Spurs Showing Interest in Kristaps Porzingis (UPDATE: Porzingis Traded to the Atlanta Hawks)

[Atl Spur]

Don’t like this trade for either Atlanta or Brooklyn. Atlanta giving up a pick for an expiring, which also limits their options to trade up in the draft.. meh. Porzingis, if healthy, will make them better next season but it’s bad asset management as a whole.

Brooklyn I’ve no idea why they decided to use some of their cap space for this specific trade, netting them a 5th FRP in the same draft, which diminishes the value.

Boston obviously did fantastic talking the one team that could save them a ton of money into a trade. Nets should have demanded more value to play this game. This makes the Jrue trade more logical from Boston’s standpoint, not from Portland’s though, like at all.

Dumb FOs still exist. Spurs should call their friends in Sacramento and Chicago again.

Atlanta got off Mann’s contract while picking up a piece to help win this year ( filling a need of a big man ). Also, they have to extend Dyson Daniel’s after this year; so in my opinion this move was a win win for them!

[LeBowen]

Atlanta got off Mann’s contract while picking up a piece to help win this year ( filling a need of a big man ). Also, they have to extend Dyson Daniel’s after this year; so in my opinion this move was a win win for them!

I actually like what they're doing.
Daniels, JJ, Risacher as strong defenders around Trae, Porzingis will provide the needed spacing because Daniels and JJ aren't great shooters.
There's also Okongwu who can play together with Porzingis.
I wonder if they'll go for another big or a wing now that they have Porzingis.

Their new GM seems competent.

[RC_Drunkford]

Their new GM seems competent.

that's cause he worked for the Spurs prior

[John B]

Time would tell if KP’s health hold up. If so this would be a big missed opportunity to get a vet backup C for Wemby, who in times can also start since he can shoot the ball.

[poopbox]

I think maybe more accurately stated, PATFO will not make any player trade unless they are getting clear and obvious positive value. They definitely are not going to overpay in an acquisition (so it usually helps if there is no compe ion). While it means we may miss out on some players, I'd rather be the team that stays prudent with our assets versus the team who overpays on every deal.

I still think there is magic to be had by following the IND model of picking up undervalued guys who show promise. They got Nesmith as basically a throw-in on the Malcom Brodgon trade, and Obi Toppin for a couple of seconds. If you have a good pro scouting department (which, I'm not sure the Spurs do or not), you can really make a killing with these types of low key moves.

The problem with the "not overpay for acquisitions" approach is that in a market where most teams do, and I would say we are in that market because for most trades that happen the immediate response is that one team gave up to much or one team didn't get enough, is that when you are not willing to overpay you just don't get anything. That's not being prudent. That's going home empty handed.

The spurs did not get Kevin Durant. The thought process was not a big deal they can get somebody else. That somebody else could have been Kristaps. They didn't get him either. Your starting to run out of somebody else's. I am fairly sure that whatever other player they try to get, they will be outbid for that player as well.

Don't see how the Spurs can follow the Pacers model because that involves identifying a young player who has the potential to be a star and trading your best player for him (Sabonis for The Haliban) and giving up 3 first round picks and a good player for your second best player (3 first round picks and bruce brown for Siakam). The Spurs have not come remotely close to making those types of transactions . The Spurs role players are not on the same planet as the Pacers role players and the Spurs have repeatedly shown they are not willing to do the types of deals it takes aka overpay to acquire said players

But this should not be surprising, because the Spurs have long been an organization that doesn't hold anyone in a position of power accountable for anything. Pop was allowed to have consecutive losing seasons until his body literally failed him with complete impunity, he even received one of the largest contracts in the history of coaching / front office work for it. Brian Wright has been allowed to operate with complete impunity while never once producing a winning season, whiffing on at least half his draft picks if not more, never once signing a free agent who impacted winning all that much, and somehow repeatedly trading for or signing players who are literally out of the league after they leave San Antonio ( Osman ) or go from playing over 20 minutes a game with the the spurs to not even 2 minutes a game with another team (McDermott).

When you don't have to work hard at your job or be successful at your job or get results at your job to keep your job, then why would you do it?

