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    i went out to dinner after work so i got caught behind, but i'll take a minute to answer before going to bed...

    if you think the rockets are getting past the 1st round, you are en led to your opinion- i dont share it. ironically enough, i think this way for reasons you yourself have championed- they lack D, have lots of chokers, and are a "new" team. i would have taken the bet, and i'd take the one you propose in a heartbeat, and in fact i seem to recall both smeagol and manumaniac did take it- what bandwagoning argie homers we all are! i myself got into it with argspursfan before you, or the trade for that matter.

    Pretty much TMac by himself has the talent to get his team past the first round. He's choked in the past...and while Adelman is himself is a choker, he has a higher choke threshold than TMac and ought to get TMac out of the first round.


    Incidentally....TMac is the major reason the streak went as long as it did...

    Who's the only guy hungry enough to lead his team to win 22 games in a row? The guy who lead his team to 21 losses in a row.




    as far as your enumerated points, 1 is entirely opinion, 2 is exactly what my original point consisted of (that scola is a good backup pf for 3mill, not a mvp candidate and not on manu's level, though a better rebounder and scorer than you predicted), and 3 is speculation.

    as for your closing statement, my position has always been that given the assets the spurs have and their position in the draft, scola was good enough of a gamble to just trade away for a 2nd round pick- how many times do you expect to draft an experienced professional player with a 2nd round pick?

    anyhow now i'm pissed you are lumping me into the group that dramatized the trade and glorified scola. i never did either. i've always said the spurs made the trade looking at the future and it is premature to judge it from our end, and that scola is nothing more than a roleplayer- with two +/- factors being that here he'd have manu and oberto to guide him, but that pop and our aspirations would complicate his transition relative to houston.

    with that said i think you've made as much of a big deal of all this as any scola homer has, which prompted me to address you, but now i will return to not commenting on the subject at all as it matters little to me- the only things i want as far as basketball is concerned is a spurs repeat and an argentina repeat in beijing.

    I haven't lumped you with anyone.....I know you aren't a newbie Argie fan. Not sure where you got that from.

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    What you lack is an awareness of any posts I have made on this board prior to 3-04-2008. I have been interacting with International Fans on this board for several years(alternatenly championing their causes or pissing them off). It's presumption on your part to think you can stroll in and be as inrormed of the backstory behind these conflicts as I, or have an adequate grasp of said conflict...and while that is a trait I have noticed in some American fans...it tends to be an extremely frequent occurence with Intrernational Fans.
    I have been not posting on this board since 5 years before my awareness kicked in. So it appears you would be the one who is presumptious, and uninformed ( though admittingly, you had no good casue to beleive otherwise). So in this case (and to some degree) suprisingly, and almost unprecedented, an international fan refuses to contribute to your (well) do ented statistics.

    What i said was not based on your record, it only regarded the specific claim you made. A claim which presumably one could comment without reading through the entire opus of your posts.



    "I completely understand the idea of a person becoming a fan of the NBA based on an initial affection for a player, usually coming from their own country..."
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    " You have to be an idiot to base your NBA fandom on National Rooting Interest. It cannot be done. The NBA has nothing to do with National Baketball...why don't you go try to swim in a car...it makes more sense.
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    I dont know if this is blatently obvious as well, but this two statements dont really seem to go together that well ( at least to me, registered user since 3-04-2008). Does this take time to learn as well? Cause it looks like the totally understandable idea turns out to be a completely impossible one, and all that in a space of 10 minutes or so.
    Well if one understands their starts as a base, in a same sence that the first brick tends to be the base of the house. A base, which can in time evolve, and at the end hopefully transcend itself.

    And contrary to you, i dont think that that process ended allready. And i see nothing wrong if people who are "starting to root" for the Spurs or are Spursfans even by your tough standards are happy that their other guys are doing well in the league.

