The Oberto Dilemma - Oberto declines his option/becomes a free agent

[El_Mago]

Let's see:

The Spurs should let Oberto walk.

He will not be worth jeopardizing the 08 plan.

Believe me, the Spurs do have an 08 plan and are planning on sticking to it (whether it involves Oberto at a price they feel will not jeopardize their plan or not).

The Spurs draft a Euro with #28.

Stash the Euro away for a year, whether it be Koponen, Fernandez, Belinelli, etc....

They can sign him a year from now when the Spurs have the cash with the cap room.

Draft Nick Fazekas with the 33.

He is the younger version of Oberto. Not very athletic, can rebound, score, soft hands, high IQ, and is aggressive.

Fazekas would come cheap and not make a huge dent on the 08 plan.

The Spurs can start Elson, bring off Butler, and here and there throw in Fazekas for insurance purposes.

[whottt]

Educate me Almight Whottt....

Tell me the thing he said that let you know right then, by that one statement, what kind of character he had....

You see...if you had been here, I wouldn't have to tell you.



He ed about getting drafted in the second round.

I can't recall the exact quote but it was something along the lines of I wish I hadn't been drafted since I didn't get taken in the first round. Obviously...this was related to his buyout.

Now even if you don't see the character flaw inherent in that statement...you have to at least acknowledge that it's kind of a stupid statement to make publicly, that serves no productive purpose....it's just simple whining and pouting.

[timvp]

You're wrong...there are some teams looking to move SF's to fill a need instead of facing playing time issues...and there aren't many teams seeking to aquire one.

I can't tell you right now Chicago has chemistry issues due to their glut at SF. Any of their SF's would be more of a must sign to me than Bonner..or Scola.

Name some names. Who is available and what would you offer?

Thanks.

[timvp]

With Oberto opting out, that means that if Splitter is available at 28, you probably gotta take him. Fazekas at 33 would be a nice pick. McRoberts at 28?

Perhaps.

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, I think Fazekas could fit the Bonner role if Bonner is let go.

Going forward, the Spurs need a bigman in the fold who can replace Horry's ability to spread the floor. Be that Bonner or someone like Fazekas.

Yeah, we just need one -- even if they apparently aren't clutch -- since Horry's minutes will continue to drop.

[whottt]

Name some names. Who is available and what would you offer?

Thanks.

For the 1 trillionth time...

Chicago and Golden State both have a glut at SF and not enough minutes to go around...and they don't want to part with their main SF's...and no one is going to give them much for their deep bench SF's.


Just tell me...who is our competion for Kryhapa, or Pietrus? How much are those teams willing to give? What do they have to give?


And what we have available is Butler, Mahinimi, Scola, Sanikidze, Barry(depending on what Finley does) and Beno...not to mention 3 draft picks.

[ChumpDumper]

Just tell me...who is our competion for Kryhapa, or Pietrus? How much are those teams willing to give? What do they have to give?

Well the Daily News says the Raptors are putting aside their MLE for Pietrus.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...nely_wolf.html

[spurscenter]

Oberto will probably sign a 3-year/$10M deal with the Spurs. He probably only opted out to get years.

if you were oberto, you would do the same thing. Everyone just relax.

Pop will talk to him and manu and things will work itself out.

Oberto did the right move for Oberto and thats that.

If he leaves, he leaves a champion.

stop talking about him

[timvp]

For the 1 trillionth time...

Chicago and Golden State both have a glut at SF and not enough minutes to go around...and they don't want to part with their main SF's...and no one is going to give them much for their deep bench SF's.


Just tell me...who is our competion for Kryhapa, or Pietrus? How much are those teams willing to give? What do they have to give?


And what we have available is Butler, Mahinimi, Scola, Sanikidze, Barry(depending on what Finley does) and Beno...not to mention 3 draft picks.

Khryapa?

Yeah, he's decent but I don't even know if he's better than James White.

Pietrus is going to get max MLE offers. You down with that?

[whottt]

Well the Daily News says the Raptors are putting aside their MLE for Pietrus.

And Pietrus is saying he wants to play for a winner....and wants to play for the Spurs. Still lots of stuff doable here...and GS still has a SF glut.

[El_Mago]

With Oberto opting out, that means that if Splitter is available at 28, you probably gotta take him. Fazekas at 33 would be a nice pick. McRoberts at 28?

Perhaps.

I was in favor of the Spurs trading up before the Oberto dilema and drafting either a point (Fernandez) or a long small forward (young).

