being mentioned on this board doesnt inherently make an idea credible or plausible
KD wants out, he's pissed that they discussed trading him at the deadline without approaching him about it. an exorbitantly expensive, underachieving team is not going to go into the season with their most expensive player being pissed and not wanting to be there. all that will happen is they will try again to move him before the deadline and will get even less than they're seeing now. or he just walks and they have nothing to show for it while still not having much cap space to do anything the following offseason due to beal/booker alone counting as 115 mil against the cap
while he's there it would just be a distraction and all his teammates would know he's already checked out
Anybody watching the finals?
Now, imagine the spurs having to face those defenses and vassell choking and durant in street clothes on the bench and coach mitch playing wemby less than 32 mins?
Id feel better with vassell gone, sochan at least getting into it with those okc front runners and maybe harrison barnes still doing solid work....and if the spurs focus on other vets to trade vassell for - id rather roll with the second scenario...
Yet they still don't have to trade him. He's not going to not play. That's never happened, and they can offload him in the middle of the season. It's just as much a fallacy of ST that we have them over a barrel. They literally just can keep him. It's not a lie, or a ploy, or a made up scenario. It's not carrying the water. It's a legitimate scenario. The Spurs nor the Heat or anybody is watching Windhorst and thinking, "Oh, hey, wait a minute! This pundit made me change my mind!"
Many reasons why you don't keep him, biggest one being if he gets injured, his value is even worse at his age. KD is an expiring value, Suns have to make a move now vs later or it only get worse. This isn't even taking into account the salary cap issues they have where KD takes up a lot of space and flexibility.
I guess. Somehow the people here who hate Vassell and want him gone are saying he's worth two or three picks and is absolutely the centerpiece of this deal. The Suns do have an option of just not doing anything here.
I agree with you, but it would be a huge gamble on Suns part mainly w/the injury concern before trade deadline. If anything, Suns should have traded him before last season started but owner's pride is his downfall smh
I trust Zac Lowe's opinion and he said on his last podcast that he doesn't think the Spurs should go for Durant. He thinks they will spend their assets more wisely with a long term view. I am sure that absent injury, Durant would be awesome for the next 2-3 years on the Spurs, but that's as long as he will be here. I think the Spurs will take him if he falls into their laps with a lowball offer, but otherwise, I think they are looking at other players that are or may become available and they will throw their assets at those players, kind of like Orlando did for Bane, a deal that makes total sense for them.
I wouldn't mind them keeping him. He'll be a buyout candidate after the deadline and could come in for the stretch run. That's not a bad outcome.
Thay said...surely they aren't this dumb..
I'm ready to conclude that Spurs presented the Suns with a moderate offer that included the 14 in exchange for Durant, and the Suns are on the clock and furiously trying to gen up a better offer before accepting the Spurs offer - I'm surely repeating what someone else has already said at this point. If Monday roles around and no trade has been made, I'd expect Spurs to pull offer, but honestly I expect the Spurs will cave and throw in a couple of extra 2nd rounders and close the deal.
This is feeling a LOT like the Fox situation back in February.
Same timeline doesn't mean having every player the same age so that you save on birthday candles, it's having your CORE somewhat aligned so that you can sustain a run for more than a season or two. Fox is arguably in the Wemby timeline, not so much in the Harper one but that works out perfect since one is rising as the other starts to slow down, but with Durant you can't assume you're getting even 3 good years out of him, maybe you do but history says chances it doesn't happen are significant. If the price is low enough, sure, bring him on, otherwise it's preferrable to watch Houston or Minnesota enter a bidding war that hurts a rival long term, especially since the Spurs own a Minnesota swap by the time Durant will be long gone.
If they don't get it done before the draft, it's likely that Houston and San Antonio are out. (If Rockets aren't out already.) Because they will have used their picks. I think Miami can stay in if they offer Ware. Minnesota activates after the draft, as they can then consolidate salaries.
Maybe playing chicken with Durant a little: "you can either play in Phoenix or play for a contender in Minnesota next year."
Theres no cap situation right now to worry about and Sa needs talent.
I'm not sure how much I believe reports that the SAS were putting the ATL 2027 pick up for Durant. This suggests they may not really treasure it that much and might be open to using it elsewhere. Maybe they think they can get another FRP that year or just go without.
Reason I don't believe the reports: if they did offer the ATL 27 alongside the 14 this yera, I think KD would be looking for houses already.
yeah suns keeping him is the 2nd best outcome aside from us landing him outright. if we already know that the spurs are his preferred spot, that just opens the door for us to land him in 2026. would still be a sign and trade for salary purposes but thats typically a lot cheaper than an outright trade
Of course it’s an option. It’s just a really bad one so it seems very unlikely. Like, you have the option to chop off your hand if you want. That doesnt make it a good idea.
And if they decide to keep KD he could easily just fake an injury to preserve his body and sit out most of season then they lose him for nothing, paid him and have no chance of winning next season
By the time the Spurs are ready to go to the finals, none of these role players will be on the team and neither will Durant.
I think it's possible '27 was offered in that Keldon+Barnes+Branham+Wesley scenario in which Spurs keep Vassell.
In 3 years we'll have 2 max contracts to deal with & castle/harpers upcoming contracts.
That's exactly my point.
Come on, Spurs got hosed by every team when Kawhi demanded a trade and so they had to plug their nose and take the Toronto deal. Spurs will have no mercy for other teams that do not have leverage. No one had mercy for them. Durant would be nice to have, but he isn't necessary because he would not fit their long term plans. I think we should absolutely low ball them. I think Vassell is a legit player (unlike most here) so he's definitely a real asset. Barnes is also a good player if the Suns want to try and win, which is what they are trying to do. I wouldn't offer the 14th pick as there are many options to draft a position of need at that spot. I'd offer their top 5 protected pick next year. And that is all I would offer and if Durant goes to the Twolves or the Rockets, who cares?
If the Spurs still had the Chicago pick, they could have thrown that sort of thing in. Or their own 2027.
Of course the Chicago pick did convey this year - their own 11 - and our 2027 pick went to Sacramento. But the cupboard is fairly dry as far as first round picks go. It does look like the Spurs figured out the market, put their offer in, and seem to be holding fast. They knew what they had, but more important, what the other teams were going to offer.
I would much rather Keldon go than Vassell.
They don’t *have* to do anything. That’s completely besides the point. SR laid out precisely why they *should* trade him: having a discontent 37 year old walk at the end of 26 with nothing to show for it while still being an underachieving/likely to not make the playoffs while also being a second apron team is expensive and ultimately going to alienate fans.
Players refuse to play all the time too: Harden, Ben Simmons, Kawhi, etc. This is a pretty obvious point, you seem to be arguing just for the sake of it.
There's no arguing for the sake of it. They can just as well wait to trade him or just let him expire. I mean, people hooting on ST isn't going to change their minds. I feel like this is the same crowd that insisted for like six weeks in a row that Lauri Markkanen absolutely was going to be traded last year... then wasn't.
Them not trading him isn't an option. That is the worst thing the suns could do.
Well if the Spurs are not as aggressive as Shams is reporting, that means San Antonio is indeed Durant's #1 choice. I'm sure the Suns are feeding him this information to put a bit of pressure to the Spurs.
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