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Who were they playing in those games? And, in your mind, could Dallas still beat those teams without Salvatore around?
I'm sure it had nothing to do with 4-20 from 3, 24 turnovers. 9 total assists, giving 28 fast break points and 48 points in the paint, right? I mean, it can't possibly be any combination of poor play that lead to the Warriors loss. It was all poor calls that cost them the game. And Fillmoe, were there ANY bad calls that went against Dallas? Even one? I'd like to see your answer.
Who were they playing in those games? And, in your mind, could Dallas still beat those teams without Salvatore around?
At one point in time they were The San Francisco Warriors. That was along time ago. I thought everyone knew they were from Oakland..... Who thinks they are from SF?
those stats are pretty much even with the mavericks stats.... mavs were 1-16 from the 3, had 15 turnovers and 15 total assists. GSW also had 28 fast break points and 42 in the paint....... the only huge difference was the free throws...... you can thank the refs for the win tonight.....
I was pulling for the Spurs to take out the Nuggets, but why do 99% of Spurs fans hate the Mavs so much? Did you hate them that much before last years playoffs?
I always root for Texas teams, with Spurs being ahead of the Rockets on my radar, but I have never understood why all the hate...
You mean 99% of the members on this board, at least everyone I know always root for the Texas team, as a matter of fact, my hubby had a softball game at 10:00pm and I went, wearing my Spurs jersey and sooo many people were all excited that the Spurs won, but they also wanted the Mavs to win.
Now, as for me- I don't like Jason Terry or Cuban....oh and the mav fans I encountered Last year. They were awful!
Everybody. They don't wanna say Oakland Warriors, it sounds too nasty so they say Golden State, whenever you hear the world Golden and California it's automcatically associated with SF (Gold Rush)
Last edited by E20; 04-26-2007 at 02:01 AM.
Against the Mavs in the playoffs, the Spurs are lifetime 11-4 against the Mavs in non-Salvatore games and 0-3 in Salvatore reffed games. Lifetime, the Mavs are far and away the best when Salvatore is on the officiating crew.
But yeah, I'm sure that it's all a coincidence.
The City was robbed....
that probably has to do with the fact that the Golden Gate Bridge is located in SF....... i don't know... I've never ran into a real NBA fan that didn't know the warriors are based out of Oakland.
the part where you called him some silly name like Maverette or whatever. there is a huge problem with using cuban's stats. first off, mavs didn't used to get the same number of calls (back when cuban did all his ing) than they now get, particularly nash and to some extent finley when they were mavericks so cuban's stats from early part of the 2000s are somewhat outdated. then there's the fact that you're ignoring the instances in which these refs give the same unbalanced calls to other teams. case in point....spurs/sonics 2005...game one in san antonio...salvatore crew officiating...spurs with 35 trips to the free throw line, sonics with 18 trips...oh, and maybe the reason the mavs win 90% of the time has something to do with being a good team, just like the spurs...goodnight
you wear that silly ass hat during every mavs game? i hope it brings you good luck because it makes you look like a dumb
Does it need to be pointed out once again that you are a ing re ?
If I'm a Mav fan, I retire Salvatore's ref jersey. No joke. You guys are almost unbeatable with him on the court. The only time you lose with him on the court is when he's not the crew chief.
The most consistent trend is that when Salvatore is on the court, the Mavs win 90%+ of the time. But yeah, you're right that nowadays that Mavs have much more respect from the refs ... especially in AAC.
Yeah I'm sure that had nothing to do with the Ray Allen getting injured and the game being over at halftime.
From 2001 until now, the Mavs are a .500 playoff team. With Salvatore, they are a .900+ playoff team.
That's two threads recently in which you've tried to be cute by swapping words around.
See what you can do with this one, Chuckles -
Suck your dead father's and go to bed.
You have no sense of humor I see.
Do the research and point out these games in which Salvatore has referee'd to a 90% win rate and then we'll discuss whether or not the Mavs could get the win without having some fictional help from the officials. If he really is such a cheerleader for the Mavs as you believe, then why did he make those calls against the team in last year's Finals? I mean, if he's obviously on the Mavs payroll, he wouldn't have made those calls would he?
