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    I didn't mind the deal at the time, but it's obviously already been exposed as a disaster and the extension hasn't even kicked in yet.
    yup....the next plan should be getting rid of him and gettin another big who rebounds and helps
    wemby with rim protection

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    I definitely got fooled by his summer league performance and didn't anticipate he'd be this much of a turnstile. I should have known that for non-Jokic centers, defensive ability trumps offensive ability most of the time. I'd rather have Goga Bitadze or Hartenstein over this guy 10/10 times.

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    I definitely got fooled by his summer league performance and didn't anticipate he'd be this much of a turnstile. I should have known that for non-Jokic centers, defensive ability trumps offensive ability most of the time. I'd rather have Goga Bitadze or Hartenstein over this guy 10/10 times.
    What? Like all the top centers in the league today are great on offense. We just played one infact.

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    But yeah Zach Collins sucks, hope he figures out his shot because without it, he's not NBA material.

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    He does get dunked on and pushed around
    A lot

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    Well yeah.

    Brian Wright blew this so bad he has to be fired. This would automatically become the most desirable job in the NBA and every one would kill for a chance to gm a team with Wemby

    They wasted their caproom on getting second rounders ... Fine. It's conservative, but it's reasonable.

    Then he blew it by giving a big deal to Collins without ever seeing him play next to Wemby for real.

    $36 million in dead cap for 2 years thanks to Brian Wright

    Good for Zach for getting paid and playing the Spurs front office like Morris, like Carroll, just trash trash trash

    Collins isn't even a overpaid backup he's an overpaid 4th stringer

    Nobody is touching that deal and Wemby's cheap years are wasted
    At the agenda driven Wright nonsense. As if he's got full autonomy to do whatever he wants.

    The genius is still the POBO. He may not be doing the day to day leg work per se, but for the most part if he's not on board with something, it's not happening.

    I definitely got fooled by his summer league performance and didn't anticipate he'd be this much of a turnstile. I should have known that for non-Jokic centers, defensive ability trumps offensive ability most of the time. I'd rather have Goga Bitadze or Hartenstein over this guy 10/10 times.
    Yeah, they're stuck with him, but the names you mentioned would clearly be more ideal backups.
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    What? Like all the top centers in the league today are great on offense. We just played one infact.
    I think unless you have truly elite offensive talent, and especially when you're looking at a role playing center, you're better off giving away some offensive ability for more defensive ability. Guys like Embiid and Jokic are obviously elite offensive guys, but when you're looking at regular bigs, you'd definitely rather have someone like Bitadze or wendell Carter jr who gives you solid defensive but are limited offensively over a guy like vucevic who's the opposite. Even going up to very good bigs, I think there's a decent argument to be made that you'd prefer a guy like Bam to Sabonis.

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    i think that he needs a real pf by his side, we need sandro at least to play with him.

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    Yawn…… Bro is making 7 million this year, if he s the bed next year we trade a very traceable salary! Do better spurs talk.

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    Yawn…… Bro is making 7 million this year, if he s the bed next year we trade a very traceable salary! Do better spurs talk.
    he makes 17 in 24-25 and then 18 in 25-26

    its not an easily movable contract next year when he still has an additional fully guaranteed year behind it. if he continues to play like dog we'd have to attach a pick to dump him

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    he makes 17 in 24-25 and then 18 in 25-26

    its not an easily movable contract next year when he still has an additional fully guaranteed year behind it. if he continues to play like dog we'd have to attach a pick to dump him
    I guess we’ll just have to wait and see….. why fret when it impacts us zero percent right now? At worst it’s just helping us to meet salary floor requirements. Nothing burger here

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    I guess we’ll just have to wait and see….. why fret when it impacts us zero percent right now? At worst it’s just helping us to meet salary floor requirements. Nothing burger here
    when did people start using this as a metric?

    this applies to every contract every signed

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    Yawn…… Bro is making 7 million this year, if he s the bed next year we trade a very traceable salary! Do better spurs talk.

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    when did people start using this as a metric?

    this applies to every contract every signed
    Can someone he’s willing to listen to explain? I operate under the assumption people think before just blurting out a response.

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    that Atl Spur curse. First primo, now Collins. Maybe just hyping up trash players as more than what they are.

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    Can someone he’s willing to listen to explain? I operate under the assumption people think before just blurting out a response.
    they should pay me 8 million next year to help them get to the floor. at worst its salary that can be used in a trade

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    Read pages 1-3 though and see how happy most people were that he got resigned. Dude just laid an egg after getting that bag.

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    I was fine with it contingent on the notion that it'd be a few years before they primarily played Wembanyama at C, so I figured Collins' contract was fine commensurate to the role he'd play and he'd be about as good a fit alongside as another C could be in this era.

    Absent that, it made no sense (especially the timing) and it can't even be spun as good salary matching fodder because good luck finding a taker for an overpriced, injury prone backup C, who's the an hesis of what most are looking for out of that role.

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    Can I live? Get off my ! It’s my opinion Girl Scout….. you don’t have to agree but in the end you guys usually look crazy! And for those still not understanding, I nor do you know why primo couldn’t stop showing his …ok? His story isn’t finished yet…..yikes lol

    Btw, Zach will serve his purpose on way or another his salary is very manageable to move or keep ( check out the next two years payroll )

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    When he gets right you guys will crawl back under your rock; this is not a new movie to me.

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    Miss Cleo
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    Make bad takes
    You be you sweet summer child

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    Ms Cleo back Ms Cleoing

    “at least the Spurs spent some salary to get to the floor. They should pay the janitor 17 million. Brian keeps getting it right and Primo hasn‘t pulled out his all season.“

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    I seen posts about why Barlow was not getting in the game, he is on a two way contract and can only play a finite number of games for the big club so likely he was sent to the G-League for some time. That is why a lot of people think if we send a contract out this trade deadline and a roster spot opens up, he will be signed to the SA Spurs and can play as long as he is healthy.

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    I seen posts about why Barlow was not getting in the game, he is on a two way contract and can only play a finite number of games for the big club so likely he was sent to the G-League for some time. That is why a lot of people think if we send a contract out this trade deadline and a roster spot opens up, he will be signed to the SA Spurs and can play as long as he is healthy.
    i think they will get him onto an NBA deal during the season, and the team will either have to unload collins or make a choice between bassey/barlow for that last spot. unless the draft dictates that they take a center because the value is too good to pass up. best way barlow can secure a longer term spot on the roster is being able to coexist with another big. while we have seen the 3pt shot here and there im still not convinced that he's anything other than a 5
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    This dude is like the Bryn Forbes of centers. There is no one I want to see less on a basketball court, not even Branham

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