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    Posted in another thread, but thought it would be worth do enting here for posterity as well:

    Through 37 games:


    • The Spurs are 14 net points better with Wemby on the court than with him off (-5.0 ON / -9.3 OFF)
    • The Spurs are 14 net points worse with Vassell on the court than with him off (+3.9 OFF / -9.4 ON)



    You might be asking: "well, how about how these two guys interact with each other? Certainly there is some overlap there, right?" Great question, I'm glad you asked.



    • When Wemby is on the court without Vassell, the Spurs have a +10.2 NETRTG
    • When Wemby is on the court with Vassell, the Spurs have a -4.5 NETRTG, which is only slightly better than...
    • When Wemby and Vassell are both off the court, the Spurs have a -5.3 NETRTG, which is way better than...
    • When Vassell is on the court without Wemby, the Spurs have a -16.3 NETRTG
    That's brutal. I still think Devin is fine as the 3rd or (preferably) 4th best player on the team.That said, if another team values him then I'd be fine trading him as part of a deal to get a real #2.

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    Devin Vassell is like a more athletic Roger Mason Jr.

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    Posted in another thread, but thought it would be worth do enting here for posterity as well:

    Through 37 games:


    • The Spurs are 14 net points better with Wemby on the court than with him off (-5.0 ON / -9.3 OFF)
    • The Spurs are 14 net points worse with Vassell on the court than with him off (+3.9 OFF / -9.4 ON)



    You might be asking: "well, how about how these two guys interact with each other? Certainly there is some overlap there, right?" Great question, I'm glad you asked.



    • When Wemby is on the court without Vassell, the Spurs have a +10.2 NETRTG
    • When Wemby is on the court with Vassell, the Spurs have a -4.5 NETRTG, which is only slightly better than...
    • When Wemby and Vassell are both off the court, the Spurs have a -5.3 NETRTG, which is way better than...
    • When Vassell is on the court without Wemby, the Spurs have a -16.3 NETRTG
    Damn man those statistics are brutal for DV. I was getting blasted here not long ago for calling out Mr Quadruple Zero. Those stat's more than make up for the eye test, damn.

    Like I've said over and over again, he's got to go asap before other GM's fully catch on and realise how bad he is and his value tanks more. He's not good and even worse, he doesn't make anyone around him better. It's no surprise the darkest era in Spurs history coincides with him being on the team as a lead player

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    Not if he’s going to ball like this every time. That dunk on AD was nasty

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    Not if he’s going to ball like this every time. That dunk on AD was nasty
    This game is a 2nd option Devin, which is what we are all hoping him to consistently be. The problem is next game he's probably going to score 11 points.

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    This game is a 2nd option Devin, which is what we are all hoping him to consistently be. The problem is next game he's probably going to score 11 points.
    Devin was just just playing fearless tonight. It didn’t bother him getting blocked by AD but he just kept going in like he’s possessed. It helped also that 6 players scored double digits keeping the defenders honest

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    Not hard to figure why this stat is so negatively slanted against Dev if you watch the games.

    The spurs rotate Dev & Vic leading the bench unit on their own. Dev is becomes the number 1 while Vic sits. Then Vic come back to lead the bench unit as the 1st option starting the next q.

    This gets repeated in 2nd half

    This stat clearly shows Vic is the better option as number 1 & more of a presense to his team.Wow what a shock. Lol

    Why plus minus can be just as misleading not just for bench players but for starters. The less you play with Vic the harder it is for every spurs.

    Again on why watching games is best way to gauge.

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    Not hard to figure why this stat is so negatively slanted against Dev if you watch the games.

    The spurs rotate Dev & Vic leading the bench unit on their own. Dev is becomes the number 1 while Vic sits. Then Vic come back to lead the bench unit as the 1st option starting the next q.

    This gets repeated in 2nd half

    This stat clearly shows Vic is the better option as number 1 & more of a presense to his team.Wow what a shock. Lol

    Why plus minus can be just as misleading not just for bench players but for starters. The less you play with Vic the harder it is for every spurs.

    Again on why watching games is best way to gauge.
    admitting that wouldn't fit their agenda

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    Not hard to figure why this stat is so negatively slanted against Dev if you watch the games.

    The spurs rotate Dev & Vic leading the bench unit on their own. Dev is becomes the number 1 while Vic sits. Then Vic come back to lead the bench unit as the 1st option starting the next q.

    This gets repeated in 2nd half

    This stat clearly shows Vic is the better option as number 1 & more of a presense to his team.Wow what a shock. Lol

    Why plus minus can be just as misleading not just for bench players but for starters. The less you play with Vic the harder it is for every spurs.

    Again on why watching games is best way to gauge.
    Not acceptable for our highest paid player.Other teams have one or two or even three stars who steps up
    when the others is not having a good games.Vassell has yet to prove that.When wemby is having a bad game or
    average game.Vassell really hasint shown the ability to take over games and help wemby.We are not paying him to
    be a role player.

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    He is clearly bought in his reb and stocks are up. Once he starts hitting his shots again we are a much improved team. At 0 cost.

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    I'm fine with Devin Vassell. He isn't untouchable but spurs are not shopping him. So they shouldn't be. Devin stock is low right now as his shooting has dipped this year. Devin shooting has improved every year. This is a blimp. Look at Garland. The guy suffered a fractured jaw, nothing to do with his legs, wrists, fingers, toes, and he looked way off last season. Now he is back playing as an Allstar. Cavs didn't sell low on him, even through there were rumors that Mitc wanted him out.

