Our big 3 vs Mavs big 3

[Bruno]

It's kinda stupid to compare teams by comparing players by players.
People, who do that, haven't understood the team concept in BB.

Anyway, if Spurs beat Suns in the WCSF, Spurs will face Mavs in the WCF : we will have 7 games to judge which team is the best.

[Testing]

Unfortunately you need more than 3 players to win a championship. In fact you need more than 6 players contributing to win a championship. Just Ask Phoenix, who's brilliant coach chooses not to give much playing time beyond 6 players.

And yes before you say the Mavs lost too, i realize that. But i am talking about teams that you guys played.

As far as the Spurs top 3 vs. the Mavs top 3.......that for me is a push.

Dirk vs. Duncan.....push
Jho vs. Ginobli.....edge JHo
Harris vs. Parker....edge Parker

The Next 3

Finley vs. Jett.....edge Jett
Horry vs Stack........edge Stack
Oberto vs. Damp.......push

The Spurs vs. the Mavs are just about dead even and it depends upon who plays above their normal game on any given day, that's who wins. That is why it is Always a great game when the 2 meet.

How can you possibly even believe that, no matter how much you love and believe in your team? That makes no sense to me whatsoever.

First off, what in your right mind makes you believe that Tim Duncan and Dirk Nowitski might be a "push?" Duncan has led his team to 4 championships, I have never ever ever seen him choke away in 2 straight playoff series like Dirk, more so than that Duncan's defense alone changes the whole mentality of his team. Does Dirk do that for Dallas? I think not.

As for Howard and Ginobili being a "push." That too is a joke. I guess it depends on what quarter of the game you are watching and whether its a regular season game or playoff game. Josh Howard averages about 15 ppg in the first half of games and 2.3 ppg in the 4th quarter of games. Ginobili on the flip side is one of the most clutchest players in the 4th quarter of NBA games we have today. You don't believe me? See him play in the 2005 and 2007 NBA Finals as well as numerous other games. That's not even begining to mention the intagibles he brings to the team....his energy, hustle play, and creative offense all change the whole mentality of the Spurs team....Howard rebounds the ball well and plays decent defense, but can you honestly say he has the same positive affect on the Mavs that Ginobili does....and that's coming off the bench.

Comparing individual players one on one as someone mentioned is pretty useless without looking at the whole picture. And the whole picture clearly indicates that except for a few breaks that could have gone either way in 2006, Spurs are clearly the better overall team than the Mavs. They have quality players who know how to show up in big games, they have a coach who defines them, they play defense every night better than anyone else in the league, and their offense is highly underrated. You can't make comparisons to the Mavs especially after the 2 seasons they've had....thats an insult to the Spurs and fellow basketball fans who appreciate good basketball and have knowledge of the game.

[samikeyp]

When the NBA championship is won by playing three on three, this thread will make some sense. Otherwise this is bull !

Agreed.

[41times]

How can you possibly even believe that, no matter how much you love and believe in your team? That makes no sense to me whatsoever.

First off, what in your right mind makes you believe that Tim Duncan and Dirk Nowitski might be a "push?" Duncan has led his team to 4 championships, I have never ever ever seen him choke away in 2 straight playoff series like Dirk, more so than that Duncan's defense alone changes the whole mentality of his team. Does Dirk do that for Dallas? I think not.

As for Howard and Ginobili being a "push." That too is a joke. I guess it depends on what quarter of the game you are watching and whether its a regular season game or playoff game. Josh Howard averages about 15 ppg in the first half of games and 2.3 ppg in the 4th quarter of games. Ginobili on the flip side is one of the most clutchest players in the 4th quarter of NBA games we have today. You don't believe me? See him play in the 2005 and 2007 NBA Finals as well as numerous other games. That's not even begining to mention the intagibles he brings to the team....his energy, hustle play, and creative offense all change the whole mentality of the Spurs team....Howard rebounds the ball well and plays decent defense, but can you honestly say he has the same positive affect on the Mavs that Ginobili does....and that's coming off the bench.

Comparing individual players one on one as someone mentioned is pretty useless without looking at the whole picture. And the whole picture clearly indicates that except for a few breaks that could have gone either way in 2006, Spurs are clearly the better overall team than the Mavs. They have quality players who know how to show up in big games, they have a coach who defines them, they play defense every night better than anyone else in the league, and their offense is highly underrated. You can't make comparisons to the Mavs especially after the 2 seasons they've had....thats an insult to the Spurs and fellow basketball fans who appreciate good basketball and have knowledge of the game.

