Phoenix Suns: Take a Step Back

[JMarkJohns]

Going into the postseason, the suns were in fact the LAS VEGAS favorite to come out of their side of the western conference to make it to the conference finals (NOT la/la/or denver).

...find me an article from anyone in the national media that says lakers were anything close to "second tier contenders."

Also, according to Vegas: Lakers were a clearcut underdog to the Suns (...just the facts).

You do realize that these lines are meant to inspire betting, not be used as a sourse to base you illogical claims? They tend to leans significantly in one direction or another to evoke a "I can't believe they think the Suns will reach the Finals! No way?! I got 100 bucks that says they won't and with Dallas at 4-1 or San Antonio at 3-1, I'll take some of that"...

It's all about making money, not being accurate.

[RonMexico]

Only gots (aka ESPN analysts) called the Mavs " le contenders" this year... and I'm not just making that up - Vegas has 5-1 odds that Stephen A. Smith and Greg Anthony do it the butt, but only 3-2 odds that Stephen A. gives him a reach-around...

[pussyface]

its hard to justify that las vegas odds are not indicative of who is considered underdog/favorite.

[MadDog73]

You do realize that these lines are meant to inspire betting, not be used as a sourse to base you illogical claims? They tend to leans significantly in one direction or another to evoke a "I can't believe they think the Suns will reach the Finals! No way?! I got 100 bucks that says they won't and with Dallas at 4-1 or San Antonio at 3-1, I'll take some of that"...

It's all about making money, not being accurate.

I'm not sure I follow you. Are you saying Vegas puts up bad odds to encourage gambling? Wouldn't they lose money that way?

I'm pretty sure Vegas tries to make the odds as likely as possible. Obviously, it's called gambling for a reason, but if Vegas is just pulling numbers out of their ass, they'd lose a lot of money.

[BillsCarnage]

in all of my years watching and betting on sports, I have never heard of ANYONE making a claim that a team that was favored by "the line" was actually an underdog.

Saturday Sept. 10, 2006...
The ASU Sun Devils were the "underdog" against #5 LSU. The game was originally slated to take place in Baton Rouge, however due to hurricane Katrina the game was moved to Tempe. ASU was clearly an underdog, by 7pts i believe. Once the game moved so many people started betting on ASU - since it was a home game - that that it actually flipped the line in ASU's favor. By game time i believe the line was even or maybe back to LSU's favor.

[MadDog73]

Saturday Sept. 10, 2006...
The ASU Sun Devils were the "underdog" against #5 LSU. The game was originally slated to take place in Baton Rouge, however due to hurricane Katrina the game was moved to Tempe. ASU was clearly an underdog, by 7pts i believe. Once the game moved so many people started betting on ASU - since it was a home game - that that it actually flipped the line in ASU's favor. By game time i believe the line was even or maybe back to LSU's favor.

Who won?

[picnroll]

Katrina

[BillsCarnage]

LSU on 4th & 9 the tigers connected for a 35yrd TD.

It hurt.

[JMarkJohns]

I'm not sure I follow you. Are you saying Vegas puts up bad odds to encourage gambling? Wouldn't they lose money that way?

I'm pretty sure Vegas tries to make the odds as likely as possible. Obviously, it's called gambling for a reason, but if Vegas is just pulling numbers out of their ass, they'd lose a lot of money.

I'm not saying they put up bad odds. I'm saying they put up odds that make you question them, thus evoking response and for most who follow gambling, the response is, [/i]"I'll take some of that action"[/i].

They obviously know what they are doing. They have some of the best minds in the business, but they want to inspire a person to bet.

However, what I'm saying is their odds shouldn't be used as a prediction for overall outcomes.

[pussyface]

bump this thread. jmarkjohns making more crazy contentions, such as that las vegas odds are not indicative of who can be considered the consensus favorite/underdog.

also try his "Dallas: Taking a Step Back" thread for a good laugh and brief lesson in logic.

[JMarkJohns]

pussy, I got your goat and I aint' giving it back!!!

I think I'll sell it off, though it's probably as worthless as your opinions...

[JMarkJohns]

JMARKJOHNS is my official spurstalk nemisis.

Spurs fan

Well put JMarkJohns.

pussyface is Monty Python's Black Knight of internet jousting. With no arms, no legs left he'll call it a draw.

Damn good post. That was spot on.

JMark with da gunz blazing!

Well i'll be damn...I go to work and look who finally shows up?

What's your excuse Pussyface? JM called you out and now u just replying???

Leave it to Mavs fan to disparage the Amare-less Suns for finding a way back to the WCF.

The worst fanbase ever.

Mavs fan

In agreement with you...Some Mavs fans are completely delusional.

...I think fans like "pussyface" look cowardly when they talk so much smack and then disappear... but those type of fans arent real fans in my book. The real fans are there always. Never jumpin ship...

Kings fan

JMarkJohns is the .

Suns fan

Current score JMark 1, face 0

We'll call this a best of 3.

JMark = 2

Face = 0

This is getting to be ridiculous. At this point it's argument for argument's sake. JMark has got stats, facts, and actualities on his side, meanwhile face basically argues with his backup being a discredited opinion.

LJMSCONTROLLINAO

Gotta say that pussface has been playing the role of "nail" to JM's hammer rather well thus far.

JM w/ the hammer yet again.