Mahinmi and Scola to meet

[Mr. Body]

He'd have far more impact than any other player on the Spurs' bench right now. With a bench we might be able to compete with Dallas.

[RC's Boss]

No doubt,and that tells you how cheap Holt is,cause the spurs wouldn´t pay Scola´s actual team the reminding of his contract to bring him to the NBA.Stupids

They can't pay his buyout. i forgot the amount, but it's a limit. Teams wanting to buy him out of his contract would have to allow him to pay it buy giving him a HUGE contract, which I wouldn't do if I were Holt or Cuban, cheap or a big spender.

[RC's Boss]

The draw of second phase of the euroleague (the top 16) has been announced yesterday.

Scolas' team (Vitoria) and Mahinmi's one (Pau-Horthez) are in the same group (4 groups of four), which means they gonna meet twice.
I suppose it's gonna be more simple for the spurs FO to follow them...

It's a good thing for Mahinmi that Pau is qualified for the top 16, which was not sure at the beginning of the season, cos he's gonna experience the high level in euroleague and will certainly learn in the process.

We'll see if he can continue to progress and play well like he is playing since the beginning of the year and what he can do against Europe top bigs, like Scola, at his still young age.

Wow, I'm pissing my britches to watch that

[mountainballer]

They can't pay his buyout. i forgot the amount, but it's a limit. Teams wanting to buy him out of his contract would have to allow him to pay it buy giving him a HUGE contract, which I wouldn't do if I were Holt or Cuban, cheap or a big spender.

just read some of the posts and you learn what the limit is (500K), what the buy-out was last year (3.5 M) and how this "HUGE" contract would have looked (9-10 millions over 3 years). if you call a contract, that happens to be just half of the average NBA salary "HUGE", how do you call a MLE contract or even a max contract?
and btw. Cuban would have payed this kind of money. and noone would call him big spender for this.

[RC's Boss]

Spending your entire MLE on one unproven player is HUGE! Even though he has personal issues, Bonzi Wells got the full MLE (I think or close to it), but he's a proven NBA player. i didn't mean they'd throw a max contract to the guy. Giving him enough money to pay his own buyout would be too expensive. If I'm not mistaken, Scola wanted more than 3 mil per year.

[Mr. Body]

Spending your entire MLE on one unproven player is HUGE! Even though he has personal issues, Bonzi Wells got the full MLE (I think or close to it), but he's a proven NBA player. i didn't mean they'd throw a max contract to the guy. Giving him enough money to pay his own buyout would be too expensive. If I'm not mistaken, Scola wanted more than 3 mil per year.

I'm not sure you read a single post in this thread.

[objective]

Spending your entire MLE on one unproven player is HUGE! Even though he has personal issues, Bonzi Wells got the full MLE (I think or close to it), but he's a proven NBA player. i didn't mean they'd throw a max contract to the guy. Giving him enough money to pay his own buyout would be too expensive. If I'm not mistaken, Scola wanted more than 3 mil per year.

lol

1. Scola wasn't asking for the full MLE, just more than half of it.

2. Wells signed for 2.1 million this season, with a player option for next year, and that's less than half the MLE.

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It doesn't matter what Scola's buyout is, though I trust the Express News' numbers. His buyout could be $100 million, that doesn't matter because that's Scola's responsibility to pay off loans to whatever bank loans him the money. What matters is what Scola will accept. If he accepts a contract for 3/9-10, then who cares how much of it he has to pay towards a buyout, that's his responsibility. It doesn't matter if it puts him in debt for the rest of his life, what matters is the NBA team's end of the deal (not the Spurs because they refuse to sign him). What matters is getting playing under an NBA deal. What he does to pay off a loan is his business.

[mountainballer]

Spending your entire MLE on one unproven player is HUGE! Even though he has personal issues, Bonzi Wells got the full MLE (I think or close to it), but he's a proven NBA player. i didn't mean they'd throw a max contract to the guy. Giving him enough money to pay his own buyout would be too expensive. If I'm not mistaken, Scola wanted more than 3 mil per year.

jeeezz, just go back some posts, before claiming things that are wrong and stupid.
the MLE is about 5 million! the Scola contract would have started slightly above half of this number.
Wells didn't get the MLE, not even half of it, but this is another story. Wells was just ill-adviced, he refused to sign a 5 years contract with a average salary of 7 million per year with the Kings and then waited to long till no other team had cap space left.
and you are mistaken. Scola wanted just a contract that payed him 3 million per year.

