Spanoulis waived ?

[Bruno]

If Spanoulis sign next summer with Spurs; it will be the dream situation for Spurs.

Spurs will save money this year with the luxury tax while Spanoulis will get back his confidence in Greece.
Spurs will get a quite cheap very good prospect next summer. I don't think Spanoulis will be expensive, even if he has a great season in Europe, because he has failed one time in nba. Spurs won't be in the luxury tax area next year.

[ploto]

It's possible that he has signed a contract with Panathinaikos before being released by Spurs with a "this contract will start when Spanoulis will leave nba waivers" clause.

I'm sorry- I meant next year. If he has an opt out, then he could sign with any NBA team next year. Sounds like he and the Spurs were amicable.

[raspsa]

If Spanoulis sign next summer with Spurs; it will be the dream situation for Spurs.

Spurs will save money this year with the luxury tax while Spanoulis will get back his confidence in Greece.
Spurs will get a quite cheap very good prospect next summer. I don't think Spanoulis will be expensive, even if he has a great season in Europe, because he has failed one time in nba. Spurs won't be in the luxury tax area next year.

Yeah. it should be interesting with Splitter joining the team at the same time.. I like the potential the new players will bring.

[Indazone]

Dude, get out of here with your asinine, fantastical bull . You're verging on libel at this point.

Not if it's true its not libel LOL. Who cares it still makes for entertaining reading. Being from the Rockets side, I always wondered what made Bonzi walk off the team. Maybe Kill Bill can give us some insight into that little escapade of Bonzi's if in fact you are getting real insider information. Sides, how you gonna sue someone on the internet hahahaha.

[timvp]

Has timvp ever been so besotted with a worthless player?

Reggie Evans didn't get to play last year so he was pretty worthless . . .

Seriously though, we are talking about a potential third string point guard who can possibly work his way up to the backup position. You aren't going to find a superstar for an LLE contract.

I've seen V-Span play a number of times and he has NBA potential. Whether he will ever live up to it, who knows. He's no superstar or anything but we are talking about an LLE player. It's virtually no risk, especially with Jacque Vaughn on board.

Chances are he plays in Greece the rest of his life and we never hear from him again. However, he's worthy of discussion and I'm not going to hold one year under Jeff Van Gundy against him as absolute evidence that he sucks. Van Gundy in his career has coached one other European player -- Bostjan Nachbar. Nachbar looked horrrrrrrrrrrible under Van Gundy but now that he's on a different team, he actually puts up nice stats.

I liked V-Span last year before he got on the Rockets. I still think he has the upside to be better than Jacque Vaughn . . . which of course isn't saying much.

[medstudent]

Dude, get out of here with your asinine, fantastical bull . You're verging on libel at this point.

Take a chill pill.

How do you know he's not speaking the truth?

[ducks]

yeah lets sign a guy like nash with the lle to backup nash

people need to use their brains sometimes

[Indazone]

Billy tell me that he signs with Pana contract before Spurs released him, he signs it just a little after Rockets get beat by Jazz. He did change his mind and wanted to play with Spurs after talking to Parker. Spurs want him and told him they want to keep him.

Billy have made up his mind originally to leave NBA because of Rockets and Van Gundy and also because they would not allow him time with his mother. His mother even came to US to Houston and the coach would not let him call to talk to him when she was depressed and the team was traveling. Billy says that Van Gundy kept making fun of his language and accent in practice and how he ask what coach is saying sometimes.

He says Van Gundy tells him he needs translator like Yao but that he won't allow one this time because he doesn't want them around practice. Billy speaks English but sometimes he have problems with some things being said and some terms, he ask question and instead of being told answer by coach Van Gundy makes fun of him and accent.

He says then the coach would tell him that's why he rides bench, because he doesn't have time to explain things it's easier to just make him sit there than tell him things.

It makes it hard for him to get plays and Van Gundy told him he couldn't play point guard. He says Rockets coach make many players angry, himself, Yao, Mutombo, Wells, Snyder, Lucas, Novak, Howard, Tsakalidis, Hayes.

He says Rockets coach always let T-Mac, Head, Alston, Battier practice how they want. He never yell at them in practice and always talks nice and gentle with them.

He always yell at other players and always on them like crazy. He act worst with Billy and Yao. He says himself and Yao and Lucas works on game all day all time and always coach be so mean to them like a crazy dog. He says the coach always calling him, Yao, Hayes, Lucas names and calling them out. He says T-Mac never ever get this abuse.

So Billy went ahead and signed the contract with Pana before Rockets traded him. Because FIBA has rule against this the team could not send the contract in until he was released by Rockets. But from when the contract is signed it is binding.

Rockets then trade Billy to Spurs. Pana still cannot send contract in until Spurs release him due to FIBA rules, but because Billy sign contract already it is binding he play with Pana.

