Robertas Javtokas will sign with Spurs ?

[Solid D]

Bring on 5-Down and RobertasDumper.

[ChumpDumper]

False...I said he was getting less minutes under Hill than he did under Brown.

If Brown had anyone playing like Hedo, that might be relevant. He was the second SF during the Magic's best run. Period.

There is a logic stupid though it may be...they want a shorterm core signed as cheaply as possible but they are trying to lower their cap for signing their own young talent and perhaps aquiring it elsewhere.

Well, anything we'd offer would make sense then

..the bottom line is that 2 guard and shooters are their primary needs.

MLE/LLE, draft picks, and/or keeping Stevenson are all options there, and none of them eat into the money that they could use to match an Ariza offer

Bottom line is that you guys think they are more interested in him than they are.

Yes, GMs are always open and honest with the media, I forgot.

even if they won't let him go for nothing...they'll let him go for an immediate need. Shooter.

They can have both. Easily.

[ChumpDumper]

What makes anyone think anyone wants to play here?

You think he likes his ring?

I think he likes playing more than one game a season.

[velik_m]

You mind not ing up this Ariza thread with Javtokas talk? Thanks.

[ChumpDumper]

We can't help it. Javtokas is the only thing we've ever agreed on.

[whottt]

If Brown had anyone playing like Hedo, that might be relevant. He was the second SF during the Magic's best run. Period.

It's Larry Brown we're talking about here...it is relevant. It's always relevant when 20-21 year old project got more PT under Larry Brown than someone else...

Well, anything we'd offer would make sense thenMLE/LLE, draft picks, and/or keeping Stevenson

They aren't real high on Stephenson, nor should they be...you notice he didn't get extended.

They can have both. Easily.

Said a fan of an elite team that's been shot out of the playoffs by Steve Smith and Hedo...tell me how easy it is.

[whottt]

I think he likes playing more than one game a season.

Then he shouldn't get injured in training camp...

Seriously, is that the best you have left now?

You just described 99% of the players in the NBA...

If it's that much of a factor...and they've watched Pop long enough...we aint signing anyone.

BTW, you started Larry Birding LJIII much more quickly than I expected....

[ChumpDumper]

It's Larry Brown we're talking about here...it is relevant. It's always relevant when 20-21 year old project got more PT under Larry Brown than someone else...

Again if Brown was coaching during Springtime for Hedo, Trevor would still be getting 12-15mpg.

They aren't real high on Stephenson, nor should they be...you notice he didn't get extended.

I don't think he had a deal that could be extended. He has an option this year. If he takes it, they can play him or trade him. If not, hey, more room under the tax threshold to spend on a guard to go along with their pick.

Said a fan of an elite team that's been shot out of the playoffs by Steve Smith and Hedo...tell me how easy it is.

Since one has nothing to do with the other, yes, it is very easy to get an SG through the draft and/or free agency and match on a reasonalble Ariza deal without coming close to the luxury tax. A "win now" strategy pretty much demands doing so.

[Phenomanul]

for all of you who havent seen Javtokas in game footage here is something posted by timvp on youtube, hope you guys enjoy

Javtokas highlight video

Is this recent material??? He looks pretty athletic... that up an under was flawless...

[whottt]

Seriously...after checking that video, anyone think Javtokas lacks athleticism or an under the basket game? That baby hook he's got is nice. And he's got form and style on those dunks.


He could come real close to approximating Drob in his later years...perhaps more.

That hook will translate to the NBA, that leaping ability will translate to the NBA, the work ethic that got him his career back will translate to the NBA. But will his legs?

No comparisons between this guy and Oberto...Oberto's lack of athleticism is what hurt him in his transition...You can still tell Oberto is a fundamentally solid player, just over-matched in his first year.

[ChumpDumper]

Then he shouldn't get injured in training camp...

Seriously, is that the best you have left now?

You just described 99% of the players in the NBA...

If it's that much of a factor...and they've watched Pop long enough...we aint signing anyone.

BTW, you started Larry Birding LJIII much more quickly than I expected....

I'm not Larry Birding anyone, so you can stop trying to distract from the matter at hand

You haven't proved to me that.

1) LJIII wants to be here.

2) The Spurs would conceivably want him back after dropping his option for the minimum salary after trying to trade him away.

3) LJIII doesn't want to be in OKC.

4) LJIII can remember one play in the Spurs offense.

5) Young NBA players prefer to ride the IR once they have averaged 18mpg.

I'm sure there is a quote on the internets you can find from him.

[whottt]

Again if Brown was coaching during Springtime for Hedo, Trevor would still be getting 12-15mpg.

Maybe...or maybe LB would have moved Hedo to the 2. You can't say that for certain.

I don't think he had a deal that could be extended. He has an option this year. If he takes it, they can play him or trade him. If not, hey, more room under the tax threshold to spend on a guard to go along with their pick.

They're not real high on him.