    This is the thing, something is off with Devin, and it might last the season. But his trajectory has always gone up. But for this season, missing out on training camp, his performance has died down. Now you want to sell him?

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    He‘s coming off foot surgery. Gon take him a little, but his shooting should go up to his regular numbers

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    These advanced analytics Spurstalkers need to leave my Glorious Pookie Bear Devin Vassell alone!!!

    That poster on AD was nice though! Hopefully he can keep the showcase going.
    Last edited by KingKev; 01-14-2025 at 09:28 AM.

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    The most important thing for me is effort.
    His defensive and rebounding effort over the past few games has been better than we've ever seen.
    As long as he's 100% invested in every possession, I'm not worried about his scoring.

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    If this is the game people are hoping Vassell to be going forward I want no part of it. He was just jacking up shot after shot after shot. His defense looked spry tonight, but he does that about once every 6 games. Tonight was just his effort night. Now I need that every night.

    And people over here still trying to defend their man The dude is a role player who refuses to play like a role player. He wouldn’t even be a 4th option on a contender bc he refuses to play like a 4th option. Just bring him off the bench and turn him into the next Lou Williams.

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    If this is the game people are hoping Vassell to be going forward I want no part of it. He was just jacking up shot after shot after shot. His defense looked spry tonight, but he does that about once every 6 games. Tonight was just his effort night. Now I need that every night.

    And people over here still trying to defend their man The dude is a role player who refuses to play like a role player. He wouldn’t even be a 4th option on a contender bc he refuses to play like a 4th option. Just bring him off the bench and turn him into the next Lou Williams.
    The issue is that we have noone else to jack up shots. I'm also down on him, but last night we won because everyone did what they were supposed to do.
    Devin jacked up shots, Castle attacked the rim over and over again, Barnes hit his corner 3s and hunted for mismatches in mid-post, Wemby didn't chuck bad shots and if Champagnie was his usual self instead of random Lakers role-players having a great shooting night, it would've been a brutal beatdown.

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    The issue is that we have noone else to jack up shots. I'm also down on him, but last night we won because everyone did what they were supposed to do.
    Devin jacked up shots, Castle attacked the rim over and over again, Barnes hit his corner 3s and hunted for mismatches in mid-post, Wemby didn't chuck bad shots and if Champagnie was his usual self instead of random Lakers role-players having a great shooting night, it would've been a brutal beatdown.
    And this points to the issue of coaching. The players are ok players, we didn’t draft poorly, the players are who they are. You put jordan at centre and see how he does, you put duncan at point guard and see how that turns out. Even Superstars have strengths and weaknesses, and these are Role players with a capital R. Play them out of role or even out of position and results will be bad.

    The coaches are supposed to guide the players to do what they are supposed to do. You can’t let them run around and do this once every 10 games. If a player step out of line and do something stupid, pull him aside and remind him, do it again and scream at him, do it a third time and you yank him.

    Now, about development …..

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    I'm bullish.

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    Not hard to figure why this stat is so negatively slanted against Dev if you watch the games.

    The spurs rotate Dev & Vic leading the bench unit on their own. Dev is becomes the number 1 while Vic sits. Then Vic come back to lead the bench unit as the 1st option starting the next q.

    This gets repeated in 2nd half

    This stat clearly shows Vic is the better option as number 1 & more of a presense to his team.Wow what a shock. Lol

    Why plus minus can be just as misleading not just for bench players but for starters. The less you play with Vic the harder it is for every spurs.

    Again on why watching games is best way to gauge.
    If Vassell has it in him to be the player we need him to be, there shouldn't be such a drop off when he's out there without Wemby.

    Remember when Timmy and Tony would sub off and Manu would come in and actually have a better +/- than the starters? That's what a true top 2/3 option looks like. Granted, Manu was actually a franchise guy coming of the bench, but still, the point remains that there shouldn't be a 28 pts dropoff.

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    Devin is dead to me until he turns it around d

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    If this is the game people are hoping Vassell to be going forward I want no part of it. He was just jacking up shot after shot after shot. His defense looked spry tonight, but he does that about once every 6 games. Tonight was just his effort night. Now I need that every night.

    And people over here still trying to defend their man The dude is a role player who refuses to play like a role player. He wouldn’t even be a 4th option on a contender bc he refuses to play like a 4th option. Just bring him off the bench and turn him into the next Lou Williams.
    People still want to believe that it's just Devin being in a slump and not hitting his shots, when in reality it's what you've been preaching all along... the dude doesn't play winning basketball. Whether that is the coaches fault, or his fault can be argued over... but Vassell ISO Chuck Ball will never be successful because it's not winning basketball.

    If Devin could learn to be the 4th option, like you say, or even a 6th man bench scorer, he'd be fine.

    But instead let's all take a victory lap because Devin had his first good game in weeks.

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    4th man option or 6th man bench scorer is his calling. He is more Jordan Clarkson than Lou Will and especially J Crawford.

    He is a better, less athletic L Walker IV in my books.

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    This makes my day

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    I still think that the best version of Vassell is an intriguing player to pair with Wemby: good shooter and tough-shot maker, not a negative on defense, doesn't need the ball in his hands all the time but can do at least a little bit with it if he has to.
    Sure, we are not getting that version of Devin right now and we might never get it on a consistent enough basis. But trading him just for the sake of getting rid of him would not be a smart thing to do, either.

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    https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...trade-deadline

    BR has DV labelled as “untouchable”

    Not the brightest bunch over there but their rhetoric mirrors this community for the most part.

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