So Billy and his agent and Pana work out where Billy can opt out of his contract after one year if he wants to play with Spurs and if they still want him at that time.

Only reason he not going to Spurs training camp is because he already signs contract with Pana and that's binding.

Spurs like him more than Vaughn and Beno. Parker he says told Buford he likes his game very much. Also he says Lindsey tells Spurs he is much better player than Vaughn or Beno.

Billy tells me he stays with Pana this year, gets his mother back in good health and him and his brother get a situation set up for her help.

His goal for year is Greek league le, Greek cup and Euroleague le. He sets goal to be Greek league MVP, playoffs MVP, Euroleague MVP and Euroleague playoff MVP.

He will work on his game all year very hard, especially ball handling, turnovers, NBA range 3 point shooting out to 8 m he says and he keeps using weights. He then try to make Spurs next year as FA at Spurs training camp. He says they already give him invite.

If this is true, this is Prime Grade A Plus Dirt...I mean Dish. Keep it coming..this is great. If it's not true then it's a good for a laugh like the National Enquirer.

[Bruno]

If he has an opt out, then he could sign with any NBA team next year. Sounds like he and the Spurs were amicable.

I think it's more than just being amicable.
If Spanoulis come back in nba, he will really try to find the right team for him. Spurs are likely the right team for him and that's why he has said that he could sign with them next summer.

If Spanoulis decide to go back in the nba, it will likely be with Spurs but I don't think that he will be back in nba soon. I don't see him leaving the Greece next summer.

[lemon]

I don't see him leaving the Greece next summer.

I hope not! He's so great with Pana and coach Obradovic!

[TDMVPDPOY]

If this is true, this is Prime Grade A Plus Dirt...I mean Dish. Keep it coming..this is great. If it's not true then it's a good for a laugh like the National Enquirer.

wattabout dpoy?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

I just wanted to say since people here wonder, Billy did say since he has opt out after one year his agent gets some other camp invites.

Billy get camp invites for next year from Mavericks of Dallas, Pistons of Detroit, Raptors of Toronto, Suns of Phoenix, Kings of Sacramento, Jazz of Utah, Warriors of Golden State, Wizards of Washington, Grizzlies of Memphis, and Spurs.

Billy say he definitely give preference and priority to Spurs as this was already worked out with them and his agent.

But he also say that Kings, Mavs, Jazz, Pistons express much interest to his agent.

Billy tell me that Joe Dumars tell his agent if things don't work out in Spurs camp Pistons offers him contract if he wants to come back to NBA. Pistons he says like him very much.

But Billy say he by far want to play with 4 time champion Spurs most over any other team. Billy also say he like Rick Adelman and Rockets teammates very much. He like Carroll Dawson and Daryl Morey but he is not sure he can trust them after some things that happened over playing time and what positions he play.

They tell him one thing then coach does another.

He says he talks with his friend Peja much about Adelman. He knows Peja from Greek League. He says Peja tell him how great Adelman is. He says Adelman very nice to him on phone and tells him he should be starting point guard last year.

He says Yao and T-Mac asked him many times to stay with team and Adelman said he would plays over Alston and James.

But Billy says his mother too ill and Rockets because of Van Gundy treat her too poor. He has too many bad memories with Van Gundy.

He says he would like play with Rockets and Yao and T-Mac and Battier very much with Adelman but he says Rockets fans hate him.

Believe he says something about being McGrady of Athens or something and about crying about his mommy over playing time.

He says this just come from coach and is all untrue. But Rockets fans believe and make fun of him too much. He is sorry to say he cannot play there again because of this.

So Billy basically tell me in end, next year he play in Athens with Greens, San Antonio with Spurs, or Detroit with Pistons. He play for one of these teams.

He says Spurs also tells him next year better for them because they have some players who will be free agents and not re-sign with them.

[Indazone]

I just wanted to say since people here wonder, Billy did say since he has opt out after one year his agent gets some other camp invites.

Billy get camp invites for next year from Mavericks of Dallas, Pistons of Detroit, Raptors of Toronto, Suns of Phoenix, Kings of Sacramento, Jazz of Utah, Warriors of Golden State, Wizards of Washington, Grizzlies of Memphis, and Spurs.

Billy say he definitely give preference and priority to Spurs as this was already worked out with them and his agent.

But he also say that Kings, Mavs, Jazz, Pistons express much interest to his agent.

Billy tell me that Joe Dumars tell his agent if things don't work out in Spurs camp Pistons offers him contract if he wants to come back to NBA. Pistons he says like him very much.

But Billy say he by far want to play with 4 time champion Spurs most over any other team. Billy also say he like Rick Adelman and Rockets teammates very much. He like Carroll Dawson and Daryl Morey but he is not sure he can trust them after some things that happened over playing time and what positions he play.