    After all, there's nothing more annoying than a fan that jacks off to the boxscore of one player, regardless of whether or not his team won. You can tolerate it for a while...but after a while, it's time for them to "get it".
    Ye, i know what you mean.

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    différence?

    I'm kidding. Je ne suis pas difficile.
    mais tu peux ferme ta bouche aussi... calling me an argentinean homer is an insult... i am a Spurs fan since 1995 then, i didnt know who Manu Ginobili was... the only Argie players i knew of then were Milanesio and Campana...

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    this is why Manu has been my favorite player in the league since the 2005 playoffs. the blood of a champion courses through his veins!

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    mais tu peux ferme ta bouche aussi... calling me an argentinean homer is an insult... i am a Spurs fan since 1995 then, i didnt know who Manu Ginobili was... the only Argie players i knew of then were Milanesio and Campana...
    And you need to mention that you are from Uruguay, not from Argentina (aunque somos tan parecidos que hasta nosotros no podemos diferenciarnos a veces ), the "homer" and argie words are despective words, dont spect correct behaviour and respect from every user on the forums.

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    And you need to mention that you are from Uruguay, not from Argentina
    let some of the guys learn some geography... Bruno was teaching some earlier... i got asked one time in Alaska in which state Uruguay is...

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    I dont know if somebody's already posted this pic, and sorry if that happened but it really really impressed me to see it

    That's the killing puppies look right there.

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    Is there any verification on this?
    Not that I've seen...but I genuinely do think the Spurs wanted more for Scola than they got. And I don't think it was possible for them to get more at the time they traded him.

    #1. Teams were a little hesitant about getting burned.
    #2. It wasn't exactly Top Secret info that the Spurs and Scola might have some issues and that Scola could walk on them.






    Seems pretty sketchy considering the rule preventing teams from trading consecutive picks.

    That and the utter preposterousness of the idea.

    I don't know...we gave up Malik Rose and 2#1 picks for Nazr. I know part of that was Malik's contract, but two #1's is still a steep price for Nazr. Depends on how late those picks were as well.


    I figured the Spurs could at least get Nocioni...Bulls were stupid to turn down Scola if they had a shot at him, and Paxon should get fired for doing it. I just don't think the great offers were around at that point..and I think it's even possible they had to trade him when they did and couldn't hold to him to up his value as many have suggested.



    I just don"t think Pop and RC were sitting there saying...screw us, let's help the Rockets, like everyone else seems to think. And I bet they are as surprised they couldn't get more for a Euroleague MVP as the Scola fans are.

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    Whott shut the up...this is not a Scola thread puto.

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    I dont know if somebody's already posted this pic, and sorry if that happened but it really really impressed me to see it

    I saw this video in Youtube about his dad saying that Manu hates to lose, he was right...He looks really angry there.

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    Have any of the non-Argie fans (regulars), defended the acquisition of Scola when those news snippets were released that showed what kind of character Scola had been (the comments, etc.), or were they not as bothered by those comments? I wasn't around the forum at the time.
    The at ude was it was a stupid thing to say, but he was a good enough player to let it slide...the problem was that he would go on to say similar stupi things for the rest of his time as a Spurs prospect...after a while you have to conclude that this guy says stupid things, and he's really not worth all the trouble.






    Seems like you have valid reasons to dislike the guy, in comparison to the other two we got--Oberto, Manu who seem to be pretty mature in their comments,


    Dude...what he said the night he was drafted...it's like inviting someone into your home for dinner and them complaining that the food isn't good. Very offensive...even if you understand his reasons for saying it. And I'm not certain that he didn't hold that against the Spurs either.



    As for Manu....I think Oberto is the one Manu looks up too...he and Oberto seem a lot alike, and Oberto is a couple years older...


    Matter of fact...the reason Manu doesn't mind going to the bench is probably something he learned from Oberto.





    you're doing a lot of extrapolating, though. I thought he had a pretty good interview earlier in this season that seemed to reflect the other Argie-team..but whatever those comments you mentioned about the draft seem to show his possible immaturity/ the mark of an ingrate.

