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I was just thinking during the broadcast...hmmm, I wonder if Kori texted David with this rumor or if he read it on our site.
David, Don and I email each other a lot to keep each other in the loop about stuff.
I gave David the lead when this thread was posted. I'm glad he followed up with the agent to try to get some info
David, Don and I email each other a lot to keep each other in the loop about stuff.
I think he's unrestricted, right? So there's no offer sheet or anything for the Blazers to look at. He can just sign with the Spurs.
I'd trade Jason Kidd for Udoka...
And BTW...offense is not our problem...
Udoka plays a lot bigger than he actually is...to tell you the truth, I'm amazed to find out he's only 6'5...
Give this guy 35 mins per game and he'll be good for about 12 and 5 at the SF position with a steal thrown in for good measure...with good d and 40% three shooting.
He's what everyone wanted Devin Brown to be...
My bad Kori..thanks for setting me straight...this is good news ...we should know something in a day or two then.
Kori has mentioned that she thinks a Barry trade must be in the works, and I'd agree. That's really the only option left at this point for keeping the Spurs under the cap. I'd be surprised if the Spurs are trying to sign Udoka, knowing he'll cost them $6M next season. There has to be another chapter in the works.
Maybe they're waiting to see if Udoka signs before pulling the trigger on the Barry plan.
Honestly...Udoka can replace Barry. The Spurs have bascially traded out three guys Pop didn't like for three new ones for him to not like...
Spatula...if he comes, can replace Beno.
Udoka can replace Barry.
Ian can replace Jackie.
All are potentially better fits than the guys they are replacing.
There is no way we are moving both Beno and Barry IMO without getting another guard on the roster IMO...
No way is Pop going into this season with only 2 guys that can play the point. One of whom is Jacque Vaughn.
Who are we referring to when we say Spatula?
spatulaouis.
Poor Barry....he is so clearly gone if this thing happens.
As anal as RC and Holt are about not exceeding the lux tax threshold, there's no way Barry sticks around. He'll be on some other team post-deadline if they offer a trade exception and a late second round pick.
Who exactly is it that is picking up Barry and his contract?
Just got done watching both games that were at Portland.Check the game in Portland near the end of the season where Duncan and Udoka had some sort of "misunderstanding".
I forgot if Manu's explosion in that game was against Udoka or someone else. If it was against Udoka, don't get too disheartened. Manu does it to the best of 'em.
I wouldn't go overboard one way or another as this is only two games, even if I find the other games that wouldn't be a lot.
First the misunderstanding came when Udoka kneed Duncan in the groin trying to fight through a screen. Duncan went up to Udoka to talk at him after he had gotten up from the ground, but it wasn't anything too serious.
Manu went off in both of those games actually, but the one with the knee incident is the one where a couple of minutes earlier Manu went right by Udoka with zero difficulty from the three point line right in for a dunk after the Blazers behind him were late. Udoka might have been anticipating a screen that never came, but there wasn't too much trickery to Manu's move, slight hesitation and then he was by him for the dunk.
Anyways, the big picture stuff from my viewpoint from those 2 games
He looked like a small 6-5 to me heightwise. Average quickness. More than competant passer. Defended well on entry passes, active hands for deflections, some nice hustle plays (including getting back for a block on a transition Parker layup).
Wasn't afraid to shoot when he was open in those two games. Had a nice ability to make a dribble move to get open to nail a shot, particularly when a defender had rotated over in time to contest a shot in the corner.
Didn't seem all that great penetration wise. Defensively on the whole he didn't strike me as a Bowen or Bell type. Didn't seem to be able to handle Manu at all straight up or to fight around screens like necessary, but the young guys he was trying to play with like Aldridge didn't give him much help at all. I'd suspect as a Spur he'd have big men who knew what they were doing and he wouldn't look so unremarkable.
In the knee game, he had 10 points in the first quarter. Wasn't open so much the rest of the game as he was the last resort option mostly (he would sit for long stretches as Portland played the youngsters in both games).
Both games are fairly entertaining actually, at least in the 4th quarters.
The knee game especially had a big time 4th quarter comeback with huge highlight plays by Manu over and over again as well as bigtime shots by Finley and even Beno got in the act. The game also featured some great highlights from Roy and Jack.
Whoever has enough cash or a trade exception to take back his expiring contract so that it's not on the books post-trade deadline when the lux tax is assessed.
I don't have an idea of who holds the various trade exceptions and the exception amounts (help anyone?)....but Charlotte stands out in my mind as the team with enough cap space to take on Barry's expiring contract.
Either way, I don't see how the Spurs would stand for in effect paying $6M for the services of Ime Udoka.
Why don't the Spurs want the cap space Barry is going to provide?
Anyway...Pop hates Barry...but Barry has been impossible for him to pemanently consign to the doghouse...no matter how bad Pop has wanted to do so. And that pisses Pop off even worse....
It's probably for the best if Barry stays...and I just don't see the Spurs moving him unless they are getting a PG in return.
Barry has an outside shot at being the first Pop hatee to ever finish out his full contract with the Spurs....in the rotation.
That's notable.
My question is...does Ime Udoka have the nerve to sign with the Spurs?
Can you imagine the pressure being the ONLY NEW PLAYER on a team that just won the NBA Championship? If they don't win it all again the whispers might begin..."it was probably because of the new guy."
You don't get what I'm saying. They won't move Barry for another player for a longer-term deal....
I'm saying they'll move Barry for a trade exception or "straight cash homie". Because, if Barry's deal is still on the books after the trade deadline it counts towards the cap. The cap situation was at about $70M ($5M over lux tax threshold) prior to the Butler deal, so if the Spurs add Udoka and keep Barry they'll essentially negate the money saved from the Butler deal.
$5M over the lux tax threshold = $10M total payout ($5M to player and $5M to league)
So, shedding Barry's salary for cash or a trade exception puts the Spurs under the lux tax threshold for this season.
Damn...that does sound bleak. And poor Brent if he stays....Pop really gonna hate him for being a huge cap hit.
Actually I would think that with all the experience around him, he might feel better about coming in.Can you imagine the pressure being the ONLY NEW PLAYER on a team that just won the NBA Championship? If they don't win it all again the whispers might begin..."it was probably because of the new guy."
udoka sounds like a good fit for the spurs
as for barry and beno, hmm. i just don't know.
alleluyah!
I thought we'd only be licking our lipsthis off-season and see our big men leaving us w/ zero in return. I saw him playing once and he can be a good backup for Bowen.
Could we get much for Barry? More than we did for Butler (we apparently had to pay with Scola to get him off the books)?
Everyone seems to complain about Holt when a move is made that no one likes.... Holt does not make the decisions when it comes to basketball operations... That is why they have RC Buford. But at the same time people complain and they forget that this is the front office that have put teams together that have won four championships in the last nine years.
Udoka for three years at 9 mil.... If this holds true then it is a good signing....
I agree that with this signing that it might be the end of the Brent Barry era as sad as it may be but now I believe the next move should be going after another solid point guard that can back up Parker.....
People need to layoff of Holt.... Since he has own the Spurs, he has gotten pieces together to win each year.......
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