Since one has nothing to do with the other, yes, it is very easy to get an SG through the draft and/or free agency and match on a reasonalble Ariza deal without coming close to the luxury tax. A "win now" strategy pretty much demands doing so.

If you want a ty one...again I ask..what the Magic trying to do...win now? Or rebuild.

I think it's pretty obvious they are trung to win now, they have cap issues, they may subside for a bit in 2 years but they'll be back in abundance around 08....and exactly how does Ariza fit any of their needs? He can't shoot. They need it..he doesn't have it.

[ace3g]

Is this recent material??? He looks pretty athletic... that up an under was flawless...

yeah all that footage is recent (meaning after his accident and recovery) I have known about Javtokas ever since they drafted him, like I do with all the players the spurs draft and keep updates on them


Javtokas is ready for the nba, trust me

[whottt]

I'm not Larry Birding anyone, so you can stop trying to distract from the matter at hand

Yes you are...you're making it sound like teams are going to be beating down the door to sign him and he's going to be able to pick his team at his leisure....

There isn't a dearth of SF's in the NBA right now...only on the Spurs.

You haven't proved to me that.

1) LJIII wants to be here.

Prove to me that he doesn't...

2) The Spurs would conceivably want him back after dropping his option.

Watch much basketball during the Mavs series?

3) LJIII doesn't want to be in OKC.

Ever been to OKC?

4) LJIII can remember one play in the Spurs offense.

As opposed to anyone else we sign?

5) Young NBA players prefer to ride the IR once they have averaged 18mpg.

No one likes riding the pine...no one.

I'm sure there is a quote on the internets you can find from him.

...I guess we better start scouring the Korean Leagues for players...no one is going to sign here...they might not get PT.

Get ing real....lame lame lame lame lame.

[Phenomanul]

yeah all that footage is recent (meaning after his accident and recovery) I have known about Javtokas ever since they drafted him, like I do with all the players the spurs draft and keep updates on them


Javtokas is ready for the nba, trust me

It certainly looks that way... man I hadn't even seen the very last play on that clip... it looked like a play Manu would make...

[ChumpDumper]

Maybe...or maybe LB would have moved Hedo to the 2. You can't say that for certain.

He certainly would've played Hedo at every position during the season.

They're not real high on him.

So they put his expiring deal together with Garrity's and get another shooting guard, with no net change in salary

If you want a ty one...again I ask..what the Magic trying to do...win now? Or rebuild.

You can't even answer that, so why are you asking me? I simply think Hill and Smith are in a honeymoon phase and on the same page right now. If you really know how they feel, you'll know what will happen to Ariza. One indirect quote on the internets isn't quote enough for me.

I think it's pretty obvious they are trung to win now, they have cap issues, they may subside for a bit in 2 years but they'll be back in abundance around 08....and exactly how does Ariza fit any of their needs? He can't shoot. They need it..he doesn't have it.

All depends on what else they do in the draft and otherwise. You have real tunnelvision with this guy, so I understand that the Magic must never want Trevor Ariza under any cir stances. That simply isn't the case, though -- there are all kinds of possible scenarios that would make the Magic's matching an Ariza offer an easy decision.

[ChumpDumper]

Yes you are...you're making it sound like teams are going to be beating down the door to sign him and he's going to be able to pick his team at his leisure....

Not at all. I'm making it sound like the Spurs didn't want him back for the minimum.

There isn't a dearth of SF's in the NBA right now...only on the Spurs.

If Augmon and Hill are gone, guess what Orlando will need?[/quote]Prove to me that he doesn't...[/quote]Don't need to.

Watch much basketball during the Mavs series?

I watched the Spurs let his minimum salary deal go.

Ever been to OKC?

No accounting for taste.

As opposed to anyone else we sign?

Absolutely. He didn't remember plays anywhere he has played. All things being equal, I prefer a player who would.

No one likes riding the pine...no one.

And who does LJIII knock out of the rotation?

...I guess we better start scouring the Korean Leagues for players...no one is going to sign here...they might not get PT.

...I guess maybe we should come up with something better than LJIII. I think Sharrod Ford would actually be a better choice, but I know better than to hope for the Spurs to sign someone they already kicked to the curb.

[whottt]

So they put his expiring deal together with Garrity's and get another shooting guard, with no net change in salary

They can do a lot of things....teams could never let any RFA's go...but they do.

You can't even answer that, so why are you asking me? I simply think Hill and Smith are in a honeymoon phase and on the same page right now. If you really know how they feel, you'll know what will happen to Ariza. One indirect quote on the internets isn't quote enough for me.All depends on what else they do in the draft and otherwise. You have real tunnelvision with this guy, so I understand that the Magic must never want Trevor Ariza under any cir stances. That simply isn't the case, though -- there are all kinds of possible scenarios that would make the Magic's matching an Ariza offer an easy decision.

You miss the point entirely...the Spurs have nothing to lose if the Scola scraps are as small as you claim.

Oh we might miss out your latest Rockets choke artist...

