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Detroit or Boston will get HCA in the PO's. I don't think any Western team will win more than 58gms or less. Definitely no 60gm winners.
Detroit is the one to watch out for if they get HCA.
Celtics or Suns losing this game is good for the other good teams in the West.
Celtics win, West teams move up.
Celtics lose, West gets a better chance to get the overall #1 seed and HCA throughout.
EDIT: Whoa, just saw that the Clips beat the Jazz 114 to 104.
Detroit or Boston will get HCA in the PO's. I don't think any Western team will win more than 58gms or less. Definitely no 60gm winners.
Detroit is the one to watch out for if they get HCA.
You damn skippy he does yoAmare LOOMS genius...get with the program
A statement game? Celtics shot horribly.
Uhhh...yeah?
Suns shot horribly, too.
Ty sexy you are too kind...now if only you would cheer for my Mavs...I am well, ty.
Hope you are well too.
A good representative of the Oklahoma State basketball program.
I don't watch the Suns on regular basis but I would bet that they don't normally win ugly games like tonight. This worries me, a little.
do not be worried. Celtics beat themselves tonight.
They won a number of ugly regular season games last year. Both of the Spurs games this year teetered on ugly and they split those.
In two games so far Shaq is doing what he needs to do.. Just be a presence in the paint.
Both teams shot horribly, but the Suns controlled the boards.. by a lot overall and 12-8 on the OREB's..
Once again, how does one guy make such a dramatic difference?
How did the Suns go from the worst rebounding team in the history of the league to being dominant on the boards?
The Celtics were "one and done" the entire game.
exactly. Garnett started his stupid antics and the whole team went down the toilet with him.
I will give Amare his props for owning Garnett, but then again, garnett owned himself.
Because he's Shaq.
I meant how the Suns outrebounded both the Lakers and Celtics who are very good rebounding teams that last two outings.
The formula for beating the Suns was crash the boards because they're terrible out rebounding and you can't outshoot them (even though the Lakers did the other night).
If the Suns are a good rebounding team now, then they're a whole lot better.
Grant Hill is a stud.
All season, we've been 30th (dead last) in rebounding. It'll be interesting to see where we can end up.
The Suns average 50% FG, but were the worst rebounding team in the league before Shaq played his first game in a Suns uniform. You're right that the formula for beating them was to control the glass, get a ton of offensive rebounds, which would lead to several more shot attempts than Phoenix. If this trend continues, the Suns will not only shoot at a higher percentage than most teams on most nights, they'll have more shot attempts, as well.
The scary thing is that if the Suns hadn't gone ice cold in the 2nd quarter, they win this game by 20+ easily...the Celtics were just plain outplayed by PHX.
Welcome to the new West, Boston!!!
I've said this in other treads...
Pre Shaq the Suns were out rebounded because the other team just had to box out Amare and if Marion couldn't jump high enough there was no one else around on the Suns to get the rebound. Rebounding in the paint was horrible for the Suns and that's why the other teams got so many OREBs.
Shaq's sheer size almost demands two players for the rebound. This now frees up Amare to go to town and pound the glass as well. If 2 Suns players require 3 opponent players in the paint than that means the Suns have a 3-2 advantage for the long rebounds.
ppl some how expect Shaq to get 25/15 or the trade is a failure, but the Suns don't need that.. They've just needed that big body in the paint to cause a disruption with other teams. So far he's doing just that.
But in the ugly games they won last year, were the scores in the 80's and 70's?
No, the ugly games were all in the 90's, high 80's, which is ugly by Phoenix's standards. We won one of those games against the Lakers (93-85), and another against the Hornets (92-83), and lost one to San Antonio (85-92), and Detroit (83-105). Those were the only "ugly" games I saw looking at the '06-'07 schedule.
This is something new.
Hmm, actually you're right.. Last year, the Suns won a few games when they scored in the low 90's, but the games when they scored in the 80's they lost.
I guess that's my point.
Someone pointed out earlier that the Celtics failed to take advantage of Shaq's biggest weakness on defense, defending the P&R. The Lakers ran that play to death and had great success with it.
Yeah but barely, lol
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