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He hasn't said anything wrong yet.
i'm getting really sick of seeing timvp and mr body agree.
He hasn't said anything wrong yet.
A kinder gentler timvp? What happened to the one who wanted Jason Kidd?
I agree with what you are saying...but the fact is...Pop doesn't have patience with the old guys either...ask Oberto, or Barry....or Kerr.
BTW...you show me a list of guys that won 4 NBA Championships...and I'll show you a list of guys that were crappy about developing young players and had no patience with them.
Phil Jackson...Pat Riley....
They just don't have the time to do it...because they are expected to win year in and year out. And you and I will be the first ones to rip them when they fail or spend too much time on those young guys.
Larry Brown is generally considered the best basketball mind to step foot on the court...he hates young players. Or at least he does when he's on a championship contender.
Still...you gotta admit...Parker is a bad ass now.
timvp, MB, Mr.Body and ArgSpursFan...
GMTA.
Huh? I was on the anti-Kidd bandwagon. I believed that Parker was the guy for the team.
As I said back then he would become.
All coaches viscerally hate players who are young and who make big money...
I have never seen a coach that didn't hate players that made big money...no matter how good the player is...and even if the coach is the one that gave them the big money. They still hate them for it.
Pop...in addition to hating players that make big money...
Viscerally despises players that can't play D...it doesn't matter if they are trying or not...if they can't play D...Pop hates their guts.
Who does Pop have patience with? Who is his guy?
Duncan doesn't count...it's more a case of Duncan having patience with Pop.
It's Bowen...Bowen plays D like his life depends on it...and he's underpaid. That's Pop's wet dream, his idea of the perfect man...the toughest day Pop is ever going to have as a coach...is the day he has to cut Bowen. He may say it's Duncan...but Bowen is his boy.
The most famous quote in ST history...(after get refuel)
"If you have a chance to get Jason Kidd, you do it, no questions asked."
I wonder who said that...
Which is why I've always wondered why the Spurs just don't target veterans who defend. Pop likes Vaughn more than Vaughn's wife does. Pop would love Udoka. Pop might even be able to deal with Artest because of defense.
That's why I'm for abolishing the idea of young players for the Spurs. If the Trailblazers wanted Mahinmi for Udoka, I'd go help pack Mahinmi's bags. Sanikidze for Posey? Where do I sign?
Speaking of Artest as it relates to Bowen...who is the only player you have ever seen Pop go after in the media in defense of one of his players?
He's always taken the high road except one time...
And that was when the Pacers were sending out those flyers jocking Artest for DPOY...Pop was all over that and Artest. He was sneering and full of scorn over it...It's the only time I've seen him dis the ability of an opposing player publicly. He's never done it for Duncan or Drob not even AJ...he gives them credit..but Bowen is the only guy I've seen him go after another player in defense of...Pop even went after the NBA when they were getting on Bowen earlier in the year.
I don't think Pop is an Artest fan...just a hunch. Artest wastes his ability...and he makes a lot of money.
That's not refuting anything you said...just a side note.
That's why I'm for abolishing the idea of young players for the Spurs. If the Trailblazers wanted Mahinmi for Udoka, I'd go help pack Mahinmi's bags. Sanikidze for Posey? Where do I sign?
The mindset of a coach...get talent first, anyway you can, especially if it is sought after by other good teams...then decide if you like it or not. Covet first, even overpay first...ask questions later.
That's exactly what he does...
That's why he gave Malik the contract he hated him for.
You gotta be freaking kidding me?
Chatroom...draft night, 2003.
And who was the one player in Pop's history that he went with over Bowen for defensive purposes? Devin Brown. Before Devin was run out of town for not having the maturity of a 37-year-old Jerome Kersey, of course.
Are you talking about Dirk?
Pop never sticks with one guy on Dirk...
Devin was an entirely different thing...more like Tony. Like a son or something.
Bowen's different...he's Pop's soulmate.
You watch...Bowen is the guy that will still be here playing a big role past his time, without Pop trying to first get rid of him.
Not even Drob got that...
You are mixing up my Michael Finley quote. That's what I said about Finley ... even though Devin should have been kept, too.
I was one of the original anti-Kidd activists. Perhaps I said something like "if Kidd wants to talk, you listen to what he has to say" in a backwoods chatroom when I was drunk but I never advocated adding him in place of Parker.
I'm talking about Devin on Kobe in the .4 game.
Different...the Lakers were beating the crap out of Bowen's 190lb body on picks. That was a physical thing...
If you want to say that...you can say Hedo too...Hedo's year here here Pop went with him on LeBRon and Artest right off the bat.
Dude...how long have I been saying if you have a chance to draft a guy named Greek Baby Shaq you do it...no questions asked...I stole that quote from you....in chat, that night.
I don't know you were in favor of dumping Parker for him...but I am pretty damn sure you wanted him.
You seem to be pretty fond of him in fantasy leagues too.
I posted for two years how I didn't want Kidd. I wouldn't go into a chatroom and say differently unless I was drunk or joking or both.
Wait, did you even post here in 2003? I thought you came over after getting into an Horry argument in 2004.
Yeah, you did. Tried to play timvp like he crazy, shii--i-iii-i-i--iiyet.
um...we signed Horry in the summer of 03...the same year we passed on Greek Baby Shaq, and that Polish ddude you all wanted, and gave Leandro Barbosa away and Jason Kidd said no to SA.
It was the first draft chat in FSP history...and you wound me.
And I was over here before then...while the playoffs were still on.
You must be drunk now...
Free agency is after the draft. The 2003 draft was June 28th. Horry was signed July 24th. You came to FSP after an argument about the signing of Horry.
Or at least that's what you've always claimed.
Right?
You two argue with each other too much.
Is timvp subbing for ChumpDumper?
Or are you two having an affair?
Whatever happened to ChumpDumper?
Chump went to Vegas and hasn't return yet. Hopefully we get a full ChumpDumper report this week.
timvp doesn't drink and use the computer anymore. I've learned my lesson.
Um...the thread was made at SR before the playoffs were even over....before FA started etc.
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