trump impeachment watch thread

[RandomGuy]

Under these cir stances, can Republicans subpoena their own witnesses?

FWIW, Republicans changed the house rules in 2015 to where committee chairs can unilaterally issue their own subpoenas. Benghazi bites them in the ass. Dee-licious.

[RandomGuy]

Facts in a row here:

Facts:
Ukraine is dependent on US for military and economic aid.
This aid was being held up by Trump.
The prospect of a state visit was being held up.
Trump asked Ukraine for the favor of investigating one if his main political rivals for the next election, immediately after the Ukrainian president mentioned how they needed the military aid.
After the phone calls, the aid was released.
Day after the aid was released Ukrainian government announced a "review" of the investigations done by corruption prosecutor, including the investigation Trump wanted.

The implicit threat is very clear, and the Ukrainians appear to have given in to the threat.

This is about as open and shut as it gets. Trump even admits to asking.

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Lawyer Alan Dershowitz pounded to dust for latest ‘creative’ defense of Trump against impeachment

a recent Wall Street Journal column by former Harvard Law School professor Alan Dershowitz maintaining Founding Father

Alexander Hamilton would not approve of the impeachment of Donald Trump,

According to Dershowitz,

“The Framers wanted an independent president who could be removed only for genuine wrongdoing.

So they agreed to the criteria that became part of the Cons ution:

‘treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors,'” adding,

“[Alexander] Hamilton didn’t say the process of impeachment is entirely political.

He said the offense has to be political.”

“But he [Dershowitz] goes badly wrong when he tries to interpret the phrase in a way that immunizes Trump,”

Ponnuru said, before elaborating,

“But that can’t be right. James Madison said during the Virginia ratifying convention that

the Cons ution provided ‘one security’ against a president who urged a crime and then pardoned it: impeachment and removal.

Dershowitz’s error about this specific example establishes his error on the general point, which is that

Congress may impeach and remove a president for exercising a cons utional power in a corrupt or abusive manner.”
Saying

Dershowitz is attempting to award a “grant of immunity” to the president,

Ponnuru said his reasoning falls apart and that

Congress has every right to proceed.

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/lawyer-alan-dershowitz-pounded-to-dust-for-latest-creative-defense-of-trump-against-impeachment/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1702

[Brazil]

ing crazy when you think about it

imagine trump s if obama had two of his personal attorneys under criminal investigation

[boutons_deux]

ing crazy when you think about it

imagine trump s if obama had two of his personal attorneys under criminal investigation

With a Repug Congress, if Obama in his first two years had pulled any of Trash's , Repugs would have convicted him in 2010

[TSA]

Facts in a row here:

Facts:
Ukraine is dependent on US for military and economic aid.
This aid was being held up by Trump.
The prospect of a state visit was being held up.
Trump asked Ukraine for the favor of investigating one if his main political rivals for the next election, immediately after the Ukrainian president mentioned how they needed the military aid.
After the phone calls, the aid was released.
Day after the aid was released Ukrainian government announced a "review" of the investigations done by corruption prosecutor, including the investigation Trump wanted.

The implicit threat is very clear, and the Ukrainians appear to have given in to the threat.

This is about as open and shut as it gets. Trump even admits to asking.

you dishonest piece of .

President Zelenskyy: Yes you are absolutely right. Not only 100%, but actually 1000% and I can tell you the following; I did talk to Angela Merkel and I did meet with her I also met and talked with Macron and I told them that they are not doing quite as much as they need to be doing on the issues with the sanctions. They are not enforcing the sanctions. They are not working as much as they should work for Ukraine. It turns out that even though logically, the European Union should be our biggest partner but technically the United States is a much bigger partner than the European Union and I'm very grateful to you for that because the United States is doing quite a lot for Ukraine. Much more than the European Union especially when we are talking about sanctions against the Russian Federation. I would also like to thank you for your great support in the area of defense. We are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps specifically we are almost. ready to buy more Javelins from the United States for defense purposes.

The President: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation. I think you're surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it. As you saw yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueller, an incompetent performance, but they say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever you can do, it's very important that you do it if that's possible.

[LkrFan]

Open the floodgates

[hater]

you dishonest piece of .

President Zelenskyy: Yes you are absolutely right. Not only 100%, but actually 1000% and I can tell you the following; I did talk to Angela Merkel and I did meet with her I also met and talked with Macron and I told them that they are not doing quite as much as they need to be doing on the issues with the sanctions. They are not enforcing the sanctions. They are not working as much as they should work for Ukraine. It turns out that even though logically, the European Union should be our biggest partner but technically the United States is a much bigger partner than the European Union and I'm very grateful to you for that because the United States is doing quite a lot for Ukraine. Much more than the European Union especially when we are talking about sanctions against the Russian Federation. I would also like to thank you for your great support in the area of defense. We are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps specifically we are almost. ready to buy more Javelins from the United States for defense purposes.

