Official Dallas Mavericks Offseason Speculation Thread

[Islymore]

What was that about the Spurs being a "classy" organization? Too bad it doesn't rub off on most of their fans. I also like how Spurs fans constantly say we're "envious" of them and are obsessed with them, then they make sure to litter up their forum with anti-Mavs threads as soon as they win their fourth le. Aren't we just as irrelevant as the other 29 teams that didn't get it done?

And I don't know about you, but I didn't watch a minute of their first-round series against Denver, I wasn't interested. And I was rooting for the Spurs to win their fourth le so Finley could finally be a champion. But they were watching us -- as soon as we beat the Warriors in Games 2 and 5, how many wailing and screeching threads complaining about the officiating came up? They're watching our games, screaming when we win, celebrating when we lose, and debasing themselves with anti-Mav threads when they win. Since the Spurs have been a much more successful franchise than the Mavs, I'm guessing that's a San Antonio-Dallas thing, not a Spurs-Mavs thing.

yeah... i kinda agree... didnt watch much of any of the Spurs series actually, didnt even catch any of the Finals games. I knew SA would win and I wanted Mike to win, could care less about the other Spurs, honestly. But to see him sooo happy, made me happy.

anyway - these threads will continue to pop up until the Mavs win a le, however unfortunate, it's still true. bc yes, we are irrelevant like the other 29 teams, but its easy to talk about Dallas given the past two upsets.

but even when the Mavs do win a le and it will be soon enuf, talk will become "4>1" or some like that... the fans make it a SA-Dallas thing, not the teams tho. there will always be threads like this.... eventually tho hopefully everyone will be with them *SOONER THAN LATER*...

[monosylab1k]

yawn, whatever. tunes change all the time based on how well a team is doing at any given moment.

This has been a complaint for a long time now. It has been YEARS now that every offseason Mavs fans have said "Dirk needs a post game" and he still hasn't got one (or at least a reliable one that can be used in the playoffs). After the Finals last year everyone said "quit being pussies and settling for jumpers" and one year later in the 1st round they proved that they learned NOTHING. To me, that shows some serious problems.

[Dirk Nowitzki]

This has been a complaint for a long time now. It has been YEARS now that every offseason Mavs fans have said "Dirk needs a post game" and he still hasn't got one (or at least a reliable one that can be used in the playoffs). After the Finals last year everyone said "quit being pussies and settling for jumpers" and one year later in the 1st round they proved that they learned NOTHING. To me, that shows some serious problems.

Thank you! For years the Mavs have needed an inside game. I love how everyone keeps thinking it isnt that big of a need. Dirk isnt a post player and will never be one. Even during regular season I had concerns about our lack of a post game. Name me a team who won a le excluding MJ's bulls that had ZERO post game offense? Nuff said. Driving to the hoop is nice and all but it only does so much. That is like saying throwing short passes to the running back to gain yards makes up for the lack of a running game.

[Bruno]

jesus ing christ, the pic was not a dig at the spurs but rather an example of dirk in the freakin' paint...and it was in response to another mavs fan.

So posting a pic of one of the most painfull moment for some Spurs fans on a Spurs board isn't trolling. This guy has posted this pic just to tease people. I don't care but I can understand some people reaction. Dirk driving one time proves nothing and doesn't change that he is mainly a jumpshooter.

You had to wonder soemthing about Mavs : they have been one of the best regular season team these last 7 years and there playoff resume is quite weak. 2 first round exit, 3 second round exit, one conference final lost and one final lost isn't a good resume.

Cuban has tried to change his coach and his recruting philosophy (less player turnover, less all star and more roel players) and it hasn't work for the moment. Should Mavs continue in that way or change another element ?

IMO Mavs biggest need is another reliable scoring option. Terry and Dirk are great jumpshooters but it's less reliable than a slasher or low post scorer. Howard disapear in the second half. Harris isn't a good offensive player. Stackhouse is old and inconsistent.

[Findog]

So posting a pic of one of the most painfull moment for some Spurs fans on a Spurs board isn't trolling.

Is this forum closed to Spurs fans only? Do I need to change my registration to Spurs fan in order to keep posting? This isn't a homer board, that's a credit to Kori and you and your fellow posters. How many threads have there been piling on Dirk and the Mavs? You're not gonna stick up for your team when they get constantly ted on?

You had to wonder soemthing about Mavs : they have been one of the best regular season team these last 7 years and there playoff resume is quite weak. 2 first round exit, 3 second round exit, one conference final lost and one final lost isn't a good resume.

Maybe in comparison to the Lakers, Bulls, Celtics, Spurs, etc. But where most teams reside, it's pretty good.

Cuban has tried to change his coach and his recruting philosophy (less player turnover, less all star and more roel players) and it hasn't work for the moment. Should Mavs continue in that way or change another element ?

Well, they were the dregs of the League when he took over and the only guy left from when the sale was completed is Dirk. Cuban has deep pockets and wants to win. Most owners are just content to turn a profit and/or be compe ive. Cuban wants a le, and sooner or later we're going to get one.