They tell him one thing then coach does another.

He says he talks with his friend Peja much about Adelman. He knows Peja from Greek League. He says Peja tell him how great Adelman is. He says Adelman very nice to him on phone and tells him he should be starting point guard last year.

He says Yao and T-Mac asked him many times to stay with team and Adelman said he would plays over Alston and James.

But Billy says his mother too ill and Rockets because of Van Gundy treat her too poor. He has too many bad memories with Van Gundy.

He says he would like play with Rockets and Yao and T-Mac and Battier very much with Adelman but he says Rockets fans hate him.

Believe he says something about being McGrady of Athens or something and about crying about his mommy over playing time.

He says this just come from coach and is all untrue. But Rockets fans believe and make fun of him too much. He is sorry to say he cannot play there again because of this.

So Billy basically tell me in end, next year he play in Athens with Greens, San Antonio with Spurs, or Detroit with Pistons. He play for one of these teams.

He says Spurs also tells him next year better for them because they have some players who will be free agents and not re-sign with them.

I find it hard to believe that Adelman would tell him he will be starting PG with no track record in the NBA and that Rockets now have James, Brooks, Francis, and Alston. He may have said, you can compete for starting PG but I doubt he said you are going to be starting PG.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

I find it hard to believe that Adelman would tell him he will be starting PG with no track record in the NBA and that Rockets now have James, Brooks, Francis, and Alston. He may have said, you can compete for starting PG but I doubt he said you are going to be starting PG.

You miss interpret what I try to say. Billy say Adelman tells him on phone he should be starting last year. He simply have no explanation for why Rockets coach not play him. Coach Adelman watch lots of tapes and tells him and Rockets GM that if he was coach Billy would have been starter.

Coach Adelman say if he would have been coach he would play Head as backup two guard instead of backup play maker like coach Van Gundy. He would play Lucas as 3rd play maker like Van Gundy did. He would play Alston as backup play maker instead of Head, and Billy to be starting play maker instead of Alston.

Coach Adelman tell Billy he now use James in Head role and still use Billy as starter at play maker and Alston as backup. This was Billy say "probably month or so" before Francis even traded from Knicks.


Billy also say that Rockets mainly draft Brooks because Billy's agent tell them he will not play for them again due to treatment of former coach and fans misconceivings about him.

He says Rockets not draft Splitter so Spurs can get him, then Spurs trade Scola to Rockets since Rockets not take Splitter. Rockets then gives Billy to Spurs and takes Butler off their hands.

This why Rockets first draft Brooks, also why they take play maker. They not even know Francis be available at this time. Rockets very happy because Scola can come to play right away and Splitter cannot. Scola NBA ready and Splitter just his backup.

Adelman not keeping Lucas anyway so they draft Brooks because Rockets like him more. So with Billy and Lucas going and not knowing Francis become available they need new 3rd play maker.

[Reggie Miller]

Dear Kill Bill Pana:

Many of us actually enjoy your posts. Please stick around.

As I said earlier, everything I have read in this thread about JVG rings true to me, at least.

[remingtonbo2001]

You miss interpret what I try to say. Billy say Adelman tells him on phone he should be starting last year. He simply have no explanation for why Rockets coach not play him. Coach Adelman watch lots of tapes and tells him and Rockets GM that if he was coach Billy would have been starter.

Coach Adelman say if he would have been coach he would play Head as backup two guard instead of backup play maker like coach Van Gundy. He would play Lucas as 3rd play maker like Van Gundy did. He would play Alston as backup play maker instead of Head, and Billy to be starting play maker instead of Alston.

Coach Adelman tell Billy he now use James in Head role and still use Billy as starter at play maker and Alston as backup. This was Billy say "probably month or so" before Francis even traded from Knicks.


Billy also say that Rockets mainly draft Brooks because Billy's agent tell them he will not play for them again due to treatment of former coach and fans misconceivings about him.

He says Rockets not draft Splitter so Spurs can get him, then Spurs trade Scola to Rockets since Rockets not take Splitter. Rockets then gives Billy to Spurs and takes Butler off their hands.

This why Rockets first draft Brooks, also why they take play maker. They not even know Francis be available at this time. Rockets very happy because Scola can come to play right away and Splitter cannot. Scola NBA ready and Splitter just his backup.

Adelman not keeping Lucas anyway so they draft Brooks because Rockets like him more. So with Billy and Lucas going and not knowing Francis become available they need new 3rd play maker.

Interesting post. I'll be waiting for the Ludden article.

[remingtonbo2001]

If this is true, this is Prime Grade A Plus Dirt...I mean Dish. Keep it coming..this is great. If it's not true then it's a good for a laugh like the National Enquirer.

That's EXACTLY what I was just thinking. These are the kind of posts we need on SPURSTALK.