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    Who would you rather see in the starting lineup...Oberto, Javkotas...or Horry?
    None of the above. That's what this summer was supposed to address.

    I still think it's because of the money...There are rumours of problems between Wallace and Flip, but nothing that is substantial...Plus there are a bunch of articles stating that Ben was not happy with the offer of the Pistons, period...nothing to do with the coach...He wanted a longer contract, more money, etc...If the Pistons gave him exactly what the Bulls had offered, then I think he would have stayed just fine...

    Anyway, then again, who knows...
    It's much easier for the Detroit press to call Ben a greedy er on his way out of town than admit their team has internal issues and a dumbass coach.

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    We can start with Oberto, and Horry, Bonner and Javtokas from the Bench

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    I think the straw was when they pulled the final offer card.

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    You would throw Javkotas into the fire?
    Absolutely.

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    None of the above. That's what this summer was supposed to address.
    Unfortunately, it hasn't.

    So assuming we still don't add anybody...you have to stick someby in. I would go with Horry.

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    If we're going to stick someone in, stick Javtokas in.

    Save Horry on the off chance you need him in the post-season to help save the day, instead of burning him out by December and having nothing left for the playoffs.

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    I guess this opens the door for Malik to come back

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    We don't need no stinkin' centers!

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    If we're going to stick someone in, stick Javtokas in.

    Save Horry on the off chance you need him in the post-season to help save the day, instead of burning him out by December and having nothing left for the playoffs.

    I don't know.

    The more I think about it the better it sounds, I'm just uncomfortable sticking a rookie into that spot. With TP we had AD, with Manu we had...who was it? Somebody. With Javkotas I guess our fallback is Horry.




    Go for it.

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    Nazr ING Mohammed

    Are you kidding me? This is the news I come home to today? Good lord help us!

    LMAO! I'm actually more upset that we signed Nazr than I was last night when we lost Ben.

    I thought for sure we were going to get Pryz.

    I would have rathered played the guys we have. Get them all in the rotation. Sheed, Dice, Davis and Maxiell. Amir Johnson could have played some PF for us depending on matchups aswell. We would have been fine for one year with those guys. More ... and better ... options would have been available to us next year.

    Nazr may be the only big in the L that has worse hands than Ben. And can he actually play more than 25-30 minutes without fouling out?

    He may start, but we will still have to play guys like Dice and Davis. This makes little sense to me.

    Jeeeeez. What a bad move. I would have prefered Rasho.

    I really thought we were going to transition to more of a smaller, up tempo game plan. But this signing leads me to believe we are simply going to replace Bne with Nazr. And you don't need to be Nostradamus to realize that that is not going to work.

    Well, welcome to Detroit Nazr. Hopefully you can bring 12 and 9 like you did in Atlanta in 2000.

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    Nazr ING Mohammed

    Are you kidding me? This is the news I come home to today? Good lord help us!

    LMAO! I'm actually more upset that we signed Nazr than I was last night when we lost Ben.
    Yeah, that's gotta suck.

    Although I'm trying to figure out if Nazr > Nothing or if Nothing > Nazr in regards to the Spurs.

    Hrmmmmm...

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    Nazr ING Mohammed

    Are you kidding me? This is the news I come home to today? Good lord help us!

    LMAO! I'm actually more upset that we signed Nazr than I was last night when we lost Ben.

    I thought for sure we were going to get Pryz.

    I would have rathered played the guys we have. Get them all in the rotation. Sheed, Dice, Davis and Maxiell. Amir Johnson could have played some PF for us depending on matchups aswell. We would have been fine for one year with those guys. More ... and better ... options would have been available to us next year.

    Nazr may be the only big in the L that has worse hands than Ben. And can he actually play more than 25-30 minutes without fouling out?

    He may start, but we will still have to play guys like Dice and Davis. This makes little sense to me.

    Jeeeeez. What a bad move. I would have prefered Rasho.