[Bruno]

Is this forum closed to Spurs fans only? Do I need to change my registration to Spurs fan in order to keep posting? This isn't a homer board, that's a credit to Kori and you and your fellow posters. How many threads have there been piling on Dirk and the Mavs? You're not gonna stick up for your team when they get constantly ted on?

When you post a pic of the Manu foul, you're trolling.
When you say that Dirk can drive/slash like he did in the Spurs serie you're arguing.
Posting this pic brings nothing outside teasing some Spurs fans.

Some Spurs fans are stupid and bring Dallas lost series against Heat/Wariors every time they argue with a Mavs fan but you are as stupid than them when you post this pic in every thread where Dirk/Mavs are mentioned.

Maybe in comparison to the Lakers, Bulls, Celtics, Spurs, etc. But where most teams reside, it's pretty good.

For a team that hasn't lost more than 30 games per year these last 7 years, it's quite weak.
I don't say Mavs are a bad team, I just say that their playoffs results should be better given tehir regular season level.

[Findog]

When you post a pic of the Manu foul, you're trolling.
When you say that Dirk can drive/slash like he did in the Spurs serie you're arguing.
Posting this pic brings nothing outside teasing some Spurs fans.

When people call Dirk a choker or other lame smacktalk, they're trolling.

When they say he had a bad series against Miami and GS and there are serious questions about whether he'll ever lead a team to a le, they're debating and arguing.

Doing the former makes me want to stick up for my team and give as good as I get.

Doing the latter forces me to grudgingly agree that Dirk has brought a lot of legitimate criticism upon himself and it's an open question of whether he's a very good player or whether he'll prove himself to be one of the all-time greats when his career is over.

Some Spurs fans are stupid and bring Dallas lost series against Heat/Wariors every time they argue with a Mavs fan but you are as stupid than them when you post this pic in every thread where Dirk/Mavs are mentioned.

I'll post that pic whenever I feel like people are piling on. If people want to be unfair towards my team, I'll be unfair right back and serve them a taste of their own medicine. This isn't directed at you personally bc you're not a part of that phenomenon, but be respectful to my team and I'll extend you the same courtesy.

For a team that hasn't lost more than 30 games per year these last 7 years, it's quite weak.
I don't say Mavs are a bad team, I just say that their playoffs results should be better given tehir regular season level

The Mavs were not a legitimate le contender during the Shaq/Kobe days. I mean, honestly, who were they supposed to beat aside from the Warriors?

2001: Spurs
2002: Kings
2003: Spurs
2004: Kings
2005: Suns
2006: Heat
2007: Warriors

By my count, the only teams there they were even with were the Kings in 2004 and the Heat in 2006. And there's no shame involved in losing to either of those teams.

[Bruno]

When people call Dirk a choker or other lame smacktalk, they're trolling.

Trolling on a Spurs board when you are a Spurs fan is less annoying than when you're a Mavs fan.
The most anoying trolls are the one who gets the most answers and given that most of the posters are Spurs fans, a Mavs fan is more anoying.

I'll post that pic whenever I feel like people are piling on. If people want to be unfair towards my team, I'll be unfair right back and serve them a taste of their own medicine

Sorry, but it's stupid.
First, the stupidity isn't the best answer towards the stupidity. It just put you in the same category than stupid people. Maybe you should try to ignore stupid posts.
Second, good luck if you want to turn a Spurs board into a fair board for Mavs. Fans aren't fair . If you can't support that some people are somewhere on th www unfair with Mavs, you have a problem. By your trolling, you won't turn Spurstalk into Fairtalk but into Smacktalk.

The Mavs were not a legitimate le contender during the Shaq/Kobe days. I mean, honestly, who were they supposed to beat aside from the Warriors?

2001: Spurs
2002: Kings
2003: Spurs
2004: Kings
2005: Suns
2006: Heat
2007: Warriors

By my count, the only teams there they were even with were the Kings in 2004 and the Heat in 2006. And there's no shame involved in losing to either of those teams.

How many times, Mavs have stepped up during the playoffs ?
last year against Spurs and ?
Mavs aren't playoff chokers but they haven't been able to raise their level durign playoffs.

[Findog]

Second, good luck if you want to turn a Spurs board into a fair board for Mavs. Fans aren't fair . If you can't support that some people are somewhere on th www unfair with Mavs, you have a problem.

No, they're not, and I don't have a problem with it. This isn't politics, it's sports. Most of the time it's in good fun.

How many times, Mavs have stepped up during the playoffs ?
last year against Spurs and ?
Mavs aren't playoff chokers but they haven't been able to raise their level durign playoffs.

I think it's ridiculous to say they should've beaten the Spurs in 2001 and 2003, or the Kings in 2002 and the Suns in 2005. All those teams were better than the Mavs.

