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    I understand the gamble - rolling the dice on a free agent coming. It's like a miniature Jason Kidd scenario, but do you really think there's a plan for any certain free agent? It's as likely just a cost-saving move. Since Udrih is dead weight, then fine, and if we do get a future first out of it, it's better than the waste of the 2009 2nd rounder we used to shave some of Eric Williams' salary. But it's probably wrong to think they're actually after any free agents. The ones available are too expensive and/or flawed to be considered, and then there's the vaunted 2008 Plan. Not that they'll be going after a max free agent, but the value of cap room can be absorbing salary outright. They could wind up using the 2008 Cleveland pick to trade outright for a Josh Childress or somebody.
    The Spurs are pretty good at improving the team in free agency when it's not star talent they're after.

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    Boris Diaw?is he a restricted F.A?
    He probably has an option this summer.

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    If it's a future first and a trade exception, I can see where the Spurs go out and grab a rookie, first year, second year, or third year player with the trade exception once training camp starts and teams figure out their lineups/rotation.

    From that list....Joey Graham, Travis Outlaw, Bostjan Nachbar, Viktor Khryapa, and maybe Josh Childress would probably be available for some combination of the trade exception and future picks...

    Not a bad idea to grab a guy that has potential and is still developing, but that is still under the rookie contract. They might even have a bigger role if Fin decides to opt out and go elsewhere....
    if Childress is put on the market, the Hawks will get much better offers than what Spurs can offer. (as much as I would like to see him at the Spurs). I'm still a fan of the Khryapa option. it was a lot of bad luck for him, that he found himself behind Deng, Nocioni and Thomas in the rotation. I still think he is a decent player, who needs just the right system to flourish.

    btw. Spurs do have a trade exception themself (maybe even 2, but I'm not sure.) from the Williams-Ely trade. it might be high enough to get Khryapa.

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    MoSpur check your PMs

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    Well, I think Posey pretty much fits the bill what the Spurs are looking for. He is 6'8, a good defender, decent rebounder, can hit the 3 and might not be too expensive. Of course a young 3 would be better but he might be the guy. If White can make the team and Finley back you would be pretty much set. Only missing thing is a PG...

    Parker/???/ 28th pick?
    Gino/ Finley/ White
    Bowen/Posey
    TD/ Horry
    Oberto/ Elson/ Butler

    Looks good to me. Trade Barry/ Beno + X vor a backup PG...

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    if Childress is put on the market, the Hawks will get much better offers than what Spurs can offer. (as much as I would like to see him at the Spurs). I'm still a fan of the Khryapa option. it was a lot of bad luck for him, that he found himself behind Deng, Nocioni and Thomas in the rotation. I still think he is a decent player, who needs just the right system to flourish.

    btw. Spurs do have a trade exception themself (maybe even 2, but I'm not sure.) from the Williams-Ely trade. it might be high enough to get Khryapa.
    I know about Childress, which is why I said "maybe". I think it would take a combination of the trade exception as well as a future first rounder...and still I doubt it gets done. But, I still think the idea remains a possibility.

    And to Mr. Body,

    I don't think the Spurs will go into the off-season specifically targeting someone, but I could see a scenario where a young player gets forced out of a rotation because of new incoming players or a change in direction from the franchise....and the Spurs could use the assets gained from a trade (trade exception, future 1st rd pick) to scoop that player up.

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    Boris Diaw?is he a restricted F.A?
    No but it's not a FA list but a list of FA and players who could be available via trade.

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    I don't think the Spurs will go into the off-season specifically targeting someone, but I could see a scenario where a young player gets forced out of a rotation because of new incoming players or a change in direction from the franchise....and the Spurs could use the assets gained from a trade (trade exception, future 1st rd pick) to scoop that player up.
    That's what I'm saying, too. I agree they'll probably take only one player in the draft (discounting the 58). My draft projections had this unstated assumption - that I didn't put enough stock in - that Jackie Butler would be gone. It'd be surprising for them to have four players on the roster with 1 or 2 years of experience.

    They'll have a general plan, as always, and go down the list as options are ticked off -- like last year, when they went after Alonzo Mourning and Joel Przybilla before settling on Butler and Elson.

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    Well, I think Posey pretty much fits the bill what the Spurs are looking for. He is 6'8, a good defender, decent rebounder, can hit the 3 and might not be too expensive. Of course a young 3 would be better but he might be the guy. If White can make the team and Finley back you would be pretty much set. Only missing thing is a PG...

    Parker/???/ 28th pick?
    Gino/ Finley/ White
    Bowen/Posey
    TD/ Horry
    Oberto/ Elson/ Butler

    Looks good to me. Trade Barry/ Beno + X vor a backup PG...
    Considering the Spurs are looking to deal Beno, I think it's safe to say that pick #33 will definitely be a backup PG...so there's no need for a Barry trade.

    Posey does make some sense, but I would think he only comes to the Spurs in the event that Finley opts out and is snatched up by some team.

    As of now the Spurs have a fairly set roster, lineup, and rotation at the swing position...so it wouldn't do much good to spend what would likely amount to at least half of the MLE for a player that would ride the pine.

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    So I'm confused as to why some folks don't understand why the Spurs would be reluctant to have to take a player with a guaranteed contract and are looking to unload Beno to ensure they don't have to. How does anybody know whether it's a good plan or not if this is only the first step? Is there anyone that disagrees with the idea of getting Beno the off this roster?

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    Considering the Spurs are looking to deal Beno, I think it's safe to say that pick #33 will definitely be a backup PG...so there's no need for a Barry trade.

    Posey does make some sense, but I would think he only comes to the Spurs in the event that Finley opts out and is snatched up by some team.

    As of now the Spurs have a fairly set roster, lineup, and rotation at the swing position...so it wouldn't do much good to spend what would likely amount to at least half of the MLE for a player that would ride the pine.
    I agree with you. I just wasn't sure the draft pick would fill that role right away. I hope they get a good enough player to make the rotation. Most opinions about the PGs like Koponen were not that good. I'd still hope they get a deal done with Atlanta or Charlotte. THAT would be huge. (I know its unlikely) But I read somewhere that they (Charlotte) think about swapping Jones for the 13th? pick or somthing. I wonder if the Spurs have any assets they would like.

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    What deal do you mean with Atlanta or Charlotte?

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    It'd be surprising for them to have four players on the roster with 1 or 2 years of experience.
    but at the start of last season, they had 5 such players. (Butler, Beno, White, Bonner, Oberto)

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    but at the start of last season, they had 5 such players. (Butler, Beno, White, Bonner, Oberto)
    Bonner had been in the league and I'd say Oberto wasn't quite the same as a rookie.

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    What deal do you mean with Atlanta or Charlotte?
    Just A deal for ther 11th or 8th pick. I read that Charlotte and Phoenix were in talks about Jones/ 1st rounder for the 8th pick and I wonderd if the Spurs would be able to pull of a trade with either team. It was more a hope... nothing in particular.

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    Beno shouldn't be hard to move. He's better than a few of the starting point guards in the league, and could be very good if he finds the right situation and plays to his potential. I'm sure many GMs know that.

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    Beno shouldn't be hard to move. He's better than a few of the starting point guards in the league, and could be very good if he finds the right situation and plays to his potential. I'm sure many GMs know that.
    But most teams are unable to offer the Spurs what they want most (total salary absorption) in lieu of offering player(s) in return whose contracts the Spurs wouldn't mind.

    Cleveland can thanks to their trade exception.

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    But most teams are unable to offer the Spurs what they want most (total salary absorption) in lieu of offering player(s) in return whose contracts the Spurs wouldn't mind.

    Cleveland can thanks to their trade exception.
    So the trade exception is the only way the Spurs don't have to cover part of Beno's salary? IOW, they can't trade a person for a pick without a body coming back or without having to cover some of the salary?

    (if you don't want to have to explain everything to me, just shoot me a link to the rules)

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    ...they can't trade a person for a pick without a body coming back or without having to cover some of the salary?
    If the other team has cap space- they can. Like Detroit traded Delfino to Toronto for picks because Toronto had cap space for his contract.

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    But most teams are unable to offer the Spurs what they want most (total salary absorption) in lieu of offering player(s) in return whose contracts the Spurs wouldn't mind.

    Cleveland can thanks to their trade exception.
    Again, does anyone know how big this trade exception would be?

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    Again, does anyone know how big this trade exception would be?
    It would be equal to Beno's salary.

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    Which should help in matching any offers Oberto might get.

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    It would be equal to Beno's salary.
    That's what I figured....

    Which could help the Spurs turn Beno into an athletic, long 3/small ball 4 option with a couple years in the league....

    o Joey Graham/Travis Outlaw...

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    Which should help in matching any offers Oberto might get.
    I think they would be two seperate decisions.

    Matching an offer for Oberto will probably not be about immediate $$$, but about $$$ in the second, third, and possibly fourth (if a team decides to go that far) years....

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    Which should help in matching any offers Oberto might get.
    If he was involved in a sign and trade the Spurs could then use that to take back more salary. But otherwise they won't be able to use it on their own free agent.

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