However, now, I believe the Spurs could possibly shift to PF/C.

Now, I was going to mention Tiago as a possible pick (probably the best international PF in the draft), but I think he will be gone by the 28th.

However, I would be okay if the Spurs trade up and grab him and sign him (eventhough it would be a multi-year deal). The reason I would be okay is because he has the potential, youth, and skills to become a above average player....unlike Oberto who is old, and already tapped his potential level.

Yet, I don't believe that scenario plays out.

The best best would probably be the Spurs going international with the 28th and stashing him away, and going with Fazekas at a cheap contract.

OR....

The Spurs roll the dice and bring in Ian, and then take a domestic PG (dowdell) with the 28th.

[whottt]

Khryapa?

Yeah, he's decent but I don't even know if he's better than James White.

At worst he's Matt Bonner at the SF position. He's in the most talented SF rotation in the NBA(except for maybe the Suns).

Pietrus is going to get max MLE offers. You down with that?

Pietrus also wants to play for the Spurs...maybe he'll take less...

And why can't we do a S&T for him anyway? Thus saving our MLE...

[ChumpDumper]

And Pietrus is saying he wants to play for a winner.

Toronto arleady won their division and look to do more next season.

and wants to play for the Spurs.

I remember Jack saying he would never play for any coach but Pop, too.

Still lots of stuff doable here...and GS still has a SF glut.

With the lineups Nelly runs? Not really.

[timvp]

Pietrus also wants to play for the Spurs...maybe he'll take less...

How much less? I'm not too comfortable giving Pietrus much more than a four-year, $20M contract ... but that doesn't even come close to a full MLE offer.

And didn't you just post the other day that you don't want Pietrus?

[whottt]

How much less? I'm not too comfortable giving Pietrus much more than a four-year, $20M contract ... but that doesn't even come close to a full MLE offer.

You know...I just don't know, there is no accounting for stupid teams.

And didn't you just post the other day that you don't want Pietrus?

Hmmm...I don't think that was me...and if it was, it's more a case of there are other SF's I would rather try to get first. Nocioni, Kyrhapa...Barnes, etc.

[picnroll]

Summer was getting boring. Nice to finally have something to panic over.

[MannyIsGod]

Dude, you're as much a ing idiot as ever. Second sentence = sarcasm.

Go back in your hole, little dude.

Yeah, I'm the idiot Mr. "The Spurs will never land a forgien free agent due to Javawho?"

[MannyIsGod]

if you were oberto, you would do the same thing. Everyone just relax.

Pop will talk to him and manu and things will work itself out.

Oberto did the right move for Oberto and thats that.

If he leaves, he leaves a champion.

stop talking about him

No one is talking about Oberto. I don't know where you and Ploto get off with this bull .

Spurs fans want him to stay.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

If Oberto leaves, trade for Camby!

[timvp]

In this weak FA class, some team is going to offer Pietrus a max MLE deal. He'll get his 5-year, $35M offer from someone.

I don't even want the Spurs competing with that for a player like Pietrus who is good but not good enough to warrant that type of commitment.

Nocioni is a long shot. Barnes is going to be overpaid. Khryapa isn't really worth trading for.

Perhaps the only person on the market that makes sense is Posey. But after his DUI recently, he might already be crossed off the list.

[whottt]

Toronto arleady won their division and look to do more next season.

They couldn't beat GS.

I remember Jack saying he would never play for any coach but Pop, too.

That was dfferent...can't you tell?

With the lineups Nelly runs? Not really.

Yes really...even Nelly...I am sure he loves beating the Mavs...but would probably like to beat someone else(other than Toronto).

[timvp]

If Oberto leaves, trade for Camby!

I feel sorry for whatever team ends up trading for Camby. No telling how many games an aging Camby will miss per season.

[whottt]

Nocioni is a long shot. Barnes is going to be overpaid. Khryapa isn't really worth trading for.
.

Kryhapa would have been getting minutes ahead of Finley and Barry if he'd been on this team.

[ChumpDumper]

They couldn't beat GS.

So you're saying he wouldn't go to Dallas for a full MLE deal.

That was dfferent...can't you tell?

Not different at all. Players lie.

Yes really.

Nah. it's Nelly.

[AFBlue]

Kryhapa would have been getting minutes ahead of Finley and Barry if he'd been on this team.

You're making comments like this and you question the validity of MY arguments....