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    yeah its a good question why May 1 was selected. But beleive me all the organizers have been telling the people to wear white, bring american flags and act peacefully and orderly. And the whole purpose of this is to stop those new laws and support immigrants rights. so don't worry
    The point is clear, but spin will occur no matter what.

    We Will continue the Mass peaceful demonstrations and strikes for justice, no matter what the opposition says. This Is History, in the making.

    Si Se Puede

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    A little research has confirmed my fears. The National Immigrant Solidarity Network that is organizing this march is aligned with ActionLA.

    A quick trip to the ActionLA website yields the motto: "We demand a total change of priorities from the production of things to the caring for people and the environment." In other words, they want the abandonment of capitalism.

    They also are tied to the World Can't Wait campaign, which was founded by C. Clark Kissinger, the leader of the Revolutionary Communist Party, which, among its other seditious activities, called for the assassination of President Reagan in 1984.

    SA210, I know you mean well, but you're being used as a stooge by this country's enemies.

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    Buy it the day before brother.
    Does that really do any damage then?


    AP: Alcohol Sales for 4/30/2006 highest of the year

    Two days worth of beer and liquor purchased in one day
    Liquor store owners celebrate

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    Does that really do any damage then?


    AP: Alcohol Sales for 4/30/2006 highest of the year

    Two days worth of beer and liquor purchased in one day
    Liquor store owners celebrate

    Liquor stores closed on Sunday. PWNT!!!1!11!!!

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    Damn, that Saturday is gonna be huge for sales then...

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    Our coverage of Austin's protest march.

    http://star.txstate.edu/index.php?op...k=view&id=1436

    This was probably the largest story I've ever covered and I was pretty shocked at how many people took to the streets.

    The Immigration Issue: Protest at the Capitol

    Protestors take to streets of Austin to call for immigration reform

    By Joe Ruiz
    The University Star

    AUSTIN — Thousands of Central Texans marched downtown on Monday afternoon to protest resolutions before Congress calling for tougher crackdowns on illegal immigration.

    An estimated crowd of 12,000 were present throughout the day, and an estimated 3,000 congregated on the steps of the Capitol building to listen to speakers, organize and chant slogans calling for equal rights within the immigrant communities.

    The lush, green lawns of the Capitol were awash in white shirts and predominately American and Mexican flags.

    The rally on the steps was part of an earlier walkout and protest on the campus of the University of Texas.

    One of those at the Capitol attended because of what he had faced in his five years in the United States as an undo ented immigrant.

    “We came to work in America to get a better life,” Sergio Peña said. “We want to get our papers, that way we don’t have to worry about being here and not be scared and afraid.”

    Holding an American flag with his family, Peña joined those on the lawn and steps in chants of “¡Si, se puede!” Spanish for “Yes, we can!”

    The protest — which later became a march — was part of the National Day of Action for Immigrant Justice, a day planned to rally hundreds of thousands of people in at least 39 states, according to CNN.

    Austin’s protestors, while predominately of Hispanic descent, were joined by people across the racial and ethnic spectrum.

    Brigid Shea, a former Austin city councilwoman, was among the protestors marching through Congress Avenue and other streets on their way to the Federal Building at the intersection of San Jacinto Boulevard and East Ninth Street.

    “I think these protests are very similar to those of the Civil Rights protests in the ’60s,” Shea said. “I think the way we treat immigrants is a re-invention of slavery.”

    Shea, who openly cried during the walk, also marched as a way to teach her son and his friend how to stand up for what they believe is right.

    “If you don’t give us our rights, we’re going to open our own doors,” said Jack Bennett, friend of Shea’s son. “It should be very easy to just give them their rights.”

    Immigrants, both legal and illegal, were part of the protest and march that stopped briefly to chant at the doors of the Texas Governor’s Mansion on Colorado Street as well as the local offices of Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, on West Sixth Street.

    Shortly after 5 p.m., Kyle resident Rigoberto Faz briefly led the march down 11th Street before turning left on Colorado. Faz, hand-in-hand with two of his three sons, joined the march to show that immigrants contribute daily to American life.

