Whottt - I was wondering about Eddie's death as well. Could have easily sent him into this descent. I'm simply going by Dean's own words in terms of how he described Benoit and his ties to other people, and I think he chose them for a reason.
I hope Vince doesn't go overboard tonight in order to draw public sympathy, it's just the kind of he would pull. Just say that nothing can excuse what happened and leave it at that.
You know what's weird though? Malenko is that exact same way. He's maybe a little bit funnier than Benoit...but they were a lot alike.
Meanwhile...poor ole Perry Saturn who can't get a job wrestling anymore and wasn't really cared about by the fans, or the wrestling business, and is considered to be a bad guy because he started kicking rookie wrestlers ass...took some bullets saving a woman from being raped.
The dude was ing whack, that's pretty much a guarantee. He had all sorts of "issues" (which I think is used as an excuse far too much these days).
He did steroids his entire professional career, anyone that knows anything about bodybuilding or has done it themselves in a serious fashion knows that you can't get that big without them.
So in conclusion, he was ed up to begin with, it didn't help that he was injecting himself with testosterone among other things and he went even more nuts.
'em, and quit analyzing something that doesn't need to be.
MSNBS interviewed Bret Hart and here's what he had to say...
Sidenote - Benoit was trained by Bret Hart's father and hung out at Hart's house and with his family from the time he was about 16 years old on...Benoit was training some of the younger wrestlers in the Hart clan in Georgia...Benoit was best friends with Hart's brother as a young man, was the main guy they called to deliver Owen's eulogy, and was the guy that wrestleled Bret in the tribute match...
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WWE News: Bret Hart speaks on MSNBC about death of Chris Benoit
By Wade Keller, Torch editor
Jun 26, 2007, 20:08
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Bret Hart was a guest of Ross Abrams on Scorborough Country on MSNBC. He said he never saw Chris Benoit lose his temper or composure. He said when he first heard early reports, he hoped there was "a better explanation than this." He added: "I think it's going to be a long time before anyone gets over this in the wrestling business."
Abrams asked about Benoit dating Nancy while she was still married to another wrestler. Bret said he didn't know such details. He said Chris never confided marital problems to him. "I always thought he was a good family man and a good husband," he said. Bret said most of his experiences with Nancy came at funerals. Abrams seized that and asked about the deaths of wrestlers of the years. An on-screen graphic said that since 1997, there have been 1,000 pro wrestlers 45 and younger and 65 of them have died - 25 by heart attacks, five of 25 from steroid use, 12 deaths from use of other drugs. The death rate are seven times higher than the general population. There is 12 times the chance of a wrestler dying from heart disease.
Bret talked about steroids and pain kills. He said he understands a lot of that was remedied in recent years. "I don't want to see this pinned on steroids," he said. "I think that there is a deeper - it goes beyond that at this point."
Abrams asked: "Is this going to bring wrestling down? Is this going to be a pock that wrestling won't be able to overcome." Bret said, "No, wrestling will always keep going." He said there's no reason for this to ruin that for everybody. He said everybody loved and respected Benoit, noting, "That's why this is so hard to accept. We all loved him. This is a great man; I can't think of any wrestlers who wouldn't have come to the aid of Chris Benoit and support him in whatever he was carrying around." He said wrestlers are reeling from the deaths of so many of his peers, it's hard to accept. He said depression is a big part of it and this will only magnify it.
Abrams asked if people misread Benoit or was it steroids or another kind of drug that set him off. Bret said that should be left up to forensic experts. He said WWE had a strong drug testing policy in place since Eddie Guerrero died. He said they stamped out steroids. "There is no happy medium; it's no steroids, period," he said. He again said he hopes it's not related to steroids. But then he added that steroids may have been a factor and you need to look at the info as it comes in.
Again Benoit was not some guy that came off as mystery and an enigma...he was a guy that had friends and was respected, the type of man that people in need specifically sought out for support and advice, and if anything, seemed to be a simple, if quiet, man without many hangups or quirks. He was the type of man that an unusual amount of people considered trustworthy.