We'd have a le if it weren't for Bennett Salvatore
I never said that Salvatore is on the Mavs' payroll. Go back and read.
I say that Salvatore turns games into free throw shooting contests. The Mavs are a historically great free throw shooting team. The Mavs usually win those free throw shooting contests.
Salvatore is such a bad ref he isn't smart enough to rig a game. But because of his tendencies, he makes the Mavs practically unbeatable.
I'm not going to qoute post #191, since it is not deserving.......but......
Last edited by Despot; 04-26-2007 at 02:26 AM. Reason: NVM misundertood who comment was aimed at
But would you say the same things about a Salvatore-called Suns game, seeing as they're generally up there in FT% as well? Those win/loss percentages should be somewhat close, then.
All in all, everyone knows that Salvatore is one of the worst out there. I agree that his tendencies will tend to favor teams that are better FT shooters, but it's a stretch to say that he plays favorites. He's a terrible official toward both teams when he's on the job.
Are you serious?
Mavs season was on the line and they got giftwrapped calls until they couldn't lose the game anymore.
I let you off the hook when you pulled the refs don't affect the game card about Spurs vs Mavs last year because I couldn't rewatch the games and couldn't remember the series play for play, but for you to come in here and keep trying to pretend that you and your fairy world where the Mavs are simply the aggressors and all calls are earned is rediculous.
You have blinders on. You'd get a lot more respect from me if you could just admit you got some calls, but it's coming to the point where Mavs could literally shoot 75 fts and you'd just say they were driving tough the whole game.
You need to either join the rest of us humans that can witness human interaction and see things that happen or you need to go to the looney bin to get unbrainwashed.
I feel like your Stern's niece. You got some George Orwell in you or something.
Last edited by kris; 04-26-2007 at 03:30 AM.
Far be it from me to correct timvp on much of anything, but I will correct one misstatement from earlier in this thread: Salvatore called one game during the 2006 WCSF and that was Game 6, which the Spurs won in Dallas. Salvatore did not officiate Game 3 of that series (which was a travesty) -- Joey Crawford, Bill Spooner, and Joe Derosa did.
In general, though, I agree with timvp and AHF that Salvatore has become a bagman official on the caliber of Bavetta. When there's a perception that a series needs to be evened up, it's remarkable how frequently Bavetta and Salvatore happen to show up and call those games. And it's remarkable how frequently the team that badly needs a win gets it in those cir stances. So remarkable, it's almost frightening.
To go back to Obstructed_View's comments - there are two problems with the ejections that I had (and neither were with the second Ts). One, the first ejections were questionable/laughable. I understand the point about SJax stepping away, but he didn't initiate anything. The wrong people were T'ed up on that brouhaha - Davis and SJax shouldn't have had their first T's to begin with. Did they lose their cool? Yeah. They both did. Did they complain anymore or act out anymore than any one Mav at any time? Nope. That's my second issue. Terry, Howard, Harris, etc. were complaining and ing as much or more but none of them were t'ed up. The entire thread has a history of the bad calls that were made in favor of the Mavs. So the fact the Mavs were ing at all just makes it harder to swallow that Davis and SJax get second t's and ejections.
Do I see this as a setting up in case we play them? No! I'm not looking that far ahead at this point. If we do play them, will this be at the back of my mind? No more than it ever is with these particular refs regardless of our opponet. Do I think there is a vast NBA conspiracy afoot here? Not really, but like this makes you wonder, doesn't it? I think David Stern would be much happier if we never ever played the Mavs and the Suns would win it all, but I don't think he'll take steps to ensure the refs make it happen.
A good team won't be phased by the bad calls, and will work to find their rhythm around it and hopefully rise over it. So if we get to a situation like that, I'll hope for the best with the Spurs.
But it would be a non-issue if this sort of biased reffing (for the people who should be winning, for the underdog, for the superstars, for the home team, for the refs favorite caller, for the team with the coach/owner who complains the loudest in the media) disappeared entirely.
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