    “My parents came here from Mexico to work,” Faz said. “I’m not claiming to be a perfect person, but it gave me the opportunity to give my children, my wife and my family an opportunity to have a better life. I believe everybody should have that right to come and have the opportunity to work as long as they remain crime-free, I don’t see a reason why we have to deport anybody.”

    Following the chants at the Governor’s Mansion, the march continued four blocks further to Sixth Street, where the line of protestors turned right and proceeded to stop at Cornyn’s offices.

    Chris Jimmerson, executive director of Political Asylum Project of Austin and one of the organizers of the march, stopped the group as they arrived at shaded entrance to the building.

    “This is Senator Cornyn’s office, and they have a message they want to send to Senator Cornyn about supporting immigrant rights,” Jimmerson said. “We want a program that allows people to become legal, and we want just, comprehensive immigration reform.”

    Three protestors carried a giant letter, affixed with a stamp of Latino civil rights icon César Chavéz, to the door of the locked building and left it against the entrance, addressed to the local offices of the senator.

    “It’s clear that we need both border security and reform to address the 12 million people currently living inside our borders illegally. The Cornyn/Kyl bill takes a comprehensive approach that would bolster our border security, enhance interior enforcement and comprehensively reform our immigration laws. Our plan would also provide a second chance, without amnesty, for those who want to work legally in the United States. But I will continue to oppose legislation that includes amnesty or simply repeats the mistakes of the 1986 bill,” Cornyn wrote in an e-mail statement to The University Star through his press secretary, John Drogin.

    After leaving Cornyn’s office, the march looped back through Fifth Street and turned left onto Congress, before turning again on East Ninth Street to arrive at a final rally at the Federal Building.

    Those walking at the head of the march on Fifth Street could observe people still turning onto Sixth Street in front of Cornyn’s office.

    Many of the demonstrators were peaceful along the route, even when confronted by a handful of counter-protestors, although an official statement about situations during the rally and march were unavailable after multiple phone calls to the Austin Police Department were not returned.

    “I believe that we’re a nation of laws and that we need to uphold the law as it is. Illegal immigration is against the law, so I think that the people who are here illegally need to go home and come back via proper channels,” said Grant Rostig, a Libertarian candidate for the 25th U.S. Congressional District of Texas.

    The candidate said that even with his alternative stance to the masses walking through Austin, he had been confronted only briefly.

    “A few people have said a few things, but it’s been pretty peaceful, actually.”

    Rostig is challenging Democratic in bent Lloyd Doggett in the November elections.

    By 7 p.m., most of the protestors had left the Federal Building, but traffic through Austin’s downtown streets was still blocked.









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    A little research has confirmed my fears. The National Immigrant Solidarity Network that is organizing this march is aligned with ActionLA.

    A quick trip to the ActionLA website yields the motto: "We demand a total change of priorities from the production of things to the caring for people and the environment." In other words, they want the abandonment of capitalism.

    They also are tied to the World Can't Wait campaign, which was founded by C. Clark Kissinger, the leader of the Revolutionary Communist Party, which, among its other seditious activities, called for the assassination of President Reagan in 1984.

    SA210, I know you mean well, but you're being used as a stooge by this country's enemies.
    The point is clear, but spin will occur no matter what.

    We Will continue the Mass peaceful demonstrations and strikes for justice, no matter what the opposition says. This Is History, in the making.

    Si Se Puede
    The millions marching and striking know what they are doing this for. Labeling them will not stop the demonstrations, in fact only encourage bigger ones.

    I do mean well, and so do the millions demonstrating.

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    The millions marching and striking know what they are doing this for. Labeling them will not stop the demonstrations, in fact only encourage bigger ones.

    I do mean well, and so do the millions demonstrating.
    Just be sure to make it your march, and not theirs.

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    A little research has confirmed my fears. The National Immigrant Solidarity Network that is organizing this march is aligned with ActionLA.

    A quick trip to the ActionLA website yields the motto: "We demand a total change of priorities from the production of things to the caring for people and the environment." In other words, they want the abandonment of capitalism.

    They also are tied to the World Can't Wait campaign, which was founded by C. Clark Kissinger, the leader of the Revolutionary Communist Party, which, among its other seditious activities, called for the assassination of President Reagan in 1984.

