Argentinians available in the draft/int'l free agency

[whottt]

Are you talking about Snavlov Svanalakaus?
I thought some other team beat us to the punch..

No..Clips took him early in the second round.

[whottt]

Oh and smeagol and Manimania...

What the do you guys mean ya'll weren't here when the Manu Delfino thing happened?

Ya'll were both here..and you were both posters. There are only a couple of Argentines that predate you guys, like Martin R....and they were at SR.

It was at the same time as Hedo>Manu


Alvarez was here...you guys were here.

It wasn't a huge big issue...the point is that even some Argentines thought Delfino was going to be better than Manu...

They all said the same thing...basically, he can do the same thing's Manu can do..but he plays more under control.

[whottt]

Ok Manumaniac didn't come onboard till 05...damn...seems like you've been here longer.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Ok Manumaniac didn't come onboard till 05...damn...seems like you've been here longer.

It's because I've been so involved, see?

I was actually lurking around for quite some time before I made my first post. I've been reading here since around mid 2004.

[smeagol]

Oh and smeagol and Manimania...

What the do you guys mean ya'll weren't here when the Manu Delfino thing happened?

Ya'll were both here..and you were both posters. There are only a couple of Argentines that predate you guys, like Martin R....and they were at SR.

It was at the same time as Hedo>Manu


Alvarez was here...you guys were here.

It wasn't a huge big issue...the point is that even some Argentines thought Delfino was going to be better than Manu...

They all said the same thing...basically, he can do the same thing's Manu can do..but he plays more under control.

If it happened in 2003, I was not yet posting.

And if it did happen when I was posting, I never opined on the subject.

But I was around for the Manu vs Hedo threads.

You were a mod, can't you retrieve it somehow?

We need to make chump cry

[smeagol]

Wait, wait, wait.

Does Manu actually hate Tony?

STFU

You are half Argentine . . . whottt, chew his ass

[MaNuMaNiAc]

If it happened in 2003, I was not yet posting.

And if it did happen when I was posting, I never opined on the subject.

But I was around for the Manu vs Hedo threads.

You were a mod, can't you retrieve it somehow?

We need to make chump cry

I remember the Manu vs Hedo arguments as well. Wasn't posting at the time, but I remember them well

[whottt]

If it happened in 2003, I was not yet posting.

And if it did happen when I was posting, I never opined on the subject.

But I was around for the Manu vs Hedo threads.

You were a mod, can't you retrieve it somehow?

We need to make chump cry

Can't get Hedo V Manu...oh gawd would I love that. Even if it had been saved to this board, the first thing Chump would have done after becoming a mod was delete it lmao.

The Delfino is going to be better than Manu thing was around the time of the 04 Olympics and I think 04-05 was Delfino's first year....

I can't remember which Argies were saying it...but I know at least one of them had Manu in his nic


I didn't have much of an opinion on it either...it wouldn't have been going out on much of a limb to say no way in is Delfino going to be better than Manu...but some did. Some Argies...some regular posters. I was just drawing a paralell between that and saying Scola will be better than Oberto...which I do have a strong opinion on.

[whottt]

I think Scola would be a good fit on a team like the Suns or Mavs...an up and down team that doesn't play much D...that seemed to be the style that suited him in the Olympics...he's a great finisher...best part of his game. I just think he's going to have a much harder time finishing in the NBA.

[manubili]

You are right...I remember most of us saying....scola>oberto

I have always prefered Oberto over Scola. Even in the Arg NT. Scola has some consistency issues and a "bad boy" at ude I'm not fond of.

I would love to see Delifino being better than Manu. It would meant that Arg golden Bball wasn't just a miracle generation. But i don't see it happening in the short term.

[smeagol]

Smeagol, you're the man! That's the right at ude, bro. But you guys better not crack on Brazilians.

O pais mais grande do mundo! (I'm talking about Brazil, of course)

[AnotherArgie]

Hi everyone,

Since this is my first post, I'll make a very short introduction of myself: I'm another argie, I've been a Spurs sympathizer since the mid 90s because of DRob (I was playing center when I was a kid) and then became a full Spur fan when the Duncan became a reality. And yes, I might become another member of the Church of Manu easily.

I've been a reader of this forum for a year or so (maybe a little more), and I never posted since I don't really like to write very much, I'm more interested in what fans over SA say about the team, since you have the chance to look at it more than me.

Saying that, I think that whottt is a guy with solid knowledge of the game, and I usually find his appretiations really similar to mine.

However, to read a troll such as ArgSpurFan to say so many crap about everything, involving subjects not even remotely related with basketball, such as the war in Irak, makes me feel sad, anger and ashamed. The guy is clearly over-excited for some reason, I don't know why.