[exstatic]

The problem with the "not overpay for acquisitions" approach is that in a market where most teams do, and I would say we are in that market because for most trades that happen the immediate response is that one team gave up to much or one team didn't get enough, is that when you are not willing to overpay you just don't get anything. That's not being prudent. That's going home empty handed.

The spurs did not get Kevin Durant. The thought process was not a big deal they can get somebody else. That somebody else could have been Kristaps. They didn't get him either. Your starting to run out of somebody else's. I am fairly sure that whatever other player they try to get, they will be outbid for that player as well.

Don't see how the Spurs can follow the Pacers model because that involves identifying a young player who has the potential to be a star and trading your best player for him (Sabonis for The Haliban) and giving up 3 first round picks and a good player for your second best player (3 first round picks and bruce brown for Siakam). The Spurs have not come remotely close to making those types of transactions . The Spurs role players are not on the same planet as the Pacers role players and the Spurs have repeatedly shown they are not willing to do the types of deals it takes aka overpay to acquire said players

But this should not be surprising, because the Spurs have long been an organization that doesn't hold anyone in a position of power accountable for anything. Pop was allowed to have consecutive losing seasons until his body literally failed him with complete impunity, he even received one of the largest contracts in the history of coaching / front office work for it. Brian Wright has been allowed to operate with complete impunity while never once producing a winning season, whiffing on at least half his draft picks if not more, never once signing a free agent who impacted winning all that much, and somehow repeatedly trading for or signing players who are literally out of the league after they leave San Antonio ( Osman ) or go from playing over 20 minutes a game with the the spurs to not even 2 minutes a game with another team (McDermott).

When you don't have to work hard at your job or be successful at your job or get results at your job to keep your job, then why would you do it?

Neither Finals team did overpays in building their teams, in fact quite the opposite.

Daryl Morey is the king of splash, of the sexy overpay acquisition. He’s never assembled a le roster. He’s always just off to the next big thing. You should probably fanboy him, since that seems to be your thing.

[LeBowen]

The problem with the "not overpay for acquisitions" approach is that in a market where most teams do, and I would say we are in that market because for most trades that happen the immediate response is that one team gave up to much or one team didn't get enough, is that when you are not willing to overpay you just don't get anything. That's not being prudent. That's going home empty handed.

And what was the least championship roster that overpaid for their key pieces?
2025? No.
2024? No, Stevens got Derrick, Jrue and Porzingis for next to nothing with two homegrown stars.
2023? No, three homegrown players and 1 FRP spent on Gordon.
2022? No. They got Wiggins for D'Lo and a protected FRP.
2021? Jrue was expensive.
2020? It's the Lakers.
2019? Homegrown core and nephew, Danny, Ibaka, Gasol for cheap considering their value.
2018?
2017? Homegrown and KD as a free agent.
2016? Love for Wiggins trade.
2015? No.
2014? No.
2013? No.
2012? No.
2011? No.
2010?
2009? No because West gifted them Pau.
2008? The last expensive team and they lasted for 1.5 season in their prime before KG got injured.

The spurs did not get Kevin Durant. The thought process was not a big deal they can get somebody else. That somebody else could have been Kristaps. They didn't get him either. Your starting to run out of somebody else's. I am fairly sure that whatever other player they try to get, they will be outbid for that player as well.

The did you want in KD's case? Rockets offer was so much better that we couldn't have done it without 2 FRPs. Every FRP except '29 one has another team attached to it. Do you want to trade a '29 pick for a player who's not going to be there at that point, with our franchise player's status still unknown after a potential career ending issue?
Porzingis hasn't played 60 games since 2017 and Hawks effectively gave up #22 pick for him. Does he look like the right backup for our potentially injury prone superstar?

Don't see how the Spurs can follow the Pacers model because that involves identifying a young player who has the potential to be a star and trading your best player for him (Sabonis for The Haliban) and giving up 3 first round picks and a good player for your second best player (3 first round picks and bruce brown for Siakam). The Spurs have not come remotely close to making those types of transactions .

Are you that re ed?
Why would we need a young player to trade for a star player when we already have our franchise cornerstone?
We ing gave up 3 FRPs for Fox, who was arguably more expensive than Siakam because all of those picks will be in 20s, while we enabled Chicago to get the #12 this year.