    SA210, I know you mean well, but you're being used as a stooge by this country's enemies.
    Overreacting a little? This is gonna be too big for this organization to organize, you are giving them too much credit.

    Fact is, immigrants are realizing that they do have power and are uniting for their rights.

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    Yeah, I must seem like a real race traitor to folks like you. Should I be expecting a burning cross on my lawn?
    No, you can rest easy as far as I am concerned. I have no intention of
    doing anything like that. But I will speak my mind. That is my right.

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    Question: why has the big Communist holiday of May Day been selected for this demonstration? Why not, say, May 5?

    Are you sure you really understand who is organizing this? The Communist group A.N.S.W.E.R. frequently has their tentacles around movements like this.

    Just be careful you who are dealing with. The U.S. populace is not unsympathetic to the immigrant plight, but if starts aligning itself with anti-American leftists, the mood could change.
    Well who do you think is organizing these "rallies". And who is trying to
    associate these people with "civil rights". But SA210 feels better, cause
    SA210 did the right thing. Even If it isn't.

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    No, you can rest easy as far as I am concerned. I have no intention of
    doing anything like that. But I will speak my mind. That is my right.

    You better do it now, as you seem to be losing it rapidly.

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    The millions marching and striking know what they are doing this for. Labeling them will not stop the demonstrations, in fact only encourage bigger ones.

    I do mean well, and so do the millions demonstrating.
    Don't you just love their little saying. March today, vote tomorrow. Obviously, they don't tell the truth. Vote in every election, so long as you
    vote dimm-0-crap. No one will stop you.

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    Don't you just love their little saying. March today, vote tomorrow. Obviously, they don't tell the truth. Vote in every election, so long as you
    vote dimm-0-crap. No one will stop you.

    paranoid much?

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    You better do it now, as you seem to be losing it rapidly.

    OG, I haven't nor will I lose it. Nor have you lost it or lose it. But
    don't begrudge me my little say, okay. And yes, I know you weren't talking
    about what I just said. But believe me when I tell you, I have all my
    mental facilities about me. Violence is just not my bag, that is for the
    opposition. Speaking my mind, unafraid or yours or anyone else consequence, that
    is my privilege and pride. I hold no prejudice against any person because
    of race. I do hold prejudice, against many. But I dislike all equally. I don't
    care what there race/color/gender or otherwise. I don't like someone, I don't
    like them.

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    Here is Dr. Sowell's take on immigration. SA210 please look at the highlighted
    portion. You brought this subject up in one of your post.



    Immigration "solutions"
    By Thomas Sowell

    Apr 11, 2006


    Activists who are organizing mass marches and demonstrations in cities across America may well be congratulating themselves on the huge numbers of people they can get to turn out to protest efforts in Congress to reduce illegal immigration.

    No doubt that will impress many in the media and intimidate many politicians. But how these marches will be seen by millions of other Americans is another question entirely.

    The Mexican flags and the strident assertions of a right to violate American laws are a danger signal to this society, as they would be to any society.

    The releasing of children from schools to take part in these marches and the support of the marchers' goals by some religious leaders demonstrate that this contempt for the laws of the land has spread well beyond immigrant communities.

    For some, this is just another extension of their general anti-establishment at udes and activities. They are ready to protest virtually anything at any time.

    At the other end of the political spectrum are staid and sober representatives of business interests who simply want a continuing supply of cheap labor. They don't march, they lobby politicians.

    Both liberals and free-market libertarians often see this as an abstract issue about poor people being hindered from moving to jobs by an arbitrary border drawn across the southwest desert.

    Intellectuals' ability to think of people in the abstract is a dangerous talent in a world where people differ in all the ways that make them people. The cultures and surrounding cir stances of those people are crucial for understanding what they are likely to do and what the consequences are likely to be.

    Some free-market advocates argue that the same principle which justifies free international trade in commodities should justify the free movement of people as well. But this ignores the fact that people have consequences that go far beyond the consequences of commodities.

    Commodities are used up and vanish. People generate more people, who become a permanent and expanding part of the country's population and electorate.

    It is an irreversible process -- and a potentially dangerous process, as Europeans have discovered with their "guest worker" programs that have brought in many Muslims who are fundamentally hostile to the culture and the people that welcomed them.

