WCF game 6. While the officiating was suspect, Sir Charles got to Shawn Kemp. The Reign Man fouled out.

His defence was fouling people out. I mean. What the ?

https://www.sportsnostalgiahq.com/ch...ey-on-defense/

While Charles Barkley made the Hall of Fame for his skills on offense, he was a below average defender. He did not have a natural defensive position and struggled to guard both quicker and longer forwards. Only Sir Charles’ outstanding rebounding kept him from being a truly bad defensive player.

I wouldn’t go so far and said he struggled but most people who watched Barkley would never say he was one of the better defenders in the league. Most people who say he was a good defender generally points to his rebounding, which I would argue is not defence.

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Is this really the hill to die on? He’s even said himself that he didn’t play defense. Are you going to argue with him?

I saw him play. I watched him defending David Robinson. He was a 6’4" forward checking David. In the post. What coach assigns a guy who can't play defense to the other team's best player every night?

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I saw him play. I watched him defending David Robinson. He was a 6’4" forward checking David. In the post. What coach assigns a guy who can't play defense to the other team's best player every night?

Pop played Lonnie on the opponent's top player for a year, because he constantly missed rotations, and you don't rotate off of that guy. Just because you suck at team defense doesn't mean you're a great man defender.

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Pop played Lonnie on the opponent's top player for a year, because he constantly missed rotations, and you don't rotate off of that guy. Just because you suck at team defense doesn't mean you're a great man defender.

Okay.

[Pauleta14]

I thought we were going to win, but I paused for a tiny bit because wasn't that the season where Lebron went insane against the Pistons scoring something like 25 points in a row the series before? I wasn't sure how he was going to play in the finals, but the Spurs were able to play great team defense on him and do a better job than Detroit did (which further proved to me that the Spurs' defense (despite the numbers being similar to Detroit) was better than the Pistons' like I always thought back then).

Yes it was.

Add the fact that the NBA wanted/needed their darling to win his 1st le...

iircc Cavs had a few key players injured which helped a lot in back court and made TP unstoppable.

[lefty20]

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