[Josepatches]

some were stars in Europe (like for example Manu and Nocioni) and became also stars in the NBA.
some were stars there and didn't succeed in the NBA (Maciauskas, Jasikevicious)
some were stars, but not in the Euroleague MVP or 1st team category (like Manu, Scola and Saras were) and became quite decent NBA players (Garbajosa, Calderon)

Garbajosa was a star in Europe (he was a star in Treviso when he played in Italy)and he was the MVP of the spanish league's finals.Calderon played with Scola in Tau Victoria,a 1st team category in Europe and he was the point guard of the team that won the World Championship in Japan.

About Saras Jasikevicius and Macce..well,they are great shooters(Saras was a great leader to his teammates in Europe too) but they were coached by Byron Scott and Carlisle so if you are not pretty good at defend......Now Saras is in Golden State and he has to fight with Baron Davis,Monta Ellis,Robertson,Richardson...He is old and he never could be as important as he was in Europe.

The problem is when you choose a player from Europe that never was important in his team here (I'm from Spain),like Korolev,Milicic,Lampe....

Scola is a really good player,of course he is better than Oberto and Elson.I can't understand why Spurs choose Oberto when Scola was waiting to play with us 2 years ago.I didn't understand then and I can't understand now.IMO he is small to the NBA but he has amazing moves in the post and he scores easily against bigger players.He doesn't have a decent shoot from more than 5 metres (about 18 foot) but I think that he has talent to be better.He is not good at rebound too (Oberto and Elson are better).Basically he is a great inside scorer but his defend is not as great and maybe that's not good if you are coached by Pop.
If you think in Nocioni or Calderon they never were as important as Scola in Victoria when they played together.
So Scola will be a great player to the Spurs 2 or 3 seasons (he is not young).

About Mahinmi.Well he is not Pau Gasol.It's better that he stays in Europe until he will be a star here (if he can be a star) because he is not going to play enought time in the NBA right now and that's not good for the young players.They are a lot of examples.

This weekend in Spain the best 8 teams in the league will play the COPA tournament (like a Final four but with 8),the 2nd important tournament behind the league.A lot of NBA scouters will be here and they could see Scola in action.

[RC's Boss]

lol

1. Scola wasn't asking for the full MLE, just more than half of it.

2. Wells signed for 2.1 million this season, with a player option for next year, and that's less than half the MLE.

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It doesn't matter what Scola's buyout is, though I trust the Express News' numbers. His buyout could be $100 million, that doesn't matter because that's Scola's responsibility to pay off loans to whatever bank loans him the money. What matters is what Scola will accept. If he accepts a contract for 3/9-10, then who cares how much of it he has to pay towards a buyout, that's his responsibility. It doesn't matter if it puts him in debt for the rest of his life, what matters is the NBA team's end of the deal (not the Spurs because they refuse to sign him). What matters is getting playing under an NBA deal. What he does to pay off a loan is his business.

Hey I'm no ing accountant or statistician. Whatever the amount was he was asking for, the fo didn't want to pay it. IMO I think it was the smart thing to do. His rebounding numbers would possibly go down further than they are now if he were playing in the NBA. He's not known for his D (like we need another big like that). And while I have no link, there was an article where I read he was looking for a contract that would allow him to pay for his buyout.

[mountainballer]

And while I have no link, there was an article where I read he was looking for a contract that would allow him to pay for his buyout.

LINK?

[timvp]

Garbajosa was a star in Europe (he was a star in Treviso when he played in Italy)and he was the MVP of the spanish league's finals.

Exactly. And that's why Scola is a risk. George Garbage was a star in Europe, but in the NBA he's a no defense playing big man chucker who doesn't hit shots or rebound.

Undersized power forwards like Marcus Fizer and Michael Wright can dominate in Europe because European post defense is softer and shorter than NBA post defense. Unless you really suck, any NBDL level bigman or above can put up stats in Europe. Especially small power forwards.

That's what Scola is. And that's why the Spurs aren't going to throw away money on a guy who could very well end up being Malik Allen with less size.

[Mr. Body]

You tell 'em. They'd much rather throw money away on Scola's less impressive teammate 'Fabulous' Fabricio Oberto.

[ArgSpursFan]

Spending your entire MLE on one unproven player is HUGE! .

Unproven????
the guy is not a 21 yrs old kid.He´s got an Olympic gold medal in his chest and a 2nd. Place in a world Championship.
Unproven would be a roockie who just got off college and was playing against ¨Other Kids¨on the NCAA.the year before.

[ArgSpursFan]

Exactly. And that's why Scola is a risk. George Garbage was a star in Europe, but in the NBA he's a no defense playing big man chucker who doesn't hit shots or rebound.

Undersized power forwards like Marcus Fizer and Michael Wright can dominate in Europe because European post defense is softer and shorter than NBA post defense. Unless you really suck, any NBDL level bigman or above can put up stats in Europe. Especially small power forwards.

