ESPN: KG wants Phoenix

[Johnny RIngo]

Why does he want a team like the Suns? Why not a proven team like the Spurs? Take less money, you are a vet right KG? The Vet minimum sounds X10000 better when there is a guaranteed 10-peat attached to it.

KG doesn't want to jump on Duncan's ship. Garnett wants to win a ring while leading the team not play the rent-a-vet role.

[sutherns_finest]

Man, you guys are some idiots in here, The suns should trade Amare for KG.. dont you get it.. Amare is a product of the system the suns run by Nash, if nash wasnt on the team, or if Amare was on another team he wouldnt be near as good as he is. He can't get his own shot, he has to be deep in the post for a dunk or some type of lay up, or in a fast break dish by nash for his scoring, and is a liablity on the defensive end, he can block shots here and there, but thats it. He has no outside shot, no perimeter shot. On the other Hand KG is the complete opposite, and a complete playter....a great defender, and can creat his own shot in many situations. Simple as this, put Amare on the Wolves, when KG had them going to the WCF's and Amare wouldnt be crap. Your talking about Amare being the future, once nash is done, you guys are done, your system is centered around nash and what he can do. Yall need to trade Amare and get a new COACH! simple as that....

[E20]

KG doesn't want to jump on Duncan's ship. Garnett wants to win a ring while leading the team not play the rent-a-vet role.

I'm just gonna play Devil's Advocate, because this crack pipe hallucination is really fun.

IMO He wouldn't be that type of player who tags along just to win a ring. KG would rival Tim on the team as the better player. He would make an exteremely siginficant impact on the team. Everybody's stats and TO's would sky rocket in a postive direction. Ginobili and Bowen can take a good 35 seconds to ready the three bomb, same with Fin and Barry. The lane for Tony would be wider than what's between Eva's legs. If Tim or KG were to get double teamed LMAO just give it to the other and 2 points. If this were to happen KG would glorify the Spurs into the best team of all time. They'd break every single record possible.

[E20]

Make it happen.


I'm gonna stop now with by petty drivel. I'm praying tonight for this to happen.

[Extra Stout]

I'm gonna stop now with by petty drivel. I'm praying tonight for this to happen.

God's answer is "no."

[Johnny RIngo]

I'm just gonna play Devil's Advocate, because this crack pipe hallucination is really fun.

IMO He wouldn't be that type of player who tags along just to win a ring. KG would rival Tim on the team as the better player. He would make an exteremely siginficant impact on the team. Everybody's stats and TO's would sky rocket in a postive direction. Ginobili and Bowen can take a good 35 seconds to ready the three bomb, same with Fin and Barry. The lane for Tony would be wider than what's between Eva's legs. If Tim or KG were to get double teamed LMAO just give it to the other and 2 points. If this were to happen KG would glorify the Spurs into the best team of all time. They'd break every single record possible.

I never said KG wouldn't play well on the Spurs. He would probably rival Duncan in all categories. The problem lies in the fact that the Spurs are Duncan's team. TD's been here for a decade and his name is basically associated with the Spurs. KG doesn't want to jump on someone else's ship. Plus, there's the rivalry thing.

KG will never be a Spur. We don't have the pieces or the salary room. Simple as that.

[JMarkJohns]

I like how Minnesota, potentially one year away from Garnett opting out and walking for nothing, is said to be a position where it can "demand" a player like Amare.

Give me a freakin' break. At this rate, they'll me lucky if they get anything for Garnett. If they are too picky that an offer of Marion/Thomas or Diaw/#24 or #29/2008 ATL 1st isn't enough, then screw 'em.

They wanted CAP space with the Boston trade, well, let's say they go for the Marion/Thomas scenerio, and let's say Marion does opt out as he's threatening. OK, they have 24 million off the books and still got a 1st rounder this year and a likely lottery pick next year. If they want something in return, then the Marion/Diaw scenerio would be better. While Diaw isn't the rugged force inside that Jefferson is, he's 06-07 season's numbers, when prorated to the minutes and shots he got in 05-06, are almost identical. His rebounds are down a bit, but then the Suns had more rebounding around him, so again, it's much more situation with Diaw than actual skills.

