Young: sources tell @ExpressNews that Kawhi Leonard wants to be traded from Spurs

[Chillen]

If I was Spurs unless some ridiculous offer comes their way that is to good to refuse I would just hold onto Leonard wether he wants to be a San Antonio Spur or not. At least wait to the trade deadline and see how this all evolves. Don't let the media or anyone put pressure on you to trade Kawhi so the LA Lakers superteam forms, lol.

So keep him see how far he takes this and trade him at the deadline if he won't play. Spurs have more leverage than the media pundits realize they have no obligation to trade him now because he is disgruntled. His job is to suit up and play basketball and help his team win.

If they won't offer him the supermax I can't blame the Spurs one bit.

Regardless if they have issues with him next season or he won't play they have to get what they can for him by the NBA trade deadline. Only trade him now if the offer is to good to refuse, otherwise let him stay a Spur for next season.

[r0drig0lac]

I'm not giving him away to anyone. If the offers remain crap by the trade deadline he can miss the entire season. The main point of suspending him would be to light a fire under Uncle Dennis' ass to make a preferred team come correct with a legitimate trade proposal that's not a complete ing under the assumption Leonard will go nuts not getting onto a basketball court this year. Though it would be funny to him over the same way he did the Spurs. That would be so much better than selling your BMW for $100.

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[baseline bum]

Yeah, I don't see any reconciliation at this point. This past weekend was meant to be a you to the Spurs by his camp.

At some point they'll figure out that was stupid. Trade his ass to Milwaukee or Indiana and then unload all the dirt about him sitting out for no good reason.

Milwaukee or Indiana can't offer anything of value. I'd sit his ass in San Diego for a year before I'd give him away for nothing. If he wants to play next year he better convince some teams with good assets to offer that he'll play longterm for them.

[r0drig0lac]

At this point, him. His marketability is limited because he comes across as a deaf mute. Players get endorsement deals in today's NBA despite playing in smaller markets. His group seems like the keystone cops and there's some rather transparent collusion going on with the Lakers. The past weekend with the intended diss with the trade demand leak was only intended to embarrass the Spurs and force their hand. It's silly because the last thing the Spurs are going to do after that is give him and his group what they want.

agree

Forgetting Kawhi for the moment, what would be the worst outcome for uncle Dennis's little agency start up?

if Kawhi (and Dennis) is really forcing that for almost a year, a serious injury in his debut for the lolkers in 2019 would be what I call karma

[Twisted_Dawg]

No one will give a if Leonard starts winning just like everyone forgot how much of a cancer Rodman was throwing WCF games to get his exit out of town.

Not many Spur fans can recall Rodman throwing those WCF games.

[Twisted_Dawg]

He won't fade into mediocrity. He's a top 3 player who held out for a season over a minor injury. He didn't blow out his knee or tear his achilles.

He might have been a top 3 player 2014-2016, but there are no guarantees he'll return to that form with the degenerative knee issues and fragile mental make up playing under a new coach in a new system with new teamates. I'd say there is a good chance this guy has peaked.

[spursistan]

Wouldn't be surprised if Magic has been tampering all along. The genesis of the NBA next Super-team, with a nod from Adam Silver, is taking shape as we speak. They are so desperate to revive that pathetic franchise.

I would forever lose respect for Pop and co. if they grant this got and his clown handlers their wish..

[DPG21920]

Honestly, I like Jackson, and Phoenix have a bunch of picks that could end up being good players to used in further trades (both of the rebuilding and reloading kind). They should also be able to take back Mills' salary. I agree with Harlem that it really just comes down to PATFO thinking someone else on the Suns' roster is worth a , whether that be Chriss, Bender, Warren () or one of their less-mentioned guys. It's not hard to beat offers like Ingram and ty-ass Kuzma, and Philly only has a real shot if PATFO loves Fultz. Boston has a chance to make a great offer, but they won't, because they got it in their heads that Tatum and Brown are stars and made the mistake of paying a max contract to a guy they hope ends up being their third-best wing. Phoenix, even without including first-overall, could win the day.

