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    i thought JVG was a really good coach in his day. but he hasnt been a head coach for nearly 20 years and has been an assistant for 1 year since 2007. i also thought he was one of the better color commentators on TV

    but this would be kinda ridiculous imo
    Back in the day, the Knicks offense was like watching paint dry. The only thing I might hire him for is to be a defensive coordinator under a head coach, pretty much what he’s doing now.

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    Back in the day, the Knicks offense was like watching paint dry. The only thing I might hire him for is to be a defensive coordinator under a head coach, pretty much what he’s doing now.
    Yeah I read a pretty good piece on him recently. He's great as a teacher, but it seems like he works better now under a head coach instead of as one.

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    JVG was also the kind of "old school" bully who would pick favorites and go out if his way to humiliate players he didn't like and would refuse to play for whatever arbitrary reason.

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    With the MIL implosion, threats of Giannis leaving, and their short-to-mid term future looking like a pure dumpster fire, I wouldn't be surprised to see Doc get fired soon. MIL could pivot to some of the better names out there (e.g., Jenkins) in the hopes that will calm Giannis down. All of which is to say, time is running out to get clarity on this situation because names are soon going to be coming off the board.

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    I would not be surprised if G. ends up going to the Flakers

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    I would not be surprised if G. ends up going to the Flakers
    Are they going to pay for him with potato chips and dip? ‘Cause they have one tradeable FRP, and i suspect Milwaukee’s GM isn’t as re ed as Nico, and knows the value of what he has.

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    I would not be surprised if G. ends up going to the Flakers
    They don't have the assets. They only have 3 FRP's in the next 6 years ('26, '28, & '30) which would all be late First Rounders with Luka and Giannis there together. They don't have any young players that would be nearly good enough to form a trade package around. Austin Reeves is nice but he and 3 late FRP's ain't getting you Giannis, sorry. Bucks aren't just going to gift him to the Lakers either. Jon Horst ain't Nico Harrison.
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    If* Giannis were to be moved this offseason, the Rockets and Nets are prob the 2 early favorites. Both have a plethora of draft capital they could offer. Houston has some nice young players as well that they could build a trade package around (Jalen Green, Amen Thompson, Jabari Smith, Tari Eason, Cam Whitmore, Reed Shepard, etc).

    Warriors would likely try to go all-in on him, but they don't have the assets to get him either imo and not sure Giannis would want to hitch his wagon to soon-to-be 38 year-old Steph Curry, 36 year-old Draymond, and 36 year-old Jimmy Butler anyways.

    Miami would definitely go hard after him but don't think they have the assets either unless they trade Bam and/or Hero, in which case Giannis' supporting cast would take a huge hit there and that would suddenly become a lot less appealing.

    Every team will pick up the phone but ultimately there's only a handful of teams who have the assets and/or the compe ive situation to suit Giannis right now.

    My guess is Milwaukee goes all out to try and bring in better players this surround him this offseason, but considering they don't have many assets either, the writing does feel like it's on the wall for his tenure there. I think ultimately Giannis wants out of Milwaukee because their roster sucks (along with their HC) and they don't really have a way to improve it significantly right now, and that will seal his fate with that franchise. I think he eventually becomes a Rocket or a Net but we'll see.

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    If* Giannis were to be moved this offseason, the Rockets and Nets are prob the 2 early favorites. Both have a plethora of draft capital they could offer. Houston has some nice young players as well that they could build a trade package around (Jalen Green, Amen Thompson, Jabari Smith, Tari Eason, Cam Whitmore, Reed Shepard, etc).

    Warriors would likely try to go all-in on him, but they don't have the assets to get him either imo and not sure Giannis would want to hitch his wagon to soon-to-be 38 year-old Steph Curry, 36 year-old Draymond, and 36 year-old Jimmy Butler anyways.

    Miami would definitely go hard after him but don't think they have the assets either unless they trade Bam and/or Hero, in which case Giannis' supporting cast would take a huge hit there and that would suddenly become a lot less appealing.

    Every team will pick up the phone but ultimately there's only a handful of teams who have the assets and/or the compe ive situation to suit Giannis right now.

    My guess is Milwaukee goes all out to try and bring in better players this surround him this offseason, but considering they don't have many assets either, the writing does feel like it's on the wall for his tenure there. I think ultimately Giannis wants out of Milwaukee because their roster sucks (along with their HC) and they don't really have a way to improve it significantly right now, and that will seal his fate with that franchise. I think he eventually becomes a Rocket or a Net but we'll see.
    This is absolutely one of those rare times where the best thing for the player and the best thing for the team is totally aligned; he needs to be traded. Giannis gets to play for a compe ive and relevant team and the Bucks can get a nice combo of young talented players and 1st round picks to conduct a much needed proper rebuild with. Coming out of the Giannis era with 1 le to show for it might seem underwhelming but thats the NBA for ya...I bet the Thunder never would've thought the KD/Russ/Harden era would produce zero les.

