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    cliff floyd is an idiot with this astros "conspiracy"
    he sure wasn't complaining when he faced Patton and Albers earlier.
    like the cubs never called up prospects at the end of one of their many losing seasons.
    While I'm not taking sides here, there is an unwritten rule in baseball that non-contenders pitch their veterans against contenders.

    A favorite Cubs blogger of mine put it best, I think...

    OK, I buy the Oswalt thing -- but not the Woody Williams shift. Against contenders you shouldn't be "using prospects in the rotation". Houston's got ten games against non-contenders starting Thursday. Use the rookies then, Cecil Cooper, not now. And why didn't Hunter Pence start yesterday? (Tinfoil hat note: Cooper was one of the stars of Milwaukee's only World Series team. Does he want to help them get back there?)

    Anyway, those are excuses. Go out and win games. If the Cubs and Brewers should happen to wind up tied, the Cubs will host the tiebreaker game. They were 5-4 vs. the Brewers during the regular season at home, 9-6 overall.

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    While I'm not taking sides here, there is an unwritten rule in baseball that non-contenders pitch their veterans against contenders.

    A favorite Cubs blogger of mine put it best, I think...
    i know but cubs didnt mind when Troy Patton made his second start against them. nice double standard... they also faced matt albers just like the brewers.
    cubs are ing because they lost.


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    i know but cubs didnt mind when Troy Patton made his second start against them. nice double standard... they also faced matt albers just like the brewers.
    cubs are ing because they lost.


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    The difference was Patton was the scheduled starter for that game to begin with - with the Brewers, Williams was scheduled and penciled, and decided to not start.

    Even the Brewers knew this wasn't right, so called the Cubs beforehand to give them the excuse why...

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    wasn't oswalt's child born within the last day or two?

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    wasn't oswalt's child born within the last day or two?
    Yup. And noone is really blaming him for not playing, but moreso Woody Williams who has no excuse other than not wanting to play.

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    well woody sucks. he should have removed himself from the rotation 4 months ago.

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    The difference was Patton was the scheduled starter for that game to begin with - with the Brewers, Williams was scheduled and penciled, and decided to not start.

    Even the Brewers knew this wasn't right, so called the Cubs beforehand to give them the excuse why...
    there is a difference between Williams pitching and a Rookie pitching? go look up the stats lol. williams said he didnt want to start before the series started. and i thought they called bud selig not the cubs? dunno

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    Well, there is also an unwritten rule that this is the time of the year when non-contenders heal injuries and try out young future players.

    In fact, I have always thought this is the worst time, if you are a contender, to play a non-contender, because the non's are chuck full of fresh young kids trying desperately to show they belong in the bigs.

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    While I'm not taking sides here, there is an unwritten rule in baseball that non-contenders pitch their veterans against contenders.

    A favorite Cubs blogger of mine put it best, I think...
    Unwritten rules are stupid. The Cubs shouldn't be worried about what anybody is doing but themselves. If they hadn't been god awful until May, they wouldn't be in this mess as is.

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    The St. Louis Cardinals had their fluke season last year as this year goes further to showing that. Stick a fork in them, they are ing done.

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    3.5 game lead now for cubbies with 6 games left. Chicago is hardcore in the drivers seat.

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    GO CUBS GO!

    Chicago's northside (and much of the southside, even) is going absolutely nuts. This team really does have potential. If Soriano had been hitting like this all year they'd likely be a 95+ win ball club. Now that he's on, is it just chance that the Cubs have had two huge surges after the all-star break? If our starting pitching shows any semblance of consistency, the Cubs are the most well-rounded team in the NL from top to bottom.

    D-backs or Mets.... hmm... who would I rather face....

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    If Soriano had been hitting like this all year they'd likely be a 95+ win ball club.
    That's going a bit overboard, but if he had been healthy it probably would be worth a couple more wins and a clinched central by now.

    I'm not overly high on their pitching as postseason staff - but that could be said for any NL playoff team (possibly sans Padres, but their line-up doesn't put the fear of god into anybody either).

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    GO CUBS GO!
    Chicago's northside (and much of the southside, even) is going absolutely nuts.....
    Of course they are. Most scrubbie fans are known to be bandwagoneers.

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    That's pretty much the case everywhere. Having been in St. Louis this month vs. visiting St. Louis last fall - there was definitely a dramatic difference.

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    Of course they are. Most scrubbie fans are known to be bandwagoneers.
    Thats funny, how come the attendance is consistently near the top of the list for MLB, even with some of the highest ticket prices? Oh wait, Wrigley Field is nothing but a beer-fest where people will gladly pay anywhere from $30-250 for the pleasure of buying $6 Old Styles.