16, 32, MKE and MIA picks along with swaps in 2019 and 2020, Jackson, Chandler and Bender for Kawhi, Mills and Pau. Provided someone good falls to 16, it could easily be the best possible deal in a few years.

I agree with all of this. I think if SA or Bret Brown loved Fultz PHI could land him but I think the fact we aren’t hearing anything shows you what they all think of Fultz (or Kawhi’s health).

I love Jackson and so does SA - it’s just a matter of the rest because BOS isn’t serious yet, LA doesn’t have the assets and no one else seems to step up.

Maybe if LA stepped up and engaged PHX where PHX gives up Josh + 16 for Lonzo + 25 and SA gets Ingram/Kuz/Jackson + 16 and LA gets Kawhi? I don’t know.

But Josh is my top prospect outside of Tatum/Brown by far.

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Out of all this the only thing that will piss me off about the Spurs handling of Leonard and his group is if they don’t blow Leonard’s ass story out of the water when the dust settles.

[DPG21920]

Also, I really really hope Bron AND Paul George go to the Lakers. That way Kawhi can’t get to LA without them doing something crazy or him giving up even more money going from DPE 219M —-> 185M if traded w/bird rights ——-> 145M if he walks in free agency ——>taking less than that max because LA signed Bron/PG with their cap space and can’t get to his max.

[Killakobe81]

Milwaukee or Indiana can't offer anything of value. I'd sit his ass in San Diego for a year before I'd give him away for nothing. If he wants to play next year he better convince some teams with good assets to offer that he'll play longterm for them.

I get not giving him what he wants.
I get not accepting a poo-poo platter for your best player.
Not sure I get the "scorch the earth mentality" of being viindictive and making him sit and let him walk for nothing.
Not only does that sends next year's team a playoff team down in flames but cause teh kind of side/ show the Spurs have shown no tolerance for.

We can argue back and forth on fair value. I like Jaylen brown but if ainge is not even willing to trade him after teh way he wet the bed in the ECF ... then maybe KL's value isnt what it was.
Everyone playing the "well he is a top 3 player" ...No, he wasn't based on LAST season. Before that? Sure. I thought he ws the 3rd best SF and #rd best player and tbh he and durant were debatable.

Again, not saying you should take crap.
But Spur fan is being unrealistic, and seem willing to cut your nose off to spite your face.

Also draft picks after the top 10 are every overrated. For every Mitc found there are dozens of dozens of fringe players and even players no longer in the league.

IF i am the Spurs, I need a top prospect, a 1st rounder and decent replacement player, but you guys are asking for things like Suns #1 Jackson and #16 just because Cavs were dumb enough to trade #1 for Love. Sure Cavs won that trade because they rang but in most cases you will not get especially if the #1 pick has tremendous upside.

I dont want ainge or anyone else besides the Lakers to rape yall .(ha!).. but you guys are expecting a Pau gasol type swindle and not sure you can get that.

Also the BMW for a $100 is a false equivalency. I dont like josh jackson the way DPG does ... but saying he is like trading a BMW in for $100 is crazy talk.

That BMW has cracked axle, a owner who allowed his crackhead uncle to take the wheel, and is smog modified to drive in California. Doesnt mean you take a hundred ...but you aint getting Kelly Blue book value eitther ...which you almost never do for a star player or a BMW even if the car/player is in pristine condition.

[baseline bum]

I agree with all of this. I think if SA or Bret Brown loved Fultz PHI could land him but I think the fact we aren’t hearing anything shows you what they all think of Fultz (or Kawhi’s health).

I love Jackson and so does SA - it’s just a matter of the rest because BOS isn’t serious yet, LA doesn’t have the assets and no one else seems to step up.

Maybe if LA stepped up and engaged PHX where PHX gives up Josh + 16 for Lonzo + 25 and SA gets Ingram/Kuz/Jackson + 16 and LA gets Kawhi? I don’t know.

But Josh is my top prospect outside of Tatum/Brown by far.

Since when do you hear anything before the Spurs make a move though? They have been pretty tight lipped ever since they lost out on Krstic at the draft that year.

[DPG21920]

Since when do you hear anything before the Spurs make a move though? They have been pretty tight lipped ever since they lost out on Krstic at the draft that year.