And BTW, I drafted Bobby Sura for my fantasy league team this year because of years of your inane prattling about how good he was...

And you have the audacity to ask me why I am being a ... you!

[whottt]

Not at all. I'm making it sound like the Spurs didn't want him back for the minimum.

The Spurs are owned by Peter Holt you know...they almost didn't want Tony Parker back over 2 million dollars...

This year NVE and Finley were available...

If Augmon and Hill are gone, guess what Orlando will need?

Two new overpaid and useless pieces of ?

Don't need to.

Yes you do...that's an assinine statement.

I watched the Spurs let his minimum salary deal go.

Did you also watch the Spurs let Jason Hart and Devin Brown go their first time around?

Absolutely. He didn't remember plays anywhere he has played.

He's young...

.And who does LJIII knock out of the rotation?

Ask any big on the Spurs not named Tim Duncan...if we're playing the Mavs again.

but I know better than to hope for the Spurs to sign someone they already kicked to the curb.

Like Devin Brown...and Jason Hart...and Avery Johnson....and Steve Kerr...and Raja Belle(attempted) and even my god...Steve Smith in 04(attempted).

I am sure there are others...*cough*Melvin Sanders*cough*

Speedy Claxton..cough cough cough.



You lucky timvp carries a permanent redass over my AJ stance or there's no way you'd still have that le after the above statement you just made...

I think it's time you went to bed...I am actually starting to feel sorry for you.

[ChumpDumper]

Dumbasses like you and Ghost will never unblur the line between fantasy and real basketball. You need to quit one or the other.

Oh we might miss out your latest Rockets choke artist...

If you can show me where Hayes choked this season, fine. Otherwise, you can't tell me he wouldn't be easier to sign simply because of the source of the funds needed to keep him.

[whottt]

If you like him...he'll choke. The burden of proof lies on you to prove otherwise, your record speaks for itself.

[ChumpDumper]

The Spurs are owned by Peter Holt you know...they almost didn't want Tony Parker back over 2 million dollars...

So we wouldn't carry him on the IR again. Agreed.

Two new overpaid and useless pieces of ?

I can see how the possiblity angers you. It must be difficult being so angry at the internets all the time.

Yes you do...that's an assinine statement.

Not really, being strung along all summer by a team that didn't want him back would naturally disincline a player (and his agent) from dealing with that team again. It's up to you to disprove that.

Did you also watch the Spurs let Jason Hart and Devin Brown go their first time around?

Sure, they got better. No real indication LJIII has

He's young...

26 isn't that young - it's old enough to determine whether a guy can learn a play.

Ask any big on the Spurs not named Tim Duncan...if we're playing the Mavs again.

Nah, he doesn't knock Finley out of the rotation if he doesn't make the playoff roster.

Like Devin Brown...and Jason Hart...and Avery Johnson....and Steve Kerr...and Raja Belle(attempted) and even my god...Steve Smith in 04(attempted).

I am sure there are others...*cough*Melvin Sanders*cough*

Speedy Claxton..cough cough cough.

Again those guys were actually good -- or improved in the meantime. Quit Boris Diawing LJIII. It sickens me.

You lucky timvp carries a permanent redass over my AJ stance or there's no way you'd still have that le after the above statement you just made...

I don't give a about the le. Your attempt at Boris Diawing LJIII means it stays though.

I think it's time you went to bed...I am actually starting to feel sorry for you.

I think you should yourself. I've always felt sorry for you.

I have given very real reasons why these signings might not happen.

Your reason for them happening is, well, you want them to.

Either one is possible, and I won't discount either out of hand. But I'm not going to make the stretches of logic that you have made:

Orlando won't re-sign Ariza because Hedo would've been a shooting guard in New York.

LJIII isn't Larry Bird, but he is Boris Diaw.

[MannyIsGod]

On the subject of spacing regarding the Spurs offense, one of the worst things that Nazr and Rasho casued for different but simillar reasons was the closing off of the lane. Both were non factors to score under the basket off of passes from the penetrators because neither could finish: Rasho prefering to brick , and Nazr prefering to pump fake away the game or bobble the ball away

If Robertas can finish underneath the goal, that will help open up the lanes as he becomes an option for the guards to pass too. There are several ways a player can help space the floor.

[ChumpDumper]

If you like him...he'll choke. The burden of proof lies on you to prove otherwise, your record speaks for itself.

So all the Spurs are chokers.

Javtokas is a choker.

Ariza is a choker.

LJIII is a choker.

Understood.

More great logic from you.

[whottt]

LMAO...you're angry when you're owned.

Plenty of indication LJIII has improved BTW...careers highs in FG%, 3PT%, PTS and offensive boards...

What did Devin Brown and Hart do to show they had improved?

Brown played 13 games with the Nuggets...

Hart didn't even play in the NBA between stints...

And you said Spurs don't resign players they have given up on...that's what you said...nothing to do with improvement...that was not part of your statement.

Own up for once in your life .