There was no way to see this coming. Yeah he was quiet but it wasn't the disturbed kind of quiet.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!
God, poor Perry, I hadn't heard that. If Malenko weren't so short and semi-strange looking, who says he doesn't try to go up the mid-card past Cruiser in WWE and get sacrificed to the wrestling gods.
This industry just destroys your soul, I hope they get a union out of this so they aren't forced to work 300+ days, on the road away from their family for the majority of the year. Who knows how that sort of constant immersion in character and this pseudo-macho world alters your perception of reality, not to mention the drugs, alcohol, pain killers, steroids...it needs to be regulated. Doesn't excuse what Benoit did, but maybe some gains can be made for other guys.
Malenko has that same, regular guy, in the crazy world of pro-wrestling aura that Benoit had..
You'd hope so...when I was kid some of my best friends dad was a wrestler and I spent a lot of time at the arenas and getting to go backstage...this guy was the coolest dude I ever met....he busted his ass and took a beating providing for his family. I am pretty sure he did steroids too. He is all ed up from it now.This industry just destroys your soul, I hope they get a union out of this so they aren't forced to work 300+ days, on the road away from their family for the majority of the year. Who knows how that sort of constant immersion in character and this pseudo-macho world alters your perception of reality, not to mention the drugs, alcohol, pain killers, steroids...it needs to be regulated. Doesn't excuse what Benoit did, but maybe some gains can be made for other guys.
But he was always a nice guy no matter how menacing he looked...I do have to admit, I felt sorry for my friends at the thought of them getting whipped by this dude.
Don't like the thead? Take a ing hike...
And BTW ...just because Benoit cir vented the policy doesn't mean the WWE is turning a blind eye...they have canned a ton of wrestlers since Gurerro died, including Kurt Angle, who was way more of an asset to them than Benoit...for violating their policies.
They are trying to clean it up...and BTW, not all guys that do roids are murderers in hiding, most of them just want to be bigger to get more girls.
I've never done them, but I know a load of people that have...and they are the jocks and popular dudes...not the potheads.
Hmm...I wonder if Benoit actually got busted by the WWE and they were going to let him go or something...I wonder if that's what set him off.
Man...why didn't he just divorce her....what is the impetus to stay in that sort of relationship?
I saw this to you now brahs...if a woman is pissing you off really badly, you need to divorce her, no matter how much of an asshole you might feel like...you'll both be the better off for it. It's just not worth it...and American women aren't helpless.
I'd bet it wasn't about getting rid of her. It was about preserving his family, in the distorted reality that had taken over his mind. If he showed the same fanatical obsession with family unity as he did with wrestling, you can imagine where a messed-up head would take a guy focused on that.
Ok but still...why kill the kid a day later...by the same method he knows killed his mom? What could the kid possibly have done?
It wouldn't surprise me if he caught his wife cheating, that is how he met her after all, and she was a wild woman when she was younger, I mean she called her self Fallen Angel...
...but what did the kid do to deserve that kind of extended terror and trauma before being strangled to death. It's sadistic.
It's an entirely ed up story there. I was hearing today on the radio the coroners have found needle marks on the kid, where Benoit / wife were giving the kid HGH because they thought he was too small for his age. That was from a caller into a radio show, so take that as unsubstantiated.
Well I am sure if they were doing that it will come out in the coroners report. As if things needed to be even more ed up.
http://www.wstm.com/Global/story.asp?S=6714550&nav=2aKD
Dead wrestler was client of company in steroids probe
Associated Press - June 26, 2007 10:05 PM ET
ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) - A professional wrestler who killed himself and his family was a former customer of a company implicated in an upstate New York investigation of illegal steroid sales.
That's according to the Albany County District Attorney's Office, which is conducting the investigation here.
Authorities in Fayetteville, Georgia, say today that Chris Benoit strangled his wife, suffocated his 7-year-old son before hanging himself over the weekend.