I’m not saying it’s a lock, but between hearing things & seeing things and using some logic sprinkled in there seems to be a picture. Nothing is set in stone and things change though and I’m hoping SA holds out for something more or can at least dump Mills/Pau if they cant get more picks.

[DPG21920]

I get not giving him what he wants.
I get not accepting a poo-poo platter for your best player.
Not sure I get the "scorch the earth mentality" of being viindictive and making him sit and let him walk for nothing.
Not only does that sends next year's team a playoff team down in flames but cause teh kind of side/ show the Spurs have shown no tolerance for.

We can argue back and forth on fair value. I like Jaylen brown but if ainge is not even willing to trade him after teh way he wet the bed in the ECF ... then maybe KL's value isnt what it was.
Everyone playing the "well he is a top 3 player" ...No, he wasn't based on LAST season. Before that? Sure. I thought he ws the 3rd best SF and #rd best player and tbh he and durant were debatable.

Again, not saying you should take crap.
But Spur fan is being unrealistic, and seem willing to cut your nose off to spite your face.

Also draft picks after the top 10 are every overrated. For every Mitc found there are dozens of dozens of fringe players and even players no longer in the league.

IF i am the Spurs, I need a top prospect, a 1st rounder and decent replacement player, but you guys are asking for things like Suns #1 Jackson and #16 just because Cavs were dumb enough to trade #1 for Love. Sure Cavs won that trade because they rang but in most cases you will not get especially if the #1 pick has tremendous upside.

I dont want ainge or anyone else besides the Lakers to rape yall .(ha!).. but you guys are expecting a Pau gasol type swindle and not sure you can get that.

Also the BMW for a $100 is a false equivalency. I dont like josh jackson the way DPG does ... but saying he is like trading a BMW in for $100 is crazy talk.

That BMW has cracked axle, a owner who allowed his crackhead uncle to take the wheel, and is smog modified to drive in California. Doesnt mean you take a hundred ...but you aint getting Kelly Blue book value eitther ...which you almost never do for a star player or a BMW even if the car/player is in pristine condition.

I disagree with the #1 pick logic. CLE got Love for #1 who was Wiggins and clearly won. HOU got James Harden for less but look at them. Landing even a CHANCE at a legit franchise superstar has to be valued insanely high.

Every team that has got that rare chance either via free agency or trade: KD to GS, Harden to HOU, Love (not in this same boat but still) to CLE - THEY HAVE ALL COME OUT ON TOP.

[Killakobe81]

I agree with all of this. I think if SA or Bret Brown loved Fultz PHI could land him but I think the fact we aren’t hearing anything shows you what they all think of Fultz (or Kawhi’s health).

I love Jackson and so does SA - it’s just a matter of the rest because BOS isn’t serious yet, LA doesn’t have the assets and no one else seems to step up.

Maybe if LA stepped up and engaged PHX where PHX gives up Josh + 16 for Lonzo + 25 and SA gets Ingram/Kuz/Jackson + 16 and LA gets Kawhi? I don’t know.

But Josh is my top prospect outside of Tatum/Brown by far.

This Josh Jackson love affair is comical.
I think he still has upside ... but overrated by Deeps.
Whatever.
I Really do hope yall hold on to him PG signs max with OKC .. Bron still comes and LAkers threat still looms not only for KL but for Klay etc.
I dont really want to give up Ingram without assurance KL is healthy anyways.

And if ainge wont give up Jaylen and even teh dumb ass Clips have concerns about Kl's health I hope yall enjoy the show this season...

AndI Will will be honest I dont even mind another year of the youth movement. Im just glad Lakers have the league shook again. We havent signed anybody yet still haven't made the playoffs, have the ty state tax and still some of you would rather let KL rot then let him come to the Lakers.

Good to be relevant and players again. and unlike most Laker fans I am cool with waiting this out even if Bron and PG stay where they are. I had concerns about Paying PG the max anayways.

[baseline bum]

I get not giving him what he wants.
I get not accepting a poo-poo platter for your best player.
Not sure I get the "scorch the earth mentality" of being viindictive and making him sit and let him walk for nothing.
Not only does that sends next year's team a playoff team down in flames but cause teh kind of side/ show the Spurs have shown no tolerance for.