    Unlike commodities, people in a welfare state have legal claims on other people's tax dollars and expensive services in schools and hospitals, not to mention the high cost of imprisoning many of them who commit crimes.

    Immigrants in past centuries came here to become Americans, not to remain foreigners, much less to proclaim the rights of their homelands to reclaim American soil, as some of the Mexican activist groups have done.

    In the wars that this country fought, immigrant groups were among the most patriotic volunteers, earning the respect of American citizens on the battlefield with their blood and their lives.

    Today, immigrant spokesmen promote grievances, not gra ude, much less patriotism. Moreover, many native-born Americans also promote a sense of separatism and grievance and, through "multi-culturalism," strive to keep immigrants foreign and disaffected.

    This is not to say that all or most of the illegal immigrants themselves share this anti-establishment or anti-American bias of many of their spokesmen or supporters. Most are probably here to make a buck and have little time for ideology.

    Hispanic activists themselves recognize that many of the immigrants from Mexico -- legal or illegal -- would assimilate into American society in the absence of these activists' efforts to keep them a separate cons uency. But these efforts are widespread and unrelenting, a fact that cannot be ignored.

    Whatever is said or done in the immigration debate, no one should insult the American people's intelligence by talking or acting as if this is a question about the movement of abstract people across an abstract line.

    What is likely to be done? A pretense of reducing illegal immigration and a reality of amnesty under some other name.



    Thomas Sowell is the prolific author of books such as Black Rednecks and White Liberals and Applied Economics.




    Copyright © 2006 Townhall.com


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    Find this story at: http://www.townhall.com/opinion/colu...11/193239.html

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    I guess I'll get in on the debate here a lil bit.

    Please bear with me, cuz Karl ain't around to help me.
    And I hate bears, by the way.

    But gettin' to the point. "lllegal immigration"is something that concerns me very much.

    Mainly,
    because I don't know what the it is. I just know one day my people conquered a bunch of dark colored people who used to be called Machete's or somethin' like that, or maybe cuz they used machete's, oh I don't know, the point is, we stole some land fair and square.

    My daddy told me once; that's why I was able to steal them elections so good, it's in my blood. Anyway, I guess we didn't kill em all cuz they wannna come back. Seeing as how I don't want them buildin' tents up and adobe buildings again, we must declare war on Texas even though it's ours.

    We can post up at my ranch down in Crawford, TX.
    And When I say "we", I mean yall. What'd you expect?

    Our battle cry can be, "Remember the machete's" or some other hardware tool.

    I'll personally have Cheney guard the south post of my ranch. We can just throw Harry Whittington in the direction of them dark skinned people and will take care of the rest.

    Until we have victory,

    God Bless America

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    Here is Dr. Sowell's take on immigration. SA210 please look at the highlighted
    portion. You brought this subject up in one of your post.



    Immigration "solutions"
    By Thomas Sowell

    Apr 11, 2006


    Activists who are organizing mass marches and demonstrations in cities across America may well be congratulating themselves on the huge numbers of people they can get to turn out to protest efforts in Congress to reduce illegal immigration.

    No doubt that will impress many in the media and intimidate many politicians. But how these marches will be seen by millions of other Americans is another question entirely.

    The Mexican flags and the strident assertions of a right to violate American laws are a danger signal to this society, as they would be to any society.

    The releasing of children from schools to take part in these marches and the support of the marchers' goals by some religious leaders demonstrate that this contempt for the laws of the land has spread well beyond immigrant communities.

    For some, this is just another extension of their general anti-establishment at udes and activities. They are ready to protest virtually anything at any time.

    At the other end of the political spectrum are staid and sober representatives of business interests who simply want a continuing supply of cheap labor. They don't march, they lobby politicians.

    Both liberals and free-market libertarians often see this as an abstract issue about poor people being hindered from moving to jobs by an arbitrary border drawn across the southwest desert.

    Intellectuals' ability to think of people in the abstract is a dangerous talent in a world where people differ in all the ways that make them people. The cultures and surrounding cir stances of those people are crucial for understanding what they are likely to do and what the consequences are likely to be.

    Some free-market advocates argue that the same principle which justifies free international trade in commodities should justify the free movement of people as well. But this ignores the fact that people have consequences that go far beyond the consequences of commodities.

