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So tell me P&G...when all the world, excepting myself, finally gets on the exact same page so Socialism Can work...
I am gonna say you. I am gonna go take my fishing rod and go sit by a pond and fish...I will build my own house. I will play my own music, make my own drugs or other party materials...I will not ask anyone for a single thing...
If someone should visit me I will be a cordial host, their girlfriend, and share what I have fairly generously...but what I won't do...is be a part of that society.
I am just going to sit there in front of you doing what I want and asking no one for anything...
What will you do then?
You know...when someone else says...that might be kind of nice to do.
Will you kill me?
Will you throw me in prison for ing the whole thing up?
Will you force me to live as everyone else?
What will you do...
Now tell me who the ing selfish one is again...
And I don't ask anyone to live as an ant...it's just there are a lot of you that want to live that way....I say go do it. By all means...live the way you choose. I won't call you selfish for living accoring to your beliefs if you don't call me selfish for living according to mine.
Get all the hollywood lefties to bankroll it...and all the poor to go benefit from it...just do it.
But the second that wall goes up...it becomes the absolute worst form of government in existence...even worse than the Islamic Theocracies.
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The Chavez-Giuliani connection...
Giuliani Law Firm Lobbies in Texas for Chavez-Controlled Citgo
By Henry Goldman and Jonathan D. Salant
March 14 (Bloomberg)Bloomberg-- Rudolph Giuliani's law firm lobbies for Citgo Petroleum Corp., a unit of the state-owned oil company controlled by Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, the U.S.'s chief antagonist in the Western Hemisphere.
Bracewell & Giuliani LLP registered to lobby for Citgo in Texas on April 26, 2005, less than a month after the former New York mayor joined the firm and became a name partner, state records show. Citgo renewed the contract in 2006 and 2007 and pays the firm $5,000 a month to track legislation. Giuliani doesn't lobby, the firm says.
The law firm's representation of Citgo comes as Chavez's relations with the U.S. have grown increasingly hostile. He has called President George W. Bush a ``devil'' and a ``madman'' and staged a mass, anti-American rally in Buenos Aires during Bush's trip to Latin America, which ends today.
Patrick Oxford, a managing partner at Bracewell & Giuliani, said Giuliani, a Republican presidential hopeful, has no dealings with the Venezuelan-owned oil company. ``He has not seen hide nor hair of Citgo,'' Oxford said.
Giuliani's presidential-exploratory committee released a statement that didn't address written questions asking whether he knew his firm did business with Houston-based Citgo and whether he considered it appropriate. The e-mailed statement discussed his views toward Chavez and energy policy.
``Mayor Giuliani has been clear and consistent -- Hugo Chavez is no friend of the United States,'' campaign spokeswoman Katie Levinson said in the statement. ``Chief among the reasons Chavez has so much influence around the world is our ongoing dependence on foreign oil.''
No Disclosure
Giuliani, 62, has been active in business since leaving office at the end of 2001, making speeches, running a security- consulting company and an investment bank, and joining the Houston-based law firm. He hasn't yet had to file public disclosures of his client lists, income or holdings.
The U.S. State Department said in May that Venezuela was ``not fully cooperating with counter-terrorism efforts,'' and the U.S. government banned arms sales to the country.
Citgo has been fully owned by Venezuela's national oil company, Petroleos de Venezuela SA (PDVSA), since 1990. Chavez, 52, who earlier this year won the authority to supersede the Venezuelan legislature, has the power to appoint and fire PDVSA's top executives and set policy for the company.
Paying Dividends
Citgo spokesman David McCollum said PDVSA supplies Citgo with crude oil to refine and sell. ``We do pay dividends to them as any subsidiary does to its parent company,'' he said.
Venezuela is the third-largest oil producer in OPEC.
Texas Ethics Commission filings show Citgo paid Bracewell & Giuliani between $75,000 and $150,000 in 2005-06 and will pay an additional $50,000 to $100,000 this year. The firm monitors such issues as environmental regulation and taxes, Oxford said.