[ponky]

bruno stop being so freakin' thin-skinned, god gawd, it's like we should handle you with kid gloves. this, i'm off to playing with the xbox again, i'll check in every when the draft starts but i can't stand this constant for tat starting up again, go celebrate your ring

[Findog]

bruno stop being so freakin' thin-skinned, god gawd, it's like we should handle you with kid gloves. this, i'm off to playing with the xbox again, i'll check in every when the draft starts but i can't stand this constant for tat starting up again, go celebrate your ring

We mustn't desecrate the Holy Chapel of Spurstalk.

[ShoogarBear]

You can always go have these stimulating discussions on a Mavs board.

[ShoogarBear]

You can always go have these stimulating discussions on a Mavs board.

[ShoogarBear]

Seriously, I am very interested in what Mav Fan thinks the Mavs need to do.

Hoping they go for the "back up the truck" route myself, as do probably most Spur fans.

[Bruno]

bruno stop being so freakin' thin-skinned, god gawd, it's like we should handle you with kid gloves. this, i'm off to playing with the xbox again, i'll check in every when the draft starts but i can't stand this constant for tat starting up again, go celebrate your ring

You're way off.

I don't give a about someone posting this picture. I was just surprised that it was by Findog, who is one of the best Mavs poster. If he wants to go that way, fine, I will just ignore him and laugh at his stupidity like I do with all other Mavs trolls. I never go after troll on Spurstalk.

It's just BB and an internet message board, there are a lot of things more important in the life than that. People can say whatever they want about Spurs or you can even insult me if you like it, I don't care.

[Findog]

You're way off.

I don't give a about someone posting this picture. I was just surprised that it was by Findog, who is one of the best Mavs poster. If he wants to go that way, fine, I will just ignore him and laugh at his stupidity like I do with all other Mavs trolls. I never go after troll on Spurstalk.

It's just BB and an internet message board, there are a lot of things more important in the life than that. People can say whatever they want about Spurs or you can even insult me if you like it, I don't care.

Look man, I'm honestly not trying to troll. You watch your team go down in flames and get on for two months. You lose patience after awhile.

[Findog]

You can always go have these stimulating discussions on a Mavs board.

LMF is actually a really good one:

http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/mb/lmf

[Findog]

Seriously, I am very interested in what Mav Fan thinks the Mavs need to do.

Hoping they go for the "back up the truck" route myself, as do probably most Spur fans.

I think this team's problems are honestly mostly between the ears. Before we break this thing up so we can match up with Golden State, it's important to keep in mind that we're pretty much the only team in the League capable of beating the current dynasty.

After we beat you guys last year, Pop did nothing but make cosmetic changes. What did Bonner and Elson give you that Rasho and Nazr didn't?

[monosylab1k]

I think this team's problems are honestly mostly between the ears.

Those are the toughest problems to fix. No amount of practice or offseason work will fix this thing if they don't have it mentally.

[leemajors]

I think this team's problems are honestly mostly between the ears. Before we break this thing up so we can match up with Golden State, it's important to keep in mind that we're pretty much the only team in the League capable of beating the current dynasty.

After we beat you guys last year, Pop did nothing but make cosmetic changes. What did Bonner and Elson give you that Rasho and Nazr didn't?

cap relief.

[ShoogarBear]

Bruno, Findog was just trying to run some smack with the photo, cut him some slack.

After all, that moment was the pinnacle of Maverickdom.

[ShoogarBear]

After we beat you guys last year, Pop did nothing but make cosmetic changes. What did Bonner and Elson give you that Rasho and Nazr didn't?

Playoff minutes.

But you're right. The forever unanswered mystery of this year is what would have happened if the Mavs had run into the Spurs again in the WCF.

[MavericksDynasty]

Playoff minutes.

But you're right. The forever unanswered mystery of this year is what would have happened if the Mavs had run into the Spurs again in the WCF.

Honestly, I think we would've lost. We burned ourselves out playing all 82 like it was Game 7 of the Finals. The Warriors were much better than their record and they give us fits bc of the matchups, but if we can't beat them, I don't see how we beat you..at this particular time. We peaked in March and couldn't sustain it.


EDIT...oh , forgot to log back into findog.

[Bruno]

After all, that moment was the pinnacle of Maverickdom.

You forget the three point contest won by Dirk. Thanks Refs.

[ShoogarBear]

Honestly, I think we would've lost. We burned ourselves out playing all 82 like it was Game 7 of the Finals. The Warriors were much better than their record and they give us fits bc of the matchups, but if we can't beat them, I don't see how we beat you..at this particular time. We peaked in March and couldn't sustain it.

Eh, now that it's over, I can admit I was mad scared of the Mavs. They were just a bad matchup for the Spurs in every way.

Now, one thing is that the Spurs suddenly became a good rebounding team in the playoffs (still haven't figured that out yet), somehow managing to beat probably the two best rebounding teams in the league (Jazz, Cavs) on the boards. So that would have been a big help.

But unless the Mavs suddenly started going gaa-gaa-goo-goo mentally, it would have been extremely tough for the Spurs.

EDIT...oh , forgot to log back into findog.