We can argue back and forth on fair value. I like Jaylen brown but if ainge is not even willing to trade him after teh way he wet the bed in the ECF ... then maybe KL's value isnt what it was.
Everyone playing the "well he is a top 3 player" ...No, he wasn't based on LAST season. Before that? Sure. I thought he ws the 3rd best SF and #rd best player and tbh he and durant were debatable.

Again, not saying you should take crap.
But Spur fan is being unrealistic, and seem willing to cut your nose off to spite your face.

Also draft picks after the top 10 are every overrated. For every Mitc found there are dozens of dozens of fringe players and even players no longer in the league.

IF i am the Spurs, I need a top prospect, a 1st rounder and decent replacement player, but you guys are asking for things like Suns #1 Jackson and #16 just because Cavs were dumb enough to trade #1 for Love. Sure Cavs won that trade because they rang but in most cases you will not get especially if the #1 pick has tremendous upside.

I dont want ainge or anyone else besides the Lakers to rape yall .(ha!).. but you guys are expecting a Pau gasol type swindle and not sure you can get that.

Also the BMW for a $100 is a false equivalency. I dont like josh jackson the way DPG does ... but saying he is like trading a BMW in for $100 is crazy talk.

That BMW has cracked axle, a owner who allowed his crackhead uncle to take the wheel, and is smog modified to drive in California. Doesnt mean you take a hundred ...but you aint getting Kelly Blue book value eitther ...which you almost never do for a star player or a BMW even if the car/player is in pristine condition.

You are saying just take a crap offer. I'm saying what Leonard wants, if he wants to play hardball and depress his trade value I play hardball back and depress his endorsement earnings and keep him off the floor in the hopes he gives in and accepts a trade to more teams, thus raising his market value. The Spurs shouldn't give Leonard away since he is the only thing they have of any value that can be used for rebuilding the team. I don't understand why you seem to think not taking complete crap in exchange is equivalent to demanding a Gasol trade in the Spurs favor. The BMW doesn't have a cracked axle, it has a low tire. And Kelley Blue Book value for Leonard would be an MVP candidate in his prime. No one is expecting that since the Spurs have little leverage right now. The offers Manu4Tres posted are getting offered $100 for the BMW.

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Spurs can’t bend over for Leonard. They need to send a message to agents of future players they can’t pull the crap Leonard has and get succeed without paying a heavy price.

[Killakobe81]

I disagree with the #1 pick logic. CLE got Love for #1 who was Wiggins and clearly won. HOU got James Harden for less but look at them. Landing even a CHANCE at a legit franchise superstar has to be valued insanely high.

Every team that has got that rare chance either via free agency or trade: KD to GS, Harden to HOU, Love (not in this same boat but still) to CLE - THEY HAVE ALL COME OUT ON TOP.

None of those players missed the season before with injury.
I knwo you guys are fully buying PATFO he was fine and not injured but that is why we are here in the first place.
You can scream he is healthy but fact is he only played 9 games. Looked good but not KL MVP good.

The most recent data doesnt support him at teh value you are stating. Again Dont get raped but dont be unrealistic either.

[DPG21920]

This Josh Jackson love affair is comical.
I think he still has upside ... but overrated by Deeps.
Whatever.
I Really do hope yall hold on to him PG signs max with OKC .. Bron still comes and LAkers threat still looms not only for KL but for Klay etc.
I dont really want to give up Ingram without assurance KL is healthy anyways.

And if ainge wont give up Jaylen and even teh dumb ass Clips have concerns about Kl's health I hope yall enjoy the show this season...

AndI Will will be honest I dont even mind another year of the youth movement. Im just glad Lakers have the league shook again. We havent signed anybody yet still haven't made the playoffs, have the ty state tax and still some of you would rather let KL rot then let him come to the Lakers.

Good to be relevant and players again. and unlike most Laker fans I am cool with waiting this out even if Bron and PG stay where they are. I had concerns about Paying PG the max anayways.

What will be interesting is if Lebron comes to LA (very likely IMO) but PG does not. Even though I agree with you and dont love PG, the fact he wanted LA and LA seemingly wanted him but LA didn’t pull the trigger and let another team convince him to stay?

