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Sounds like my house. Except my wife is a Knicks lifer. She likes the Spurs but wishes I weren't obsessed.
Not sure I would trade up unless I was certain that a player in the late teens early twenties just wasn't going to fall and I HAD to have him. Also, I'm not sure about trading up to grab an extra pick when the Spurs are already short on roster spots. So, no I'm not sure I would...and more to the point, it doesn't seem like the Spurs are looking to do so either. As timvp said, it seems like the Spurs are showing interest in and working out prospects that will most assuredly be there at pick #28 and #33.
Sounds like my house. Except my wife is a Knicks lifer. She likes the Spurs but wishes I weren't obsessed.
I don't get the 'trade down to get rid of Beno' scenario. Udrih is worth more or equal to Singleton and Conroy is worth nothing. Udrih only makes $1.7M for one year, which isn't worth trading down to shed.
Trading Scola outright for a pick, as others have said, isn't that great since we're hurting for roster spots. I would advocate trading up with Scola, but only if the situation is right.
Man, I take a day and a half off from this thread and I have pages of catching up to do. It's been a great one, though. Keep up the good work everybody - there's still a week left!
Ouch...
Nah, I can't complain because she is a Spurs fan (converted from Mav fan b/c she lived in the DFW area all her life..but obviously wasn't a Mav lifer) and will watch alot of the games with me.
Obviously she thinks I'm obsessed, and staying up until 1 this morning probably didn't help my cause ()....so I guess she might have an argument <<scratches chin>>....
Being the spurs only have limited spaces on the roster this year, I think they should start rebuilding towards 08/09 in this draft. This has been touted as one of the deepest drafts in 10-15 years by some analyst! My first move would be to trade the rights of luis scola to the seattle supersonics for their 2 second round draft picks. Reason being, supersonics need leadership from a vet( considered one of the best outside of the U.S) and we could use the picks for developement player(s). This is how I have it figured:
pick 28 sean williams boston college
pick 31 jared dudley
pick 33 gasol
pick 35 gabe pruitt or best pg available
pick 58 international project
Finley leaves - Dudley
gasol - Leave overseas(saved roster spot this year)
sean williams - Potential man child with some of pops tough love(a year to develope)
gabe pruitt - 3rd string point guard behind tony and chucky atkins or jaque
project is just that ...... a project!
trade brent barry and beno for andres nocioni and filler.(pipe dream maybe but who knows)
Roster will look like this:
tony
manu
bruce
tim
oberto ( shouldn't be opting out; most effective in san antonio)
jackie butler
james white
robert horry
andres nocioni
francisco elson
chucky atkins
sean williams
gabe and dudley- austin toros nbdl (our minor leagues)
gasol stay overseas (one year)
08/09
tony
manu
nocioni
tim
butler
white
pruitt
dudley
mihamini (however yu spell his name)
williams
gasol
back up point #3rd string
Sean Williams is a tool, a headcase, doesn't care about basketball, and is highly overrated as a prospect. The Spurs would never take him.
i think so the spurs will not take a man like williams , if the teams take a big they could take someone like fazekas , gray , visser or someting like that but that means there will be some roster post available wich depends on scola , mahinmi situations....
and that's understating it....
I also don't think that the Spurs add picks in this draft....unless they are assuredly going overseas with the pick.
Spurs keep #28 and #33, pick domestic with one and international with the other...
#58 is probably international and/or an incredible longshot to make this team especially this year...
just read about Sean Willams and his "workout audiences" in Houston. he refuses to travel to teams that invite him, but is arranging public workouts with interested NBA teams alongside a 7-3 Romanian player.
wow. now his stock will skyrocket!
He'll still go in the first round to a team in desperate need of an athletic shot-blocker with high potential. I've seen mocks that have him as high as #17 to the Nets...and as crazy as that sounds, they are in the worst way when it comes to frontcourt talent/size.
Go ahead and draft that idiot Williams before us. That just means more talent trickles down to the 28 and 33. But when you're desperately trying to trade him because Ron Artest is a better locker room guy then don't complain.
According to DX's surveys of the league, people think New York is down to Daequan Cook or Sean Williams.
It's as if they're not even drafting, to us.
What about the report that Wilson Chandler received a promise from them at #23? If he's not going to them, then did he receive a promise from another first round team...Spurs?
He shut his workouts down and the Spurs were one of the few teams to get a look at him right? Is it possible?
Apparently Wilson Chandler's own camp was spreading the rumors of a promise. He's not first round material.
Yeah I don't think he's first round material either, but to stop your workouts is pretty risky...
Fazekas is not nearly enough athletically to help us! I can see now after re-evaluating the williams pick how he wouldn't be a good fit, but that still doesn't diminish the need to start developing new talent. Let the Scola dream go and start fresh.
There are guys who everyone was orgasmic over a few weeks ago that no one even mentions any more--and not necessarily because they have