official offseason thread

[Chinook]

And so it begins... The overrating of Devin.

Let the zombie floodgates burst open.

High draft pick or not, you play the best players.

I guess Keldon still has to earn people's respect around here. He would have been a top 10 draft pick in this draft, knowing what we know (most compe ive player, scores efficiently, extreme work ethic easily seen by the improvement to his body)

You don't "start the best players". You start the combinations of players you believe will get you the best outcome. Remember that Pop started Bryn Forbes last year and only started Johnson after DeRozan was scratched. I don't think you can assume that Pop will use the rotation you want. I should also be the case that they REALLY liked Vassell. You may not have liked him as much, but the Spurs may well see a guy they think is their new blue-chipper. If that's the case, you start him and don't worry about anything else.

Of course, with no DeRozan, Johnson could possibly get the nod over Walker to be the two-guard. I like his fit with White better than the one with Murray though.

[Chinook]

Trade DeMar, Metu to Orlando for AG, Bamba. If Poeltl costs too much, let him walk. Season goes well, trade LMA before trade deadline.

DW - PM - TJ
DJM - LW4 - QW
AG - KJ - DV
LMA - RG - LS
TL - MB - DE

That lineup is awful, no lie.

[TD 21]

The actualized version of Vassell is the best starting option opposite DeRozan on the wing, but with no Summer League and a condensed preseason and this team having virtually no margin for error if they're to be a playoff team, I can't see him starting from day one.

He'll probably be on the fringe of the rotation, battling Walker/Johnson for backup wing minutes.

[LCM]

That lineup is awful, no lie.

What works for you?

[Dejounte]

You don't "start the best players". You start the combinations of players you believe will get you the best outcome. Remember that Pop started Bryn Forbes last year and only started Johnson after DeRozan was scratched. I don't think you can assume that Pop will use the rotation you want. I should also be the case that they REALLY liked Vassell. You may not have liked him as much, but the Spurs may well see a guy they think is their new blue-chipper. If that's the case, you start him and don't worry about anything else.

Of course, with no DeRozan, Johnson could possibly get the nod over Walker to be the two-guard. I like his fit with White better than the one with Murray though.

"Really liked Vassell" is missing so many layers. Just because you "like" a prospect in a certain draft, doesn't mean it overrides everything else. That's a silly take. That's like saying I like ice cream today, and I liked chips yesterday. Doesn't mean I like ice cream over chips.

[Drom John]

Bang for the buck, worth less salary

$25,144,937 White
$11,870,114 Poeltl
$ 8,571.429 Mills
$ 5,678,265 Murray
$ 1,881,240 Johnson
$ 1,399,671 Zeller (sample size error)
$ 203,712 Metu
-$ 512,721 Carroll (not included in worth)
-$ 689,920 Samanic
-$1,273,068 Walker
-$1,349,383 Moore
-$1,378,242 Paul
-$1,971,889 Forbes
-$2,500,000 Ginobili
-$2,935,247 Lyles
-$4,429,302 Belinelli
-$6,343,500 Gay
-$13,698,879 DeRozan
-$15,500,000 Aldridge

[EasyMoney]

Hassan Whiteside likely not returning to Portland. Might only be getting the MLE

[mo7888]

I know FA opens here shortly but, deals that involve a S&T can those be announced today or is that tampering of some type?

[Leetonidas]

Did Chinook really suggest trading for Tobias Harris?? your cap skills are unmatched but that is a disgusting trade proposal my guy. Harris is a top 3 worst contract in the league behind John Wall and Klay Thompson now

[TD 21]

Augustin makes a lot of sense for the Bucks. Don't think they'd have traded DiVincenzo for Mills anyway. Both third guards, only the former is significantly younger/cheaper for the next 2 years. The offer probably would have been Ilyasova, Wilson and 2 2nds.

They could sign and trade Robin Lopez 3 years/39M (13M per) with only the first year guaranteed. It matched Mills salary, SA can let Poeltl walk and preserve cap space and have their one year replacement for Poeltl as well. Then waive Robin next season.

Robin agrees because he was making 5M so he gets a big one year deal and he gets right back into FA next year with more money.

Boom. Done.

I don't like it at all. Makes the team worse without getting a worthwhile asset for it. Mills is expiring himself and they'll have significant cap space next off season whether Poeltl is re-signed or not.

Also, unless you're going to utilize it as a dumping ground for dead money to extract draft capital, it's overrated. As long as you have an easy path to creating it if need be, that's all that matters.

Philly was the other rumored place. I hope Mills gets another shot at a chip.

Curry will fill the same role Mills would have.

An underrated potential deal could be G and DeRozan for Harris (and hopefully some compensation). With Green and Curry on the roster, the Sixers no longer have spacing issues

They still have spacing issues with their two best players. DeRozan would only compound those, which makes him untenable. With Embiid a dominant post player/limited shooter and Simmons a non one, virtually everyone else has to be one.

[Dejounte]

I also don't think it's Keldon that Devin would be supplanting... That would be Lonnie whose role is in danger, unless he can have more point guard duties.

[Degoat]

I also don't think it's Keldon that Devin would be supplanting... That would be Lonnie whose role is in danger.

I agree, I honestly think this is a make or break year for Lonnie with the spurs, he has so much elite potential but Keldon out played him in the bubble and if Devin shows better too this season it’ll be bad news for Lonnie

[TD 21]

Agreed on Walker being more in danger than Johnson, but it's all up in the air really.

In a scenario where Aldridge and/or DeRozan are traded (yeah, right), Harris wouldn't be a bad idea if it meant extracting draft capital alongside, but they've cleared so much money at this point that they're better off not salary dumping him because he is a good fit (especially now that he can revert to defending PF's), just drastically overpaid.

[cjw]

Did Chinook really suggest trading for Tobias Harris?? your cap skills are unmatched but that is a disgusting trade proposal my guy. Harris is a top 3 worst contract in the league behind John Wall and Klay Thompson now

Nah, I’d rather have Klay... and that’s scary to prefer a guy who won’t have played in an NBA game for two years who probably will go from being a very good defender to a minus, albeit not a Forbes or Beli.

Tobias will help you win just enough games to hurt your draft spot.

[Degoat]

Not gonna lie I was going through the free agency list and there so many bigs I’d rather have then Jakob lol

[Dejounte]

Lonnie vs Devin is the new Murray vs White.

Wait for it.

[Mugen]

Lonnie vs Devin is the new Murray vs White.

Wait for it.

Does that mean they won't play together until all possible options have been exhausted and the team is out of the playoffs? What a senile old man

[DesignatedT]

There is no Murray vs White. White is 10x better.

[Dejounte]

There is no Murray vs White. White is 10x better.

Well yeah, we can say that now. But a year or two years ago?

[objective]

Does that mean they won't play together until all possible options have been exhausted and the team is out of the playoffs? What a senile old man

Yes

[Leetonidas]

so free agency officially begins in like 10 minutes right? i wonder if we'll start hearing about agreements tonight

[cjw]

so free agency officially begins in like 10 minutes right? i wonder if we'll start hearing about agreements tonight

We will start at 6:00 and one second. I’m sure Woj and Shams have tweets saved as drafts

[Robz4000]

Hayward going to Indy. Now I can stop hearing/reading about the Spurs trading for him.

[gambit1990]

spurs waive metu.

[Joseph Kony]

I can already see

6:01PM - Spurs and Forbes agree to 4 year, 54 million dollar extension fully guaranteed