That would be a bit of a PR nightmare and have to bolster a team trading for Kawhi’s thoughts that money matters and you can convince him to stay. LA would be taking some big risk if they don’t really try to trade for KL assuming they lost PG whether we agree on his value/impact.

Even if LA feels Kawhi is different than PG and he will walk to them no matter what in free agency, letting him go to another team opens up the door to injuries, convincing him to stay, etc...

Just a wild scenario

[Killakobe81]

You are saying just take a crap offer. I'm saying what Leonard wants, if he wants to play hardball and depress his trade value I play hardball back and depress his endorsement earnings and keep him off the floor in the hopes he gives in and accepts a trade to more teams, thus raising his market value. The Spurs shouldn't give Leonard away since he is the only thing they have of any value that can be used for rebuilding the team. I don't understand why you seem to think not taking complete crap in exchange is equivalent to demanding a Gasol trade in the Spurs favor. The BMW doesn't have a cracked axle, it has a low tire. And Kelley Blue Book value for Leonard would be an MVP candidate in his prime. No one is expecting that since the Spurs have little leverage right now. The offers Manu4Tres posted are getting offered $100 for the BMW.

Nope. I was insisting on Tatum which is far from crap. But if ainge won't even consider Brown?!!! Then ainge is setting the market. Brown, Jackson, fultz to me are all in teh same tier as far as my personal opinion. I think ingram will be better than that group but doesnt warrant same value as Tatum.

We will see how it all plays out. But I am also willing to bet Ingram will end up being a better overall player than Josh Jackson, saric or Fultz and willing to bet ELE, sig avvy on it if you wish.

[baseline bum]

I knwo you guys are fully buying PATFO he was fine and not injured but that is why we are here in the first place.

Well I'm taking the word of doctors and not the word of his freeloading uncle.

[DPG21920]

None of those players missed the season before with injury.
I knwo you guys are fully buying PATFO he was fine and not injured but that is why we are here in the first place.
You can scream he is healthy but fact is he only played 9 games. Looked good but not KL MVP good.

The most recent data doesnt support him at teh value you are stating. Again Dont get raped but dont be unrealistic either.

I’m not even screaming he’s healthy, but even then he’s still an all-star at worse. If he’s fully healthy he’s league MVP good. If he’s just what we saw for 9 games, then he’s an all-star still.

But if Kawhi is damaged goods why would SA keep him then and getting anything for him is great.

[DPG21920]

Nope. I was insisting on Tatum which is far from crap. But if ainge won't even consider Brown?!!! Then ainge is setting the market. Brown, Jackson, fultz to me are all in teh same tier as far as my personal opinion. I think ingram will be better than that group but doesnt warrant same value as Tatum.

We will see how it all plays out. But I am also willing to bet Ingram will end up being a better overall player than Josh Jackson, saric or Fultz and willing to bet ELE, sig avvy on it if you wish.

I’m thinking SA should end up with Josh Jackson, Ingram and #16. LA gets Kawhi, PHX gets Lonzo + 25.

[baseline bum]

Nope. I was insisting on Tatum which is far from crap. But if ainge won't even consider Brown?!!! Then ainge is setting the market. Brown, Jackson, fultz to me are all in teh same tier as far as my personal opinion. I think ingram will be better than that group but doesnt warrant same value as Tatum.

We will see how it all plays out. But I am also willing to bet Ingram will end up being a better overall player than Josh Jackson, saric or Fultz and willing to bet ELE, sig avvy on it if you wish.

You don't trade him in that market. You wait for the Lakers to use their capspace because there is no way LeBron is going to ok wasting a year of his prime on holding a $30 million max slot open for Kawhi until summer 2019. Then you have a better market for trading Leonard. If that market still sucks then you play hardball with Leonard's 2018-19 season in the hopes he blinks and then you have a better market. The current market is such I don't mind taking the chance of losing him for nothing if it doesn't improve.

[r0drig0lac]

I’m thinking SA should end up with Josh Jackson, Ingram and #16. LA gets Kawhi, PHX gets Lonzo + 25.

not bad imo