The President: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation. I think you're surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it. As you saw yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueller, an incompetent performance, but they say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever you can do, it's very important that you do it if that's possible.

randomliar

[LkrFan]

[TSA]

randomliar

And the Javelins Zelensky mentioned weren't even part of the aid package

[LkrFan]

you dishonest piece of .

President Zelenskyy: Yes you are absolutely right. Not only 100%, but actually 1000% and I can tell you the following; I did talk to Angela Merkel and I did meet with her I also met and talked with Macron and I told them that they are not doing quite as much as they need to be doing on the issues with the sanctions. They are not enforcing the sanctions. They are not working as much as they should work for Ukraine. It turns out that even though logically, the European Union should be our biggest partner but technically the United States is a much bigger partner than the European Union and I'm very grateful to you for that because the United States is doing quite a lot for Ukraine. Much more than the European Union especially when we are talking about sanctions against the Russian Federation. I would also like to thank you for your great support in the area of defense. We are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps specifically we are almost. ready to buy more Javelins from the United States for defense purposes.

The President: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation. I think you're surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it. As you saw yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueller, an incompetent performance, but they say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever you can do, it's very important that you do it if that's possible.

[LkrFan]

Rudy Giuliani getting kicked to the curb in 3, 2, 1....

[vy65]

And the Javelins Zelensky mentioned weren't even part of the aid package

I don't agree with RG's characterization, but guy, that transcript ain't great for your boy ...

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All the Way Up to POTUS': Ousted Ambassador to Ukraine Names Trump in Testimony Over Smear Campaign Led by Giuliani

"This is why Donald Trump and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo didn't want former U.S. Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch to tell her story to the American people."



President Donald Trump pressured the State Department to oust her after a "concerted campaign" of attacks led by Trump's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani.

"After being asked by the department in early March to extend my tour until 2020, I was then abruptly told in late April [of 2019] to come back to Washington from Ukraine 'on the next plane,'"

Trump "lost confidence" in her and no longer wanted her to serve as ambassador to Ukraine.

there had been a concerted campaign against me, and that the department had been under pressure from the president to remove me since the summer of 2018,"

the "concerted campaign" of attacks was led by Giuliani and his allies, who "may well have believed that their personal financial ambitions were stymied by our anti-corruption policy in Ukraine."

"I was nevertheless incredulous that the U.S. government chose to remove an ambassador based, as best as I can tell, on

unfounded and false claims by people with clearly questionable motives."


Yovanovitch's testimony Friday as

"more damning evidence that Trump and his enablers engaged in a multi-prong campaign to get Ukraine to target Biden."

"This is why Donald Trump and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo didn't want former U.S. Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch to tell her story to the American people," Lieu tweeted.

"It's a story about corruption at the highest levels of our government, including all the way up to POTUS."

https://www.commondreams.org/news/20...?cd-origin=rss

[djohn2oo8]

lol

[Spurs Homer]

Facts in a row here:

Facts:
Ukraine is dependent on US for military and economic aid.
This aid was being held up by Trump.
The prospect of a state visit was being held up.
Trump asked Ukraine for the favor of investigating one if his main political rivals for the next election, immediately after the Ukrainian president mentioned how they needed the military aid.
After the phone calls, the aid was released.
Day after the aid was released Ukrainian government announced a "review" of the investigations done by corruption prosecutor, including the investigation Trump wanted.

The implicit threat is very clear, and the Ukrainians appear to have given in to the threat.

This is about as open and shut as it gets. Trump even admits to asking.

you left out the


COVER UP


of all that ery when career professionals began sounding the alarm

[LkrFan]

[LkrFan]

[hater]

that transcript ain't great ..

Yup nothing burger

. Called it on page 1

[clambake]

now he's bending over and taking the chinese shaft.

[vy65]

Yup nothing burger

. Called it on page 1

Memba det time your internet stopped working?

[hater]

Memba det time your internet stopped working?

I was taking a and my lights blew out a few weeks ago

Why?

[djohn2oo8]

[djohn2oo8]

[RandomGuy]

djohn getting all worked up again only to be disappointed when none of this touches Trump.

Rudy Giuliani’s arrested associates had dined with Donald Trump inside the White House
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/rud...e-white-house/