Investigators found anabolic steroids in the house and want to know whether the muscular man was unhinged by the bodybuilding drugs, which can cause paranoia, depression and explosive outbursts known as "roid rage."
In Albany, the DA's office confirms the 40-year-old Benoit was a customer as recently as last year of the south Florida company MedXLife.
2 of its co-owners pleaded guilty to drug charges in Albany County in April, admitting they helped get prescriptions drugs in 2006 for customers in upstate New York who had no medical need for them. The pair testified Signature Pharmacy of Orlando filled the orders.
MedXLife, no longer taking orders, attracted customers through its Web site.
Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
True. Preliminary toxicology reports were expected to be completed today, but I'm sure the sheriff's office needs to go over all of that before any announcements are made.
I know roids are bad or wrong, but these guys are not dying because of roids alone. These guys are dying due to a mix of heavy heavy pain killer and antidepressant consumption mixed in a lot of the time with alcohol and coke. That is what led to the death of Eddie.
Most of these guys fit a profile also. Pushing 40 if not there, had what would be career ending injuries in other sports, and are willing to do ANYTHING to stay at the top of their game and compete with the younger guys coming in. Mix in being on the road and most of the time in pain over 293 days out of the year, there you go.
I love wrestling and have followed it for years and I am friends with several people still in the WWE. I do think Vince has got to step up and FOR ONCE, take care of these guys and Ladies.
If you have NEVER seen Beyond the Mat, go get it. One of the Best flicks I have ever seen and VERY eye opening to the World and after World of Pro Wrestling.
That...not to mention these guys probably have 40 or 50 concussions in their lifetimes...and they are finding out how destructive concusssions can be.
Something is going wrong with the whole culture of professional sports and athletics.
There shouldn't be any excuse making. No amount of pain relievers, steroids, anti-depressants, concussions, road wariness, cocaine or whatever the excuse of the moment is can explain killing your wife and kid over a period of days and living with their rotting carcases in your home.
No excuses. He was pathetic excuse for a human being who went out in the most cowardly way possible. End of story.
I don't see that. It's huge news in the NBA if a guy shoots a gun straight up in the air. You can't compare that to this.
If you want to say something is wrong with wrestling because a lot of them end up dead before they reach the age of 50, then you can say that. Perhaps only the NFL can boast anything close to such a legacy ... and even they're not really close.
The thing that throws the monkey wrench into the works is that the wife was bound. That requires some amount of premeditation . . . which makes it harder to understand what set him off. Or how he was able to kill his child.
I can see a mercy killing scenario, but I think it's just that part of me wants it to be something like that, you know? Because as ed up and wrong and terrible to contemplate as it is, you can sort of make some sense out of it. And that provides some comfort.
Why are people so shocked or shaken by this (or any tragedy like this)? The problem is that people want to understand so they can avoid it. Steriods? Cool, don't take them. Coke? Won't touch it. Depression? I can watch for warning signs and get help. You see these people who appear to have their lives together (whether you know them intimately or not) and look at your own life and know what isn't together and wonder if it could happen to you.
That is why it will be dissected for years and why people will hope to make it something it is or isn't, so that it's further away from something they think they are capable of.
DAMN, so that's what happened to Kurt Angle. I was wondering why he dissappeared like that, they were using him as a main face.
We don't really watch anymore, so I didn't know that about Angle. Can't say I'm surprised, but I'm really disappointed, because he was one of my favorites to watch. He was ing amazing. Particularly against Benoit.
That's not how Angle explains it. Kurt wanted to go to rehab for pain pills, and Vince wouldn't let him take time off. He told Kurt to "rehab on the road." Angle told McMahon to FO and went to TNA as soon as he could.
Kurt Angle was a ing tool, one of the guys that started this whole "Decent looking overly developed wrestler going by his real name with little or no gimmick" thing that drove me away from WWE.
His gimmick was that he was himself. Lamest gimmick ever. That's all you see now in WWE.
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