    Also funny how Chicago fans also has a visible presence in just about every park they visit on the road.

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    Of course they are. Most scrubbie fans are known to be bandwagoneers.
    Oh, I'm sorry. I guess baseball fans where you are go ballistic in April? Yeah. That makes sense.

    And furthermore, WOW, a fanbase getting excited about a post-season run? Shocking, I tell you. They must be bandwaggoners.

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    That's going a bit overboard, but if he had been healthy it probably would be worth a couple more wins and a clinched central by now.

    I'm not overly high on their pitching as postseason staff - but that could be said for any NL playoff team (possibly sans Padres, but their line-up doesn't put the fear of god into anybody either).
    Are you kidding? The Cubs have a realistic shot at winning out, or at least finishing with 87-88 wins. So 7-8 wins would be unrealistic if your leadoff hitter is hitting .350 (or better as he has been lately) rather than the low .200s?

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    Oh, I'm sorry. I guess baseball fans where you are go ballistic in April? Yeah. That makes sense.
    actually it does make sense for all teams because it's the start of the season and everyone has a shot at the post-season...

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    Are you kidding? The Cubs have a realistic shot at winning out, or at least finishing with 87-88 wins. So 7-8 wins would be unrealistic if your leadoff hitter is hitting .350 (or better as he has been lately) rather than the low .200s?
    Realistic? It's not impossible, but the odds are heavily against the Cubs winning out, even with an easy schedule and September rosters.

    And Soriano has not been hitting in the low .200s, even before this hot streak. Even if you extrapolated his past 3 weeks over the entire season, it still would not be worth 8 wins over what he normally gives you (probably closer to 3 - his WARP3 over this streak over an entire season is probably equal to about 12, and normally he is in the 8-10 range). I'll be interested to see what the final WARP3 numbers released are.

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    So, if the scrubbies get 84/85 wins, then win the WS, they can become the 2nd worst team to ever win a WS. Second fiddle to the Cards, again.

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    Realistic? It's not impossible, but the odds are heavily against the Cubs winning out, even with an easy schedule and September rosters.

    And Soriano has not been hitting in the low .200s, even before this hot streak. Even if you extrapolated his past 3 weeks over the entire season, it still would not be worth 8 wins over what he normally gives you (probably closer to 3 - his WARP3 over this streak over an entire season is probably equal to about 12, and normally he is in the 8-10 range). I'll be interested to see what the final WARP3 numbers released are.
    Well, he did start the season hitting very poorly, ~.220 through mid-April, but I admit that I thought he had a much worse two months start to the year. I remember his April being a lot worse than .270, so I was incorrect in that statement.

    Still, I think we will probably sweep the Marlins, and maybe lose 1 more game the rest of the way. 5-1 isn't that difficult against the upcoming opponents if our bats stay hot.

    And we had Lee hurt/suspended for a portion of this year. No excuses, it's just that this team did have the potential to win quite a few more games. It's sad that we're the worst division leader at this point of the season, record-wise, but I'll take a playoff birth and a hot-hitting team any day!

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    Well, he did start the season hitting very poorly, ~.220 through mid-April, but I admit that I thought he had a much worse two months start to the year. I remember his April being a lot worse than .270, so I was incorrect in that statement.

    Still, I think we will probably sweep the Marlins, and maybe lose 1 more game the rest of the way. 5-1 isn't that difficult against the upcoming opponents if our bats stay hot.

    And we had Lee hurt/suspended for a portion of this year. No excuses, it's just that this team did have the potential to win quite a few more games. It's sad that we're the worst division leader at this point of the season, record-wise, but I'll take a playoff birth and a hot-hitting team any day!
    Would you rather be the worst division-leader record wise or the first to clinch a NL division championship? For me, that's an easy one. Cubs have the lowest Magic Number in the NL at 4. (tied with Arizona currently)

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    The Cubs have a realistic shot at winning out
    winning out or losing out?

    of all people, cubs fans should know about counting their chickens before they were hatched.

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    Thank goodness that Florida series is over. I felt bad about that from the very beginning. I'll take the few good spots out of it (Craig Monroe's HR the other day, Kerry Wood's great relief pitching today) and get the out.

    Despite the Cubs getting swept, the Magic Number is 3 with the Brewers loss yesterday (it HURT rooting for St Louis, but it had to be done...) and the Brew Crew is currently down 4-0 to San Diego. Padres close it out, and the magic number is at 2... and this could all be finished as soon as tomorrow.

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