That's what Scola is. And that's why the Spurs aren't going to throw away money on a guy who could very well end up being Malik Allen with less size.

So, you still think that Malik Rose could grab 15 to 20 boards in any league in the rest of the world???
you are so wrong my friend.Like I told you before The GAB between the NBA and rest of the world has gotten shortter tham 15 or 20 years ago.I guess you still think that USA team has the DREAM TEAM and the other countries could do against them.
You are so wrong.
malik Rose wouldn´t been able to play even as a STARTER right now on any team on euroleague.May be on his prime years but not right now.
so,wake up!!

[RC's Boss]

Unproven????
the guy is not a 21 yrs old kid.He´s got an Olympic gold medal in his chest and a 2nd. Place in a world Championship.
Unproven would be a roockie who just got off college and was playing against ¨Other Kids¨on the NCAA.the year before.

Unproven is anyone that has never played NBA ball. It's not to disrespect international leagues either (especially in the olympics). They seem to have a better team concept, but in the NBA guys are like Lee majors in the Bionic Man... quicker, stronger, faster. His offense would not be the same. Manu is a very good player in the NBA, but he could go overseas now and kill all comp.

[Kori Ellis]

How does the Round of 16 work? Is it round-robin? Double-elimination?

Thanks in advance.

[Mr. Body]

Last I looked Toronto was pretty happy with Garbs. He shoots too many threes, so his percentages isn't as high as it should be. Without 3s he's shooting .46. Not bad. He'll be even better next year. But whatever, timvp doesn't like Scola. Not a big deal.

[timvp]

So, you still think that Malik Rose could grab 15 to 20 boards in any league in the rest of the world???
you are so wrong my friend.Like I told you before The GAB between the NBA and rest of the world has gotten shortter tham 15 or 20 years ago.I guess you still think that USA team has the DREAM TEAM and the other countries could do against them.
You are so wrong.
malik Rose wouldn´t been able to play even as a STARTER right now on any team on euroleague.May be on his prime years but not right now.
so,wake up!!

Yeah, Malik Rose isn't as good as Michael Wright or Marcus Fizer.

Name me one smallish power forward who came to the US from Europe and played well.

[velik_m]

How does the Round of 16 work? Is it round-robin? Double-elimination?

Thanks in advance.

4 groups of 4, round-robin home and away, top 2 from each group advance.

then it's "playoffs", winners of groups play the second placed on 2 wins ( home, away, home).

then it's final four.

[Kori Ellis]

4 groups of 4, round-robin home and away, top 2 from each group advance.

then it's "playoffs", winners of groups play the second placed on 2 wins ( home, away, home).

then it's final four.

Thanks very much.

[RC's Boss]

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[Kori Ellis]

Last I looked Toronto was pretty happy with Garbs. He shoots too many threes, so his percentages isn't as high as it should be. Without 3s he's shooting .46. Not bad. He'll be even better next year. But whatever, timvp doesn't like Scola. Not a big deal.

I don't think he likes or dislikes him.

I'm undecided on Scola because the power forward position in Europe can't be compared to the power forward position in the NBA. Malik Rose could go to Europe right now and average 30 and 15.

That said, the biggest plus for Scola in my book is that he's always played well against the US NT. In the game this summer, he was the best player on the court in the first quarter.

Might not mean much but it's a good sign that he comes up big in big games.

[timvp]

Last I looked Toronto was pretty happy with Garbs. He shoots too many threes, so his percentages isn't as high as it should be. Without 3s he's shooting .46. Not bad. He'll be even better next year. But whatever, timvp doesn't like Scola. Not a big deal.

Garbajosa not only shoots under 30% on threes, he averages 7 boards per 40 minutes. That's the worst rate for any bigman in the NBA who averages at least 25 minutes.

Yeah, I'm sure the Raptors are thrilled with a $12M bigman three-point shooter who is shooting at a Beno level from beyond the arc and is the worst rebounding big in the league.

I don't understand how you think failures such as Garbajosa and Oberto somehow help Scola's chances of signing for big money.

Bottomline is Scola is looking to be the highest paid second round draft pick in NBA history before he steps foot onto an NBA court. Arvydas freakin' Sabonis took a three-year, $7M deal to come into the league.

Not only is Scola a risky prospect, he wants to be the richest second rounder in league history. What don't you understand?

[RC's Boss]

I don't think he likes or dislikes him.

If he were to come at the time for the money Oberto got then yeah, I'm for it. I think Fabio makes too much money. Look at Hermann (think it's spelled correctly) in Washington, oh wait you can't look at him, he's not playing