Bracewell & Patterson, the predecessor firm to Bracewell & Giuliani, did legal work for PDVSA in the 1990s, before Chavez came to power, and for Citgo before Giuliani arrived in 2005, Oxford said.
Oxford called Citgo ``an old-time U.S. company,'' saying it pays U.S. taxes and employs 5,000 people in the U.S., mainly in Texas.
In September, 7-Eleven Inc., which once owned Citgo, dropped the oil company as its gasoline supplier, citing in part Chavez's hostile rhetoric toward the U.S.
Building an Image
The law firm's association with a Venezuelan company may affect Giuliani's image, which was burnished by his role in coordinating New York's response after the 2001 terrorist attacks, said Linda Fowler, a professor of government at Dartmouth College in Hanover, New Hampshire.
The question, Fowler said, ``is how Rudy reconciles his heroic role as mayor of a devastated New York with the less appealing image of the corporate shill.''
Giuliani forged his post-Sept. 11 persona with such acts as rejecting a $10 million contribution for disaster relief from Saudi Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Bin Abdul Aziz, after the prince said the U.S. should ``adopt a more balanced stand toward the Palestinian cause.''
A Richmond Times-Dispatch editorial last month contrasted Giuliani's gesture with former U.S. Representative Joseph Kennedy II -- son of the late U.S. Senator Robert Kennedy and president of the nonprofit Citizens Energy Corp. Kennedy has appeared in television commercials thanking Venezuela for providing discounted oil to heat homes of low-income U.S. residents.
The Feb. 15 editorial reminded readers that Giuliani ``scorned money he considered tainted.''
Think about it...
And why are you so scared of Guilianni anyway? Could be worse. Should be better than W from your POV.
Only a died in the wool party loyalist worries about the opposing party at this stage.
You mean a company doing billions of dollars worth of business in the United States needs legal representation? My God, I'm moving to Australia, this is terrible news. How dare they?
Kinda makes Obama's investment argument look silly, in terms of magnitude.
I'm an elitist because I don't want communism to take over my country?
Ok
P&G, unfortunately you have no clue what went on in Argentina in the 1970s. You judge those events from a comfortable sofa in your socal house, far removed from the realities of a dirty war.
And you keep saying I trivialize what Videla and Pinochet when you keep showing your bias by not condemning the terrorists the way you condenm the military. Terrorists killed many people but I guess it makes you look cool to blame everything on the military.
Again, go yourself, take the first plane to Caracas and live the bolivarian revolution like a man: in Venezuela.
it always amazes me how people can talk with such authority about something they know ABSOLUTELY nothing about! Purple & Gold, you are, as has been stated here before an ASSHAT!! Go live in Venezuela for a few years and then come talk to me about all the "good" things Chavez has done for the country! Un- ing-believable!
P.S. Smeagol, how can you be surprised at Chavez being allowed to hold an anti-american rally here in Argentina? we're talking about a country where when Castro came, he was treated as a celebrity rather than the dictator he is... I have to say with every passing election, I lose hope in the Argentinian people's ability to choose adequate leadership and role models... I swear, we need to get invaded or something
Manumaniac, you are an elitist
And who do you think will be looked to for help when both Argentina and Venezuela become the socialist, dictatorial backwater countries they're bound for?
P.S. Smeagol, how can you be surprised at Chavez being allowed to hold an anti-american rally here in Argentina? we're talking about a country where when Castro came, he was treated as a celebrity rather than the dictator he is... I have to say with every passing election, I lose hope in the Argentinian people's ability to choose adequate leadership and role models... I swear, we need to get invaded or something
Yeah, well, don't hold your breath if Democrats control any branch of the U. S. Government.
big ing stretch right there don't you think son? Kirschner might be a left leening, useless SOB, but he's not dictatorial. Do your homework before you start spewing bull around Yoni.And who do you think will be looked to for help when both Argentina and Venezuela become the socialist, dictatorial backwater countries they're bound for?
We would just invade, occupy and nation-build like we do in the case of every dictatorship, right Yoni?
Kirchner is useless; Yoni is ignorant.
Life goes on.
Yeah, CD, you know us the bad old US of A. All we do
is look for some country to take over and take advantage of.
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