    Commodities are used up and vanish. People generate more people, who become a permanent and expanding part of the country's population and electorate.

    It is an irreversible process -- and a potentially dangerous process, as Europeans have discovered with their "guest worker" programs that have brought in many Muslims who are fundamentally hostile to the culture and the people that welcomed them.

    Unlike commodities, people in a welfare state have legal claims on other people's tax dollars and expensive services in schools and hospitals, not to mention the high cost of imprisoning many of them who commit crimes.

    Immigrants in past centuries came here to become Americans, not to remain foreigners, much less to proclaim the rights of their homelands to reclaim American soil, as some of the Mexican activist groups have done.

    In the wars that this country fought, immigrant groups were among the most patriotic volunteers, earning the respect of American citizens on the battlefield with their blood and their lives.

    Today, immigrant spokesmen promote grievances, not gra ude, much less patriotism. Moreover, many native-born Americans also promote a sense of separatism and grievance and, through "multi-culturalism," strive to keep immigrants foreign and disaffected.

    This is not to say that all or most of the illegal immigrants themselves share this anti-establishment or anti-American bias of many of their spokesmen or supporters. Most are probably here to make a buck and have little time for ideology.

    Hispanic activists themselves recognize that many of the immigrants from Mexico -- legal or illegal -- would assimilate into American society in the absence of these activists' efforts to keep them a separate cons uency. But these efforts are widespread and unrelenting, a fact that cannot be ignored.

    Whatever is said or done in the immigration debate, no one should insult the American people's intelligence by talking or acting as if this is a question about the movement of abstract people across an abstract line.

    What is likely to be done? A pretense of reducing illegal immigration and a reality of amnesty under some other name.



    Thomas Sowell is the prolific author of books such as Black Rednecks and White Liberals and Applied Economics.




    Copyright © 2006 Townhall.com


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    Find this story at: http://www.townhall.com/opinion/colu...11/193239.html
    the poor doctor is overanalysing the whole thing. Keep it simple. Illegal immigrants want their rights and are fighting for them period.

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    The Mexican-descent population of Texas around the end of Mexican rule was around 5,000. The Anglo population was around 30,000.

    The stealing of land from Hispanic landowners in favor of well-connected Anglos with oil interests in the early 20th century is a gross injustice, but it is a domestic one, not an international one.

    Pff, i Never said it was an international one, i know it was in this area. I was just saying its not like it happened once or twice like you alluded to.

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    the poor doctor is overanalysing the whole thing. Keep it simple. Illegal immigrants want their rights and are fighting for them period.

    What rights are those, may I ask. Their rights as the citizens of their
    country. Or the rights of an American citizen. They have no guaranteed
    rights as illegal aliens in the United States.

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    What rights are those, may I ask. Their rights as the citizens of their
    country. Or the rights of an American citizen. They have no guaranteed
    rights as illegal aliens in the United States.
    their rights as living, breathing human beings and not animals. Those rights.

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    their rights as living, breathing human beings and not animals. Those rights.
    No one is denying those rights. Other than maybe their own countries,
    who they should working to change. No come here illegally and demand
    rights, where none exist. How come you don't demand Mexico take care
    of all their citizens, end corruption and share the wealth of their nation.

    Huh, home come?

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    No one is denying those rights. Other than maybe their own countries,
    who they should working to change. No come here illegally and demand
    rights, where none exist. How come you don't demand Mexico take care
    of all their citizens, end corruption and share the wealth of their nation.

    Huh, home come?

    I wonder if you're here illegally after reading your posts in which you completely butcher the English language.

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    No one is denying those rights. Other than maybe their own countries,
    who they should working to change. No come here illegally and demand
    rights, where none exist. How come you don't demand Mexico take care
    of all their citizens, end corruption and share the wealth of their nation.

    Huh, home come?

    dude someday you'll have to face that it's IMPOSSIBLE to deport 11 million human beings from a country. Once you realize that, I hope you realize, those human beings need rights, especially if they work hard and want to contribute to this nation. Util then, good luck.

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    their rights as living, breathing human beings and not animals. Those rights.
    Not to get too far off topic here, but just out of curiousity, what rights do "living human beings" have, where do they originate from, and who grants them?

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