The Spurs role players are not on the same planet as the Pacers role players and the Spurs have repeatedly shown they are not willing to do the types of deals it takes aka overpay to acquire said players

And who exactly have the Pacers overpaid for?
Nembhard was #31 pick, Nesmith failed in Boston, Toppin failed in NY.
Mathurin was #6 pick.

But this should not be surprising, because the Spurs have long been an organization that doesn't hold anyone in a position of power accountable for anything. Pop was allowed to have consecutive losing seasons until his body literally failed him with complete impunity, he even received one of the largest contracts in the history of coaching / front office work for it.

We agree on this one.

Brian Wright has been allowed to operate with complete impunity while never once producing a winning season, whiffing on at least half his draft picks if not more

You can't ing say that Pop was allowed to do whatever he wanted and then blame it on Wright. Do you really think that Wright wanted to compete with garbage rosters? Any competent GM would've blown it up after nephew bent us over, it's just that Pop wanted to compete and that's how it went.

But you're a re with worst possible takes. The most fitting username on the forum.

[scott]

Apparently Tingus really thought he was coming here until ATL swooped in.

https://basketnews.com/news-228548-p...condition.html

Wonder what we were willing to give up.

[spurraider21]

coulda been the twin unicorn towers, but not unhappy with Kornet. still, ATL didnt give up all that much for him. it was #22 and salary fodder in Mann and Niang

[scott]

coulda been the twin unicorn towers, but not unhappy with Kornet. still, ATL didnt give up all that much for him. it was #22 and salary fodder in Mann and Niang

We were probably offering nothing but salary savings and maybe our SRP... and sounds like that was almost enough.

Not upset at it by any means, but it's always interesting to read what deals the Spurs were really contemplating.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Always felt that it made too much sense for Porzingis to be considered by the Spurs. But I guess, the Celtics were getting just Niang and so were able to save more money than what the Spurs could have offered (Barnes?/ Keldon [who had one more year left after the coming season] plus the Nets were willing to swallow Terance Mann's contract to get the 22nd pick from the Hawks. The Spurs couldn't just offer the 14th pick just like that. So the Hawks were always going to trump the Spurs.

That said, Kornet is not a bad choice for a durable medium term back-up. Healthier than Zingis and a wash in terms of defense, but being no mug on offense.

[ginobilized]

Let's do a playoff minutes tracker between Kornet and Porzingis. I bet we do pretty well, provided we make the playoffs.
I see Kornet as choice 1b here.

[Ariel]

Apparently Tingus really thought he was coming here until ATL swooped in.

https://basketnews.com/news-228548-p...condition.html

Wonder what we were willing to give up.

Boston turned Porzingis into Niang, basically shedding 22 million worth of salary. If that was their goal, it's hard to see what Spurs could have offered to match that, I don't see any team loving Keldon enough to absorb him into cap space, and Spurs don't want to move Vassell it seems, so I can only imagine it could have been Barnes + one of Branham/Wesley, where maybe Spurs would pay to dump Branham/Wesley into some team's cap space, and maybe throw in a couple seconds to Boston. But since the Spurs didn't have a large enough trade exception, and I don't see them attaching enough draft capital to dump Barnes, ultimately they didn't meet Boston's needs.

[exstatic]

The question is, did ATL get pre COVID Tingus or long COVD Tingus? He played like absolute dog when he returned last season.

[Ariel]

The question is, did ATL get pre COVID Tingus or long COVD Tingus? He played like absolute dog when he returned last season.

For the price it's well worth the risk. Atlanta has been one of the best FOs in the last couple of years, they've pulled several rabbits out of a hat, and were helped by luck... and the incompetence of New Orleans.

[spurraider21]

The question is, did ATL get pre COVID Tingus or long COVD Tingus? He played like absolute dog when he returned last season.

i mean, he has commented on how bad it got during the end of the season, and has said all those symptoms are gone and he's about to go play for Latvia

he's also just about to turn 30 in a few days and his game has matured in a way that seems like it would be sustainable for quite some time provided he doesnt have any other weird injuries.