Duncan played through it, and it got better during the playoffs.
I guess he's just tougher than Greek players.
Are you not able reads?
Where it say ANYTHING about GUARANTEE play time?
You must be poor school attend. Spurs would bring player to be rotation player NOT ride bench all year. Player understand being offer chance as rotation player not just garbage throw away to never play.
This = "guarantee play time" to you must make you some weird reading problem.
Guess reason it never go away until off season because he never rest it. Guess you not very smart.
If the Spurs agree to have a player not ride the bench, then the Spurs are guaranteeing playing time.
It went away while he was playing. Guess you are not very smart.
I give one more chance then ask Kori make you stop with such lies.
They give gurantee of OFFER to players to get play time not guarantee of play time. YOU MUST BE VERY UNEDUCATE.
Players not have guarantee play time on current teams in Europe.
Spanoulis only get more minute than Saras because he outplay him in practice owner even say guards be bench with maybe 5 minute a game if not out play other. Vujanic be starting point guard on most top 8 Euroleage team probable and he get like 5-10 minute a game.
Saras get like 20 minute a game because Spanoulis and Diamantidis outplay him so far in practice.
You think player ask for guarantee play time? You crazy they ask for guarantee for fair chance. That why Spanoulis so mad at Rocket GM lie to him.
First he lie about guarantee play time of 10 minute and also say you actual get 20-25 minute. Then Spanoulis find out this lie and coach act like he not know about it even though he tell Spanoulis same thing on phone.
Then Spanoulis outplay Lucas and Head all practice and almost all practice Alston and just throw away bench because coach mad that Spanoulis "complain to press"
Spanoulis say 'I T-Mac of Greece' but Spanoulis NEVER say that Van Gundy make it up then go on radio and make fun of him and his accent.
Spanoulis get mad and angry and complain to Gm about this and coach then say "see now doghouse like Bonzi all player complain go doghouse for me"
Greek player want assurance and promise this type treatment NOT happen this be guarantee of fair chance for offer of play time NOT guarantee play time.
STOP act like stupid person, Greek basketball leaders are very angry with what Van Gundy do to Spanoulis and how he act and make up lie to press and so many thing like this that NEVER be allow in Greece. In Greece coach be suspended if do such thing as make up lie and say player do and say thing not actual happen.
They want make sure agreement with Popovich such thing not happen by Spurs team.
STOP making up lie "ask for play time guarantee" just make Greek look bad or just so can make fun of.
Kori I provide two link prove what I say and prove he lie.
I be patient and nothing to stop his lie. I ask you explain him stop nonsenses.
They give gurantee of OFFER to players to get play time not guarantee of play time.
Look, you have ed for months that the Rockets broke their guarantee of playing time to Spamoliosis -- now you are trying to claim that Greek players never get or want guarantees of playing time -- just guarantees of offers of playing time.
Priceless.
I'm not lying when I say Duncan played through his PF and it got better.
A lie would be saying something like the deal for NBA expansion into Europe has been completed.
You know what's bad manners? Coming in here with your ty English that we can't understand and instead of clarifying when we tell you we don't understand, you tell us we're rude, stupid, and uneducated.
And by the way, we spell it "American".
Now then, in your first post, you implied that Pop told the Greek team Spanoulis wouldn't "ride the bench". What we're trying to tell you is we find it very hard to believe Pop would ever make such a promise to anybody. Instead of being a jerk, you could've simply clarified your statement and said, "Pop suggested there isa good chance Spanoulis will likely be an important back up point guard and probably play about 20 minutes a game barring doing something stupid and getting his ass benched..." Wouldn't that have been better, Mr Good Manners??
You make me VERY angry. I say ONLY Rocket Gm Dawson is one who made lie about guarantee play time. Spanoulis know now it just lie to trick him to sign.
Look, you have ed for months that the Rockets broke their guarantee of playing time to Spamoliosis -- now you are trying to claim that Greek players never get or want guarantees of playing time -- just guarantees of offers of playing time.
Priceless.
Spanoulis know now there is no thing of NBA just like no such thing in Greece.
You understand ANYTHING?
Greek player lied to over and over by GM. Greek player over and over accuse of thing say and do he never say and do by coach.
Greek basketball leader now realize NBA not have any rule at all control such lies of GM and coaches so they DO NOT TRUST NBA NOW!
So before ANY discussion with NBA must have on record discussion with Popovich.
Get your stupid lies about Popovich promise play time away from me.
He act VERY rude. He keep making up lie on purpose and think it funny.
And I say over and over what problem is.
Greek people not some idiots.
Greek basketball leaders are very mad at what Dawson and Van Gundy do.
Dawson lie about play time be guaranteed and then tell Spanoulis there is no such thing but lie to him to trick him to sign contract.
Van Gundy say same lie over phone then say he never say such thing.
Van Gundy lie to press about Spanoulis say "I am T-Mac of Greece" and go on radio and say it and laugh then make fun of his accent.
This made Spanoulis mad and hurt his feelings and he did not understand coach act this way toward player. He never have such coach act in such way ever. This never go on in Greece. He tell Rocket GM Dawson he mad about this and mad that reporters kept saying he said this but even though this never happen.
He ask Dawson talk to Van Gundy about this and tell reporter truth. Billy see many fans make fun of him for this and he hurt.
Dawson tell Van Gundy about it and explain he also upset by type of behavior by coach and owner to. Van Gundy then bench Billy all year and say "see doggie house to you just like Bonzi who also complain"
All player complain or question him go doggie house forever.
After this all happen Greek basketball leader decide if ANY NBA team have interest in player coach Giannakis will have meeting personal with representer of team.
Spurs want Spanoulis after trade and Popovich NOT allow talk to Spanoulis. This rule because of what Dawson and Van Gundy do.
Spurs told can only talk to agent or Panathinaikos owners.
Also if Spurs have interest in other Greek player like Diamantidis or Papaloukas first must talk with coacg Giannakis and everything must be approve first by Greek basketball leaders.
You must be crazy if not realize Argentina and China already have such agreemtents and rules.
Greece not have these because not realize how NBA act and have no rule for GM and coach to follow.
Now Greece have same rules just like China and Argentina.
You act like this mean "promise play time" make you seem very foolish.
Why? What would that accomplish? He won't guarantee anything to anybody.
Get your stupid lies about the NBA expansion into Europe away from me.
See he again make up lie about promise play time.
Also lie about european expansion. Like I say many time I post ONLY what Athens media report and gave links for posters here.
I NEVER say anyting just post links and give infos about reports.
This member chump keep make up lie that I make claim. I not make claim Athens reporters say so and I give links to this.
If he think this lie why Kori not ask him yet to email Athens reportes about it? Why Kori still let him keep accuse me of do something I never do?
Van Gundy really said "doggie house"?
Some people are just rude. Welcome to the world wide web. That doesn't mean you have to be an ass to the rest of us. Nobody said you're stupid because you're Greek.Don't take it personally if we don't understand you or if we disagree. We're just having a lively discussion.
Again, from what you wrote it sounds like you said Pop promised play time. It doesn't make us "foolish" if that's what it sounds like. I applaud you for trying to give us this info despite the language barrier. It must be frustrating to be misunderstood; but that's all it is. Don't take it personally and don't be rude to us when we don't understand.
I said Pop would never guarantee anything, so there is really no reason to talk to him before signing. This is not a lie.
The report was a lie and you spend weeks saying it was true and disparang Ameriga, the Amerigan media and Amerigan message boards.
Because she's a member of the Amerigan media and she doesn't appreciate your lies about them.
Yes Billy tell me many time. He actual use words doggie house to him and Bonzi and Snyder and also threaten other player with this if question him. Mutombo get mad about play time and get doggie house at end of playoff series.
LOL this thread is hilarious
Cheer up then. At least he didn't send him to the puppy house.
Ok I try explain better. But chumpdumper try make me look like liar on purpose.Some people are just rude. Welcome to the world wide web. That doesn't mean you have to be an ass to the rest of us. Nobody said you're stupid because you're Greek.
Again, from what you wrote it sounds like you said Pop promised play time. It doesn't make us "foolish" if that's what it sounds like. I applaud you for trying to give us this info despite the language barrier. It must be frustrating to be misunderstood; but that's all it is. Don't take it personally and don't be rude to us when we don't understand.
here I try
The Greek basketball leaders want help protect Greek players from such terrible behavior and lie in future.
So now they be set rules like China and Argentina have.
They not say you have to promise play time to player. They say look what Van Gundy and Dawson did to Spanoulis.
He promise play time by Dawson to trick him to sign contract and even ask van Gundy on phone and told same lies.
Then when come to US they say they never say this even though we know they did because Panathinaikos owners told same thing by Dawson.
Then Van Gundy go on Houston radio and make up lie that Spanoulis say "I am T-Mac of Greece" and start make fun of Greek accent.
Billy upset but wills to let go but then Houston reporters write this and say he do this then Houston fans start make fun of him.
Billy realize Van Gundy do some very bad things to get rid of player for personal issue so go to dawson and tell him to talk to van Gundy about such behavior. Dawson tell Billy he and Rocket owner also very mad at such antic by Van Gundy which also be lies about player like Nachbar and Bonzi and some others.
Dawson tell van Gundy to stop such things and think he can get aways with this just for Spanoulis language problem.
Van Gundy then tell Spanoulis he doggie house with Snyder and Wells because any player question his action bench forever.
Then Spanoulis outplay player like Lucas and Head all year in practice and have to listen to van Gundy make up lie as excuse when ever some person ask why he bench all year just like same lie like "Bonzi refuse to stop eat donuts" and such claims by Van Gundy.
Then Van Gundy tell all fan and reporter how Spanoulis "not try" in practice. These lies make Spanoulis so mad. Then his mom get sick and he ask for leave of team and coach refuse even though coach have him "doggie house" still cant leave team because coach decide rule for each player individual.
So many type things happen like this. So Greek basketball leaders make new rule to protect Greek players if they think about sign NBA contract.
Coach Giannakis who coach national team will represent Greek player and NBA team have to talk to him.
NBA team be told about these things and Stern be sent reports. This also new rule. From now on if such thing happen as Van Gundy do Stern would be sent reports from Greece and explain that further Greek player be blocks from NBA same type rules China have.
Popovich and Lindsey want Spanoulis so have to talk to Giannakis. Also have interest players of Papaloukas and Diamantidis. Every fan of Europe should know these top Greek players.
Popovich would be tells by Giannakis that it not accepted by Greece that player be benched because coach make up lie about something player say, tell it to press and fans and then when player complain about it coach bench player all year to be mean.
Popovich also be tells thing like it no longer be accepted that GM could make up false promise to any player to tricks him to sign and that from now on Greek basketball leaders will know about all things discussed by NBA team in tries to sign Greek player.
These rules also be put protect Greek draft picks. Because Spanoulis was draft pick he had no choice for NBA team. Greek official now realize other Greek draft pick could be treats same way.
Player like Spanoulis, Diamantidis, Papaloukas NEVER even consider NBA if such action as what Van Gundy do be allows.
From what has been talks about Popovich already assure Greek officials that Spurs NEVER ever tolerate such action by people in club. Popovich even supposed very suprised about Van Gundy and especial when Lindsey confirm to him all true.
Lindsey even confirm constant lies and fake promise to him also by Dawson and Rocket owner and also how coach Van Gundy constant make lies and accusation to press about players that made up.
Greek basketball leaders basic deciding players like Spanoulis, Diamantidis, Papaloukas be their 3 best players and these players they think ALL be good NBA players. They not think so of any other Greek player. They only trust Spurs team.
Coach Obradovic and Panathinaikos owners the Giannakopoulos brothers have also decide any deals of NBA should be just with Spurs. They say Popovich and Buford act just as Europe officials act but they say Rockets team act horrible and so rude impossible almost to even talk with them.
Spurs is ONLY team has trust of Greece now. Papaloukas been offer contract by team like Lakers, Clippers, Hawks, Heat, Celtics and turns them all down. Only consider maybe Celtics because of other players but only trust Spurs.
Spurs is ONLY team has even express disagreement with actions of Van Gundy. Other NBA teams act like coach can do whatever wants. Popovich tell Greek officials this things he do NEVER be allowd in Spurs organiozation.
Spurs is basic getting control of rights to all top Greek player if they choose NBA. Player such as Spanoulis, Diamantidis, Papaloukas so much superior player than Amerikan fan realize. But Spurs know this.
The promise be promise that if say Papaloukas join Spurs, Popovich not make up lie to press like "Paploukas say I am LeBron of Greece" then make fun of accent on radio then make up lies to reportrers he complains. Then when Papaloukas complain about coach behavior tells him "doggie house all year and bench all year"
Promise they ask for be that player be treated fair and like should be. Not for "guarantee" play time. Chumpdumper just try make me look like liar to be mean.
Also Spurs fan should know how player like Spanoulis really much better player than Udrih, Washington, Vaughn. Player like Papaloukas much better player verse like Finley and Barry.
Diamantidis can be player like Bowen only can also run offense as point guard and creates plays. he so much better than player like Udoka.
Spurs not stupid.
Last edited by Kill_Bill_Pana; 10-29-2007 at 02:46 PM.
Boy you have to cool down. Argentina has nothing like you said. Pepe Sanchez and Wolkowiski had problems before Manu came. Carlos Delfino had problems in Detroit and he was Euroleague FInalist with For udo Bologna in Italy.
I think Spanoulis is great. But you have to get your place by yourself. When Manu "freaking" Ginobili came to NBA he was a Super Star in Euroleague (MVP and Champion ) and had to be treated as a Rookie.
Gus
If what you say is true Bill, this sounds great to me.
I'm not convinced about this one. I'll believe it when I see it.
Damn Straight.
Yes Argentina has rule. Those player NEVER have such thing happen as what Van Gundy do to Spanoulis. This not same thing as not get as much play time as want.
Also Spanoulis rookie year compare good to Manu 2nd year of Euroleague and Lindsey has say many time Spanoulis compare in talent to Manu.
Spurs knows this because of Lindsey.
and how many consecutive years has Linsey been hittin the crack pipe?
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