I guess what makes me believe it is History. Check the records over the last 2 years. These teams and players have played each other 15 times in the last 2 years and i think the Mavs are 9 & 6 over that 15 games. I also think Dirk has absolutely killed you guys during that 2 years. So i really should give him the edge over Duncan but i called it a push.

Feel free to check the stats of those 15 games and prove me wrong. I don't think you can.....

[StumpClassic]

I guess what makes me believe it is History. Check the records over the last 2 years. These teams and players have played each other 15 times in the last 2 years and i think the Mavs are 9 & 6 over that 15 games. I also think Dirk has absolutely killed you guys during that 2 years. So i really should give him the edge over Duncan but i called it a push.

Feel free to check the stats of those 15 games and prove me wrong. I don't think you can.....

I think you're argument is inherently wrong - that's kinda like saying that Big Z killed Duncan this year, so the Cavs had a chance to win against the Spurs in the Playoffs.

Are you really discounting the fact that Duncan has 4 Rings?

[Findog]

I think you're argument is inherently wrong - that's kinda like saying that Big Z killed Duncan this year, so the Cavs had a chance to win against the Spurs in the Playoffs.

Are you really discounting the fact that Duncan has 4 Rings?

Well, I don't speak for the other poster, but yeah, Duncan > Dirk. In terms of what they do to each other's teams head to head, yeah, it's a push.

[StumpClassic]

Well, I don't speak for the other poster, but yeah, Duncan > Dirk. In terms of what they do to each other's teams head to head, yeah, it's a push.

The only way I can see it's a push is if you're referencing their respective performances in Mavs vs. Spurs games, since they rarely guard each other.

Otherwise, if you're calling Duncan vs. Dirk as overall players a push, c'mon, there's no comparison.

[Findog]

The only way I can see it's a push is if you're referencing their respective performances in Mavs vs. Spurs games, since they rarely guard each other.

That's exactly what I'm saying. In terms of all-around game, of course Duncan > Dirk.

[Rummpd]

Winning, Winning and Winning that is all the consistency that is needed - the rest is BS as the league is filled with stat queens who cannot win!

[tmtcsc]

Winning, Winning and Winning that is all the consistency that is needed - the rest is BS as the league is filled with stat queens who cannot win!

Nicely said.

[vanvannen]

Winning, Winning and Winning that is all the consistency that is needed - the rest is BS as the league is filled with stat queens who cannot win!

KG, AI, VC anyone?

And don't give me the "KG never had good teammates" argument. He had Spree and Sam Cassell in their primes, and still could not make it.

[bdictjames]

KG, AI, VC anyone?

And don't give me the "KG never had good teammates" argument. He had Spree and Sam Cassell in their primes, and still could not make it.

At least AI got his team to the Finals. I wont say anything about KG, but VC really doesn't deserve to be paid that much in the Nets.

[Magic_Johnson]

KG, AI, VC anyone?

And don't give me the "KG never had good teammates" argument. He had Spree and Sam Cassell in their primes, and still could not make it.

well, AI went to the finals with nobody (maybe mutumbo )
and the first time he has good teamnates (melo'camby,nene) it's against the spurs
so it's not the same

[41times]

I think you're argument is inherently wrong - that's kinda like saying that Big Z killed Duncan this year, so the Cavs had a chance to win against the Spurs in the Playoffs.

Are you really discounting the fact that Duncan has 4 Rings?

No of course i am not discounting that fact i am ignoring it when it comes to this thread. All of the Spurs have accomplished more than the Mavs players. That is a given right?

This thread as i saw it was a question or discussion about which 3 was better than which 3 playing in a game right now. And over the last 2 years history has proved that it is basically a push or maybe a slight edge to the Mavs players in the form of 9 to 6? Same with the next 3 players. And that includes 8 regular season games and 7 playoff games.

The question as i see iit is if these players played now who is better or who would do better? That's how i saw it.

The spurs players have more rings, duh. That was not the question.

[WalterBenitez]

Mavs has no big three only the blondie, the rest sucks