Maybe Chicago can come up with a better offer. Or, maybe Chicago struggles to find enough salary + CAP space + talent + picks to make a better offer while still having the talent to contend post-trade?

Not too many other teams have the talent/contracts/picks to make an offer.

As for Minnesota prefering to trade Garnett out of the West... Why? They aren't going to be winning or contending for anything. This isn't a Shaq to the Kings situation. They are a lottery team in the midst of rebuilding. They need the best package that allows them to do so.

[da_suns_fan__]

I can see why Spurs fans are freaking out about this.

KG and Amare on the same team would bother Duncan on the inside. He wouldn't be able to use his height and length against KG and having Amare waiting in the wings would make things even tougher.

Bell takes Ginobili out of the game.

Basically you'd all be pinning your hopes on Parker's erratic jump shot.

[Warlord23]

JMark, the Wolves are playing hardball with the Suns because they can get better than Marion/KT/Banks. The Lakers would send Odom/Bynum/Brown/#19, Chicago would send Deng/Gordon/PJ Brown.

[JMarkJohns]

JMark, the Wolves are playing hardball with the Suns because they can get better than Marion/KT/Banks. The Lakers would send Odom/Bynum/Brown/#19, Chicago would send Deng/Gordon/PJ Brown.

I never mentioned Banks. I said Marion as the base, then either Diaw or Thomas, either the #24 or the #29 (depending on Diaw or Thomas) and then the 2008 Atlanta pick.

Also, if Chicago is ready to trade Deng and Gordon for Garnett, I'm not so certain Garnett wants to go to Chicago. That doesn't leave much for competing with. Sure, Hinrich, Wallace and perhaps Nocioni, but that's not Nash/Amare/Bell/Barbosa. The Laker deal is interesting, but if they trade that much for Garnett, then they are essentually Kobe/Garnett and Walton. I suppose if the Head deal goes down, that's another quality player, but they have no PG, no consistant outside shooting, and if they are sending Odom and Bynum, then most of their rebounding is gone. So Garnett is left to take arms with Kwame freakin' Brown on the boards. That's not a lot of interior strength.

Marion/Diaw/#29/2008 Atl 1st or Marion/Thomas/#24/2008 Atl 1st

That's a damn good package package. Either one.

[Warlord23]

Chicago is deep. Even if they give up Deng and Gordon, they have:

Hinrich/Duhon/Tyrus/Ben Wallace/Thabo/Sweetney/Khryapa etc

The Lakers will have to pull something desperate to keep Kobe, this might be their only shot

[kps0001]

yeah that's great. guess what? NOBODY in the Mavericks organization is gonna accuse Dirk of choking. Does it mean that it isn't so?

But because Jack Macallum wrote something in a book, that I feel you possibly either didn't read or read incorrectly, it is true?

Whatever, its obvious your hate for Amare is stronger than your knowledge about him. If you can't admit Dirk choked then you have even larger issues.

I understand our window is closing with Nash. I am one Suns fan that just doesn't want to sell the future in Amare. I am certainly not alone. Yes he is immature and makes some bonehead decisions and statements but those are things that can be corrected, his pure talent cannot be taught.

Maybe I am being to optimistic, I just think we can get this trade done without including Nash and Amare. Anyone else on the team is available, imo.

[JMarkJohns]

Chicago is deep. Even if they give up Deng and Gordon, they have:

Hinrich/Duhon/Tyrus/Ben Wallace/Thabo/Sweetney/Khryapa etc

No outside shooting. Hinrich is good, but streaky. Duhon is a 30-to-33% shooter from range, Thabo is raw, Khryapa raw, Tyrus not a 3-point shooter and Sweetney rarely ever plays.

I get what you're saying, and that's a great package to offer, but if I'm Garnett, I look at who's left and hesitate because that roster looks no better than Conference Finals, and perhaps not even. You need shooting to spread the floor anymore, and with no wing who can consistantly break down a defense and score, they'll have a tough time trying to score by strictly going inside-outside and pic-n-roll.

Also, I know there's something about rights and all, but isn't Brown a FA? I've heard they have his Bird rights, but that still makes him a FA, therefore Brown would have to sign off on this trade, and I'm not sure, unless Brown was only signed for one season, why they'd take him.

[Johnny RIngo]

I can see why Spurs fans are freaking out about this.