    I really thought we were going to transition to more of a smaller, up tempo game plan. But this signing leads me to believe we are simply going to replace Bne with Nazr. And you don't need to be Nostradamus to realize that that is not going to work.

    Well, welcome to Detroit Nazr. Hopefully you can bring 12 and 9 like you did in Atlanta in 2000.

    Don't be so down. There'll be that 5 second stretch in the season when he looks like a young DRob.

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    Don't be so down. There'll be that 5 second stretch in the season when he looks like a young DRob.

    I know I know. We'll see the occasional 20-25 point game from him and everyone will be clammering for him to get 20 shots a game.

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    I know I know. We'll see the occasional 20-25 point game from him and everyone will be clammering for him to get 20 shots a game.
    30/16 against the Suns this year. Just wait.

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    30/16 against the Suns this year. Just wait.
    Great ... I can't wait!


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    Just because it hasn't been posted yet ...

    http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/b....265c9d48.html

    UPDATED: Nazr Mohammed goes to Detroit

    Web Posted: 07/04/2006 05:06 PM CDT
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    Spurs coach Gregg Popovich likes to joke that Tim Duncan hates being called a center. Next season, Duncan might not have much choice.

    Nazr Mohammed, who started at center during the Spurs’ 2005 championship run, left the team Tuesday after agreeing to a four-year, $25 million contract with Detroit.

    Mohammed’s decision came shortly after Joel Przybilla turned down an offer from the Pistons to return to Portland for a five-year, $32 million deal.

    The Spurs also had talked to Przybilla but weren’t willing to offer him more than four years. Team officials also were willing to let Mohammed go instead of risk overpaying someone who played sparingly in last season’s playoffs.

    Excluding Alonzo Mourning, who is expected to retire or re-sign with Miami, Utah’s Jarron Collins is probably the best center left on the market.

    Though the Spurs still have their $5 million exception to spend, team officials have said they aren’t adverse to beginning the season with Duncan, Fabricio Oberto and Lithuanian Robertas Javtokas manning the center position as a committee.

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    Though the Spurs still have their $5 million exception to spend, team officials have said they aren’t adverse to beginning the season with Duncan, Fabricio Oberto and Lithuanian Robertas Javtokas manning the center position as a committee.
    Sweet!

    Holt can save $5M. This has all the makings of a great summer.

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    The Spurs also had talked to Przybilla but weren’t willing to offer him more than four years. Team officials also were willing to let Mohammed go instead of risk overpaying someone who played sparingly in last season’s playoffs.

    I wish Joe D was that smart today.

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    Excluding Alonzo Mourning, who is expected to retire or re-sign with Miami, Utah’s Jarron Collins is probably the best center left on the market.
    I think there's probably a couple guys ahead of Jarron Collins

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    The Collins twins are good low post defenders. Perhaps two of the top ten best in the league. The other Collins always has off the charts +/- numbers but this Collins isn't as good.

    At this point Sean Marks might be the best free agent center.


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    Hey wait a second. Jarron Collins had the second best +/- numbers on the Jazz next to AK and had far and away the best defensive numbers.

    Hmmmmmmmmmmmm...


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    Back to the Teal Era Piston fans

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    OK, let me get this straight. For over a year I've watched people and whine about Rasho and his huge contract, despite the fact that he was a servicable center, and frankly the only one left available in 2003 because of the glaring hole created by DRob's retirement. Time again, ing and ing about his contract weighing us down and how we needed a better center, without regard to the fact that a better center was not available.

    And now there's a group of you who are so desperate to sign a center that you are willing to overpay a Rasho clone like Przybilla just to have someone? It's not about Holt being cheap.

    The irony is delicious. And almost as funny as Detriot signing Nazr. I, for one, will not miss Butterfingers Mohammed.

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    And now there's a group of you who are so desperate to sign a center that you are willing to overpay a Rasho clone like Przybilla just to have someone? It's not about Holt being cheap.
    STOP!

    Your common sense is not wanted here.

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    And almost as funny as Detriot signing Nazr. I, for one, will not miss Butterfingers Mohammed.

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