I admire the patience the moderator has with him. I wouldn't.

ArgSpurFan, please, 'bajá un cambio'. This is a basketball forum.

PS: Go Spurs Go!

[whottt]

Hi everyone,

Since this is my first post, I'll make a very short introduction of myself: I'm another argie, I've been a Spurs sympathizer since the mid 90s because of DRob (I was playing center when I was a kid) and then became a full Spur fan when the Duncan became a reality. And yes, I might become another member of the Church of Manu easily.

I've been a reader of this forum for a year or so (maybe a little more), and I never posted since I don't really like to write very much, I'm more interested in what fans over SA say about the team, since you have the chance to look at it more than me.

Saying that, I think that whottt is a guy with solid knowledge of the game, and I usually find his appretiations really similar to mine.

However, to read a troll such as ArgSpurFan to say so many crap about everything, involving subjects not even remotely related with basketball, such as the war in Irak, makes me feel sad, anger and ashamed. The guy is clearly over-excited for some reason, I don't know why.

I admire the patience the moderator has with him. I wouldn't.

ArgSpurFan, please, 'bajá un cambio'. This is a basketball forum.

PS: Go Spurs Go!

Welcome to the SpursForum...you are a credit to new Argies everywhere...I will be nicer to them because of you from this point on


ArgSpursFan is alright
#1. He's really funny, although I don't think that part is intentional. I mean he is the homer of all homers. BUt he is funny...and I think people enjoy arguing with him.

#2. He's passionate and that's really what this board is all about.

Most of the people that originally started out at this board were people that tended to be a little too passionate for some of the other boards.

Anyway...welcome to the forum and thanks for the comments, it's really just about basketball, having fun, and not taking anything or anyone too seriously here, including ArgSpursFan, or me..or anyone else....

[naico]

Of course I want Noccioni...who seems to have the fiery demeanor that so many laud in Scola...without the mouth....and Nocioni definitely ups his game when the pressure goes up...that hasn't been true of Scola in Europe.

Are you kidding me?really? It's not because he had one sub par game in the end of the season that he doesn't know how to handle pressure..Stress is not part of his vocabulary..last year and the year before that, i watched every game of his in the euro cup and i can tell you, that his coach, his teammates and the fans all relied on him exclusively..And he made it happen every single time!! This guy is soooo underrated by americans, it makes me sick..He scores with ease, whenever he wants to in europe, is more athletic than people think, is the best offensive rebounder out there, has very good passing skills and is fierce compe or who can light up the crowd. People need to get their facts straight. I tell you, he's gonna surprise a lot of people in the nba. I'm not saying he's going to be an all-star but he would succeed in the nba

[Mr. Body]

Scola would also be nice on Golden State.

[whottt]

Are you kidding me?really? It's not because he had one sub par game in the end of the season that he doesn't know how to handle pressure..Stress is not part of his vocabulary..last year and the year before that, i watched every game of his in the euro cup and i can tell you, that his coach, his teammates and the fans all relied on him exclusively..And he made it happen every single time!! This guy is soooo underrated by americans, it makes me sick..He scores with ease, whenever he wants to in europe, is more athletic than people think, is the best offensive rebounder out there, has very good passing skills and is fierce compe or who can light up the crowd. People need to get their facts straight. I tell you, he's gonna surprise a lot of people in the nba. I'm not saying he's going to be an all-star but he would succeed in the nba

Without going into or remembering details...

I think Scola has a pretty long track record of underperforming in Big Euroleague games...going back 3 years or so, including...last years final?

[timvp]

timvp got owned so badly in yesterdays game his only alternative is to launch an offensive and turn off search...

Your team lost. How am I the one that got owned? Just because Barry had his first good game on the road in the playoffs doesn't mean timvp got owned.

Barry was just due. Props to him and above everything else, I'm happy with the Spurs victory.

[WalterBenitez]

Hey wise guy, easy with the Brazil cracks!

I'm American but have a home and business in Brazil as well as the U.S. and love Brazil and its people.

So I'll call you Brazilian and, hence, will be giving you massive props, brother.

I lived and studied in Brazil ... and I really appreciate their female resources , speaking about soccer .. you know that's is a different story ... and what a gringo is doing over there?

[WalterBenitez]

Maybe it's just Ginobili and Oberto, but it seems like their generation of Argentine basketball players know how to play team ball in pressure situations. It's a shame the Spurs weren't able to nab the rights to either Nocioni or Hermann.

There are many players in our league (and in the rest of the world) there's no guaranty they will develop and become the Manu's style of player, but if you like "figthers" (avoiding to say warriors ... ) probably is a good place to look for in ARG, skilled guys ... I'm sure Brazil will produce many of them ... Leandrinho is my favorite.

[mountainballer]

Without going into or remembering details...

I think Scola has a pretty long track record of underperforming in Big Euroleague games...going back 3 years or so, including...last years final?

with remembering details. Scola did underperform this year, but not for the last 3 years.
last year he did well overall (not his fault that Tau lost versus Maccabi, he was 17/11), same can be said for the year before. (again a loss against Maccabi, again not the fault of Luis who was 21/9)
he had some not so good games and some bad games in his Euroleague career, but for every bad game a good or even outstanding game can be found.
to claim that he was constantly underperforming in big Euroleague games is just not right.

[thousandth]

Ugh... I've already addressed the Delfino issue, as far as Scola being better than Oberto, well... I don't think it's so much about what people think, but about facts: individually, Luis has been recognized in the ACB MVP 04/05 & 06/07 (as well as runner up in 05/06 and third place in 02/03), being of course in the all ACB first team for the last four years. Also, he was named to the 05/06 and 06/07 All-Euroleague first team, and to the 04/05 All-Euroleague second team. Oberto never got anywhere close that. So yeah, Scola is generally considered the better player...

You mean big games like the Olympic final where he posted 25 pts (10/13 shooting) & 11 rbds (4) offensive, right?

Exactly. Scola needs always to have protagonism in his team. He isn´t A GOOD DEFENSIVE PLAYER, he only is offensive and he will never be able to mark Nowitzki, Boozer, Okur, Amare, Nené, Camby. Oberto did guard him very well.
Olympic Games= 2004.
Scola played horrible in the Euroligue 2006 and Euro 2007, and played horrible too in Final Abc 2006.
Oberto played well big game and Duncan knows this.
Scola? NO.

[ArgSpursFan]

Hi everyone,

Since this is my first post, I'll make a very short introduction of myself: I'm another argie, I've been a Spurs sympathizer since the mid 90s because of DRob (I was playing center when I was a kid) and then became a full Spur fan when the Duncan became a reality. And yes, I might become another member of the Church of Manu easily.

I've been a reader of this forum for a year or so (maybe a little more), and I never posted since I don't really like to write very much, I'm more interested in what fans over SA say about the team, since you have the chance to look at it more than me.

Saying that, I think that whottt is a guy with solid knowledge of the game, and I usually find his appretiations really similar to mine.

However, to read a troll such as ArgSpurFan to say so many crap about everything, involving subjects not even remotely related with basketball, such as the war in Irak, makes me feel sad, anger and ashamed. The guy is clearly over-excited for some reason, I don't know why.

I admire the patience the moderator has with him. I wouldn't.

ArgSpurFan, please, 'bajá un cambio'. This is a basketball forum.

PS: Go Spurs Go!

I would love to see your I.P adress anotherArgie,or may I say anotherSanAntonianHomer......

[ArgSpursFan]

Hi everyone,



Saying that, I think that whottt is a guy with solid knowledge of the game, and I usually find his appretiations really similar to mine.

However, to read a troll such as ArgSpurFan to say so many crap about everything, involving subjects not even remotely related with basketball, such as the war in Irak, makes me feel sad, anger and ashamed. The guy is clearly over-excited for some reason, I don't know why.


PS: Go Spurs Go!

Wottt= Elson´s #1 Fan

Great BB knowledge.

[AnotherArgie]

I would love to see your I.P adress anotherArgie,or may I say anotherSanAntonianHomer......

I could tell you my current IP addres, but I could be lying also, se we better do this: if you happen to come to Buenos Aires some time, I work near Av. de Mayo and 9 de Julio. We can have a coffee and talk about ball (or go to a cybercoffe, and troll in this forum together).

[hendrix]

#1 I think GrandeDavid is right... the "argie" thing was created by the english (I believe, I'm not sure) and used despectively. So it would be kind of ironic that we call ourselves argies.
#2 TP sucks
#3 Yes, we are all homers. We tend not to see our players weaknesses and think they would beat MJ in a 1-on-1 any given day. Nothing we can do about.
#4 I always liked Oberto better than Scola, but maybe that's because I'm older than Scola and have seen Oberto play so many times. However, Scola its a better scorer, and thats it. You can search my opinions in the forum and you will see I was right about Oberto.
#5 Delfino does has an at ude problem. But you can compare him to some long 2 from Serbia such as Bodiroga. That kind of play. Manu is more "street-style" or rugged type of player. So which one is better is not the point, since they don't play alike to me.