    I think they understand that even with Dame in the fold they weren't close. I hope other teams took note as well that 2 "superstars" isn't a free pass to the Finals anymore, totally top heavy teams get exposed quickly now. I was excited by the Dame trade not because I thought he would do well, but because it would be interesting data going forward. Almost in Moneyball fashion, I felt like Jrue Holiday was a more impactful player in terms of wins added than Dame was (at this point in Dames career) and I feel kind of vindicated in thinking that. Jrue had just gotten torched by Jimmy Butler in the playoffs so his value cratered, and Dame has the rep of sexy offensive superstar which always carries weight in the league. Disaster trade in hindsight considering the capital the Bucks had to give up.

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    This is absolutely one of those rare times where the best thing for the player and the best thing for the team is totally aligned; he needs to be traded. Giannis gets to play for a compe ive and relevant team and the Bucks can get a nice combo of young talented players and 1st round picks to conduct a much needed proper rebuild with. Coming out of the Giannis era with 1 le to show for it might seem underwhelming but thats the NBA for ya...I bet the Thunder never would've thought the KD/Russ/Harden era would produce zero les.

    I think they understand that even with Dame in the fold they weren't close. I hope other teams took note as well that 2 "superstars" isn't a free pass to the Finals anymore, totally top heavy teams get exposed quickly now. I was excited by the Dame trade not because I thought he would do well, but because it would be interesting data going forward. Almost in Moneyball fashion, I felt like Jrue Holiday was a more impactful player in terms of wins added than Dame was (at this point in Dames career) and I feel kind of vindicated in thinking that. Jrue had just gotten torched by Jimmy Butler in the playoffs so his value cratered, and Dame has the rep of sexy offensive superstar which always carries weight in the league. Disaster trade in hindsight considering the capital the Bucks had to give up.
    That was one of the reasons the second apron was implemented, to end dynasties, when only a handful of teams could assemble a credible big three. The NBA was headed in the direction of MLB.

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    This is absolutely one of those rare times where the best thing for the player and the best thing for the team is totally aligned; he needs to be traded. Giannis gets to play for a compe ive and relevant team and the Bucks can get a nice combo of young talented players and 1st round picks to conduct a much needed proper rebuild with. Coming out of the Giannis era with 1 le to show for it might seem underwhelming but thats the NBA for ya...I bet the Thunder never would've thought the KD/Russ/Harden era would produce zero les.

    I think they understand that even with Dame in the fold they weren't close. I hope other teams took note as well that 2 "superstars" isn't a free pass to the Finals anymore, totally top heavy teams get exposed quickly now. I was excited by the Dame trade not because I thought he would do well, but because it would be interesting data going forward. Almost in Moneyball fashion, I felt like Jrue Holiday was a more impactful player in terms of wins added than Dame was (at this point in Dames career) and I feel kind of vindicated in thinking that. Jrue had just gotten torched by Jimmy Butler in the playoffs so his value cratered, and Dame has the rep of sexy offensive superstar which always carries weight in the league. Disaster trade in hindsight considering the capital the Bucks had to give up.
    This reminds me a lot of when KG got traded from MIN to BOS. It wasn't like either side really wanted to do it, but they both understood that it was in both their interests to do so.

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    This reminds me a lot of when KG got traded from MIN to BOS. It wasn't like either side really wanted to do it, but they both understood that it was in both their interests to do so.
    am i getting this wrong, or did KG initially block his trade to Boston, but after Ray Allen was shipped there, he relented and joined?

    edit: yep

    https://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id=2954127

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    any sports organization faced with this situation have plan A (Pop comes back) and start with plan B (Pop doesn't come back) as soon as the stroke happened, he could die the next day. To think they haven't started with plan B and are "waiting for Pop's decision" is asinine. Knowing the Spurs this is being executed by a small group in a total media blackout, at a minimum the all candidates have had virtual interviews but most likely the decision has been made, and the announcement will happen on a Friday night at the last moment possible when nobody is paying attention that Pop is being replaced by new head coach X. What is not asinine is to think coach X will be the wrong decision.
    Damn, was afternoon not night

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    I wonder how serious this incident ended up being and if it played much of a factor in Pop eventually being convinced to step down.

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