The Bibby head butt on Parker

[RON ARTEST]

not even close? what has parker done? the only reason he averages more assists is because of our offense. in our offense the point guard isnt the one that does the passing. ask any kings fan, you saw it tuesday when brad miller and kenny thomas combined for like 14 assists. bibby is a better shooter and he can get in the paint just like parker. but since thats all parker does he shoots a higher percentage. i know your a spurs fan but get real. o yeah and hes CLUTCH. parker isnt.

[v2000]

not even close? what has parker done? the only reason he averages more assists is because of our offense. in our offense the point guard isnt the one that does the passing. ask any kings fan, you saw it tuesday when brad miller and kenny thomas combined for like 14 assists. bibby is a better shooter and he can get in the paint just like parker. but since thats all parker does he shoots a higher percentage. i know your a spurs fan but get real. o yeah and hes CLUTCH. parker isnt.

well, i wouldnt say that parker isnt clutch. parker does hit some big buckets, but hes nowhere NEAR the level that Bibby is at when it comes to clutch play. his lack of shooting ability kills that. and people say that parker has improved at his jumper... well, he has to an extent. he cant hit jumpers with people in his face, the way guys like Bibby can. he can only hit them when wide open... something that just about all players in the NBA can do. even Ben Wallace can knock down an open 15 foot jumper.

[RON ARTEST]

even Ben Wallace can knock down an open 15 foot jumper.

i agree.

[SpursWoman]

and people say that parker has improved at his jumper... well, he has to an extent. he cant hit jumpers with people in his face, the way guys like Bibby can. he can only hit them when wide open... something that just about all players in the NBA can do.

Tony is extremely quick, and often beats out his defender to get himself open. I didn't realize he was supposed to slow down a little so they could get in his face before he takes a shot...so he can be as cool as Bibby.

[v2000]

Tony is extremely quick, and often beats out his defender to get himself open. I didn't realize he was supposed to slow down a little so they could get in his face before he takes a shot...so he can be as cool as Bibby.

that was a pretty lame comeback. the fact is, Bibby is much more proven, much more versatile, and hasnt had half the team that Parker has, including having Tim Duncan (aka - the greatest PF EVER and one of the most dominant interior players of all time) behind him.

[RON ARTEST]

yeah that was a stupid comeback thats why i didnt respond.

[v2000]

yeah that was a stupid comeback thats why i didnt respond.

hahaha

[leemajors]

that was a pretty lame comeback. the fact is, Bibby is much more proven, much more versatile, and hasnt had half the team that Parker has, including having Tim Duncan (aka - the greatest PF EVER and one of the most dominant interior players of all time) behind him.

bibby is proven, yet parker has 2 rings. bibby had a damn good team in sac for a while.

[SpursWoman]

[LakerHater0823]

please... i never hear anything positive about the mavs from you es either, so shut the up.

What can we say positive. Oh yeah youve got an ex-spur head coach. Keep trying.

[LakerHater0823]

bibby is proven, yet parker has 2 rings. bibby had a damn good team in sac for a while.

Very true and I believe a guy named Horry ended a pretty good run the Kings had. Horry for 3! sound familiar?

[v2000]

bibby is proven, yet parker has 2 rings. bibby had a damn good team in sac for a while.

and we all know that defense wins championships, which that team lacked majorly.

[SpursWoman]

that was a pretty lame comeback. the fact is, Bibby is much more proven, much more versatile, and hasnt had half the team that Parker has, including having Tim Duncan (aka - the greatest PF EVER and one of the most dominant interior players of all time) behind him.

No, what's lame is using Bibby being able to hit jumpers with defenders in his face as a reason why he's a better player than Tony. After 75 games played, Tony is currently 3rd in the league (54.6% for a guard? )in field goal percentage, averaging 19 points per game. He's getting those points somehow, and they are not from wide open jumpshots.

They are primarily from driving into the lane getting layups and tear drops over guys a foot taller than him. That's his game...not jumpshooting. So Bibby's a better jumpshooter....Tony's better in the paint. Given that Tony is 4 years younger than Bibby, if he continues to improve as he has over the last 4 seasons, he'll be a head & shoulders over anything Bibby has done to date.

[leemajors]

and we all know that defense wins championships, which that team lacked majorly.

that doesn't mean the team was crappy.

[LakerHater0823]

I will admit that Ron Artest is really good on defense. I didn't REALLY know how good he was because I thought it was the team defense of Indiana. Now seeing Artest in Sac. shows that he is a legit defender. I didn't appreciate what he said about Bowen but I have to give him credit for playin D. That being said, the Kings don't have a chance to beat us in the Playoffs. They only beat us because we were on the most unforgivable B2B arriving home at 230am and then playing a game that was scheduled for 8 that was moved up to 7pm.

[island_dude]

Kings were playing a back to back as well.

[LakerHater0823]

Yeah but have they struggled like the spurs have in B2B. This is a mental thing, they think they are gonna lose so they lose. I am not sure of the kings schedule and honestly I don't care.

[v2000]

No, what's lame is using Bibby being able to hit jumpers with defenders in his face as a reason why he's a better player than Tony. After 75 games played, Tony is currently 3rd in the league (54.6% for a guard? )in field goal percentage, averaging 19 points per game. He's getting those points somehow, and they are not from wide open jumpshots.

They are primarily from driving into the lane getting layups and tear drops over guys a foot taller than him. That's his game...not jumpshooting. So Bibby's a better jumpshooter....Tony's better in the paint. Given that Tony is 4 years younger than Bibby, if he continues to improve as he has over the last 4 seasons, he'll be a head & shoulders over anything Bibby has done to date.

and yet you still dont see the difference... first off, Bibby is a very good driver as well. but he can jump shoot as well. again, Bibby's teammates are quite different... Does he have the greatest PF of all time behind him? no. does his team even have good defense? aside from Ron Artest, no. geez, you are both a homer and ignorant to the simple facts.

[v2000]

that doesn't mean the team was crappy.

no, but having a good defense and good defensive system helps your offense run more smoothly. to add to it, for about the 1000th time, he didnt have Tim Duncan to play with. He really didn't have much of a dominant interior player, period. Webber was good, but hes quite a different player from Duncan, and wasnt nearly as dominant.

[ponky]

there was no head butt, parker's head just got in the way as usual when he drives like that...anyway, what's with all the pics on this board? does it have anything to do with the insecurity san antonio girls feel after charles barkley's comments a couple of years ago?

[Solid D]

there was no head butt, parker's head just got in the way as usual when he drives like that...anyway, what's with all the pics on this board? does it have anything to do with the insecurity san antonio girls feel after charles barkley's comments a couple of years ago?

You missed reading how his head was injured. Read back a page or two.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthre...859#post850859

[leemajors]

not many offenses ran smoother than sacramento's at that time. their balls did have a tendency to shrink against the lake show late in the game, but they were a shot or two away from going to the finals.

[ponky]

You missed reading how his head was injured. Read back a page or two.

Big deal, GOI. People get hurt...remember when Ginobili *took out* Nowitzki in the second game of the Western Conference finals? happens, although SOME players for some reason tend to either injure themselves or others with more frequency...take for instance, Ginobili. He took out someone else this season and I believe he's even injured himself with all his flailing about not looking where he's going movements.

BTW, I have the game on TIVO and I did read your quote about how the incident occurred. I'm not saying you're wrong, it's just that if there's no malicious intent, there's no reason to discuss it.

[Solid D]

Big deal, GOI. People get hurt...remember when Ginobili *took out* Nowitzki in the second game of the Western Conference finals? happens, although SOME players for some reason tend to either injure themselves or others with more frequency...take for instance, Ginobili. He took out someone else this season and I believe he's even injured himself with all his flailing about not looking where he's going movements.

genius

BTW, I have the game on TIVO and I did read your quote about how the incident occurred. I'm not saying you're wrong, it's just that if there's no malicious intent, there's no reason to discuss it.

[SpursWoman]

and yet you still dont see the difference... first off, Bibby is a very good driver as well. but he can jump shoot as well. again, Bibby's teammates are quite different... Does he have the greatest PF of all time behind him? no. does his team even have good defense? aside from Ron Artest, no. geez, you are both a homer and ignorant to the simple facts.

What facts? The fact that it's obvious you've only watched the Spurs this season the 3 times they've played the Mavericks? Or the fact that you're an asshole? Because that's pretty obvious.