    Mark of a bonehead...he took stuff out on the Spurs for drafting him...they drafted him and he was insulted by it...and he in turn insulted them.

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    Whott shut the up...this is not a Scola thread

    Blame the instigator known as smeagollllll


    puto.
    puto? It's come to this? puto?


    I can't believe you just called me a puto. I don't think I've ever been called a puto before in my life, how dare you call me a puto.

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    puto? It's come to this? puto?


    I can't believe you just called me a puto. I don't think I've ever been called a puto before in my life, how dare you call me a puto.
    Don't worry, you'll get used to it really fast

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    Blame the instigator known as smeagollllll

    puto? It's come to this? puto?

    I can't believe you just called me a puto. I don't think I've ever been called a puto before in my life, how dare you call me a puto.
    puto could be used in a friendly way and it is better than "la concha de tu madre" lol

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    I can't believe you just called me a puto. I don't think I've ever been called a puto before in my life, how dare you call me a puto.
    I don't believe you, they are so many Argentinean humanoids that hate you because of their Scola love and they never called you that, I’m shocked to say the least.

    Anyways Scola, he looks like a re ed rat and doesn't play for the Spurs, so please stop bringing his name to the Spurs forums like I just did.

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    I know you weren't here then...that was before Manu was even on the team. There was only one Argie here then...and his name was Fizzzar.

    I'm still here everyday, I just got tired of posting and became a lurker.

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    Anyways Scola, he looks like a re ed rat and doesn't play for the Spurs, so please stop bringing his name to the Spurs forums like I just did.

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    He should have practiced his 3 pointer instead of writing articles.

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    I'm still here everyday, I just got tired of posting and became a lurker.

    ^^^^Ladies and gents, The Argentine whose Spurfan credentials are unquestionable. Long time no see Fizzzar, and good to see you are still around

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    all you putos.

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    puto could be used in a friendly way and it is better than "la concha de tu madre" lol
    -------> This is good material for a new thread "The official Latino insults thread" :P, (la concha de tu madre es bien rioplatense :P)

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    ^^^^Ladies and gents, The Argentine whose Spurfan credentials are unquestionable. Long time no see Fizzzar, and good to see you are still around
    I don't share your hate for Scola... I want him to get to the conference finals, just in time to be swept by the Spurs

    Don't be so hard on the guy, he was just frustrated cause his dream was to play in the nba and he was being fvcked by his agent, his ballclub (TAU) and the Spurs were asking him to get better on aspects of his game where he was very good at. Anyone would have reacted that way, it's human nature.

    P.S.: Let it die, I'm more pissed than almost everyone here but even I have put it behind.

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    I don't share your hate for Scola... I want him to get to the conference finals, just in time to be swept by the Spurs

    Don't be so hard on the guy, he was just frustrated cause his dream was to play in the nba and he was being fvcked by his agent, his ballclub (TAU) and the Spurs were asking him to get better on aspects of his game where he was very good at. Anyone would have reacted that way, it's human nature.

    P.S.: Let it die, I'm more pissed than almost everyone here but even I have put it behind.
    *removes Argentine knife from back* Just kidding.

    Seriously, I know you don't share my opinion, actually I don't think many Argies do...but you have credibility because you were around when all this stuff going on and the stuff was being posted on the forum.

    In fact you probably posted some of the stuff(like the interview with Scola when he was drafted) before SpursTalk/FSP was even around. I'm pretty sure it was you.

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    Manu didn't say people are ok with losing, he said they didn't take it as hard as he did. There is a difference there and its important.

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    ^^^^Ladies and gents, The Argentine whose Spurfan credentials are unquestionable. Long time no see Fizzzar, and good to see you are still around
    Yes, because being a Spurstalk member is the be all, end all when it comes to Spurs fan credentials huh? Give me a break Whottt! Who are you to validate anyone's credentials??

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