KG and Amare on the same team would bother Duncan on the inside. He wouldn't be able to use his height and length against KG and having Amare waiting in the wings would make things even tougher.

Bell takes Ginobili out of the game.

Basically you'd all be pinning your hopes on Parker's erratic jump shot.

Who's worried? I'm sure D'Antoni will find a way to screw this up.

[LavaLamp]

KG has veto power over any deal since he can threaten to opt out of his contract and become a free agent in 2008-2009. That gives him a lot of say as to where he is going. It also weakens the overall bargaining position of the TWolves.

[JMarkJohns]

Who's worried? I'm sure D'Antoni will find a way to screw this up.

Yeah...

[LavaLamp]

Who's worried? I'm sure D'Antoni will find a way to screw this up.

Yes, you need good pieces but at the end of the day, it's the dynamics between those pieces which determines if you have a championship team.

[monosylab1k]

If you can't admit Dirk choked then you have even larger issues.

Excuse me? I JUST SAID that Dirk choked. I'm one of the biggest Dirk critics among Mav fans on this board. Who's the one that needs to ing read here?

[monosylab1k]

But because Jack Macallum wrote something in a book, that I feel you possibly either didn't read or read incorrectly, it is true?

I read the book just fine. Considering he was named an assistant coach before the regular season and drove with D'Antoni and the other assistants to practices, I'd think he knows exactly what he's talking about. Funny how that when Suns fans first learned about this book, they all thought McCallum was great, but now that he's actually exposed some things about that team and showed Amare in an unflattering light, they all think he's some lying hack.

[Xylus]

I read the book just fine. Considering he was named an assistant coach before the regular season and drove with D'Antoni and the other assistants to practices, I'd think he knows exactly what he's talking about. Funny how that when Suns fans first learned about this book, they all thought McCallum was great, but now that he's actually exposed some things about that team and showed Amare in an unflattering light, they all think he's some lying hack.

McCallum's still one of my favorite basketball writers.

But like I said, McCallum was writing about his physical rehab, not his basketball skills.

[Nashfan]

JMark, the Wolves are playing hardball with the Suns because they can get better than Marion/KT/Banks. The Lakers would send Odom/Bynum/Brown/#19, Chicago would send Deng/Gordon/PJ Brown.

I read somewhere that Garnett does not want to be traded to any Eastern teams and does not want to be traded to the Lakers. Cannot remember where I read this since I have been to a lot of sites today with this rumor coming down.

[Warlord23]

No outside shooting. Hinrich is good, but streaky. Duhon is a 30-to-33% shooter from range, Thabo is raw, Khryapa raw, Tyrus not a 3-point shooter and Sweetney rarely ever plays.

I get what you're saying, and that's a great package to offer, but if I'm Garnett, I look at who's left and hesitate because that roster looks no better than Conference Finals, and perhaps not even. You need shooting to spread the floor anymore, and with no wing who can consistantly break down a defense and score, they'll have a tough time trying to score by strictly going inside-outside and pic-n-roll.

Also, I know there's something about rights and all, but isn't Brown a FA? I've heard they have his Bird rights, but that still makes him a FA, therefore Brown would have to sign off on this trade, and I'm not sure, unless Brown was only signed for one season, why they'd take him.

Hinrich is good and he doesn't take as many shots as Gordon does to warm up, plus Hinrich is the better defender. And if they want a shooter they can still swing a trade with the pieces they have. They have the Knicks pick also. It's almost unfair how many pieces they have! And I think Paxson realizes that 1 big-name star is what is needed to get out of the East. Especially considering the poor supporting cast that LeBron carried all the way to the Finals.

Kwame was extended for 07-08 IIRC. Per hoopshype he has one year remaining.

[kps0001]

I read the book just fine. Considering he was named an assistant coach before the regular season and drove with D'Antoni and the other assistants to practices, I'd think he knows exactly what he's talking about. Funny how that when Suns fans first learned about this book, they all thought McCallum was great, but now that he's actually exposed some things about that team and showed Amare in an unflattering light, they all think he's some lying hack.

LOL...Amare wasn't even playing. He was rehabbing. He suffered some major setbacks. As someone stated before by someone else there was plenty of talking about his rehab and if he wasn't going at it 100%. However, there was just as much public chatter that he was rehabbing to hard. So, where else are you getting this "Amare has a ty at ude" from? You are basing your opinion from statements in a book unrelated to his desire to win, his work ethic, his drive to be a better player and teammate, etc. that you have completely taken out of context.

Nobody has said McCallum is a lying hack. I thought the book was quite enlightening and enjoyable.

...and btw when I stated "if you don't think Dirk choked....." I was referring to the Mavs organization, not you personally. I understood your statement just didn't make mine to clearly.

[K-State Spur]

I like how Minnesota, potentially one year away from Garnett opting out and walking for nothing, is said to be a position where it can "demand" a player like Amare.

Give me a freakin' break. At this rate, they'll me lucky if they get anything for Garnett. If they are too picky that an offer of Marion/Thomas or Diaw/#24 or #29/2008 ATL 1st isn't enough, then screw 'em.

They wanted CAP space with the Boston trade, well, let's say they go for the Marion/Thomas scenerio, and let's say Marion does opt out as he's threatening. OK, they have 24 million off the books and still got a 1st rounder this year and a likely lottery pick next year. If they want something in return, then the Marion/Diaw scenerio would be better. While Diaw isn't the rugged force inside that Jefferson is, he's 06-07 season's numbers, when prorated to the minutes and shots he got in 05-06, are almost identical. His rebounds are down a bit, but then the Suns had more rebounding around him, so again, it's much more situation with Diaw than actual skills.

Maybe Chicago can come up with a better offer. Or, maybe Chicago struggles to find enough salary + CAP space + talent + picks to make a better offer while still having the talent to contend post-trade?

Not too many other teams have the talent/contracts/picks to make an offer.

As for Minnesota prefering to trade Garnett out of the West... Why? They aren't going to be winning or contending for anything. This isn't a Shaq to the Kings situation. They are a lottery team in the midst of rebuilding. They need the best package that allows them to do so.

I don't think you can count on KG opting out. I have no doubts that he hates the losing, but his deal is ENORMOUS and he seems genuinely comfortable in Minnesota.

If he's traded to Phoenix and you DON'T win it all with him and Nash together next year, can he count on Sarver giving him a huge new deal and keeping the core of the team together? Is Phoenix ownership perfectly happing paying a HUGE luxury tax for a team that doesn't make the finals? Or if KG accepts a trade, could a guy who seems rather resistant to change be looking at playing for his third team in 3 years in 2008-2009?

[Cry Havoc]

So, where else are you getting this "Amare has a ty at ude" from?

He would rather pubescently blame the powers that be for punishing him than accept responsibility for his actions like an adult and move on? Yes, Amare, the league is just out to screw you. No one else.

He constantly whined (even recently) about how he would have made a difference in a past event and in the meantime completely blew his opportunity to make a difference in the very next game that he played in, with a short-handed opponent?

He still doesn't play a damn bit of defense? And it hasn't improved much at all since the last time the Spurs blew the Suns away?

He overexerts himself on the offensive end with "thunderous dunks" when a lay in or an easy 2 handed jam would service just fine?

http://www.nba.com/suns/news/qa_stoudemire.html

Just read this interview. I mean, WOW, redundant. It's so... I mean, just, wow, redundant! I mean, he says stuff and then he rephrases them EXACTLY THE SAME WAY and states them again!

Here are some classic gems:

Question: Are you ready to handle going from a high schooler to a millionaire?

Stoudemire: I understand what’s ahead of me, which is more business. I have to accept the challenge. It was my decision, so now I’ve got to step up to it.

LOL. Yeah, being a millionaire, that's really tough.

Question: Is there a player you’ve patterned your game after?

Stoudemire: Shawn Kemp was the player that I grew up watching, when he was with the SuperSonics. And after that it was it was just Shaq. Both of them are dominating dunkers. They dunk so hard and I tried to pattern my game after them.


Ahhh, how times have changed. Wait.... a minute..... nevermind.

Question: How would you describe your game?

Stoudemire: I would describe my game as powerful, a dunker, hard worker. But now I’m trying to add a little more to that. I’m trying to add a little perimeter game, ball handling, jump shots. Hard work pays off.

Never mentions defense ONCE in the article.

And Suns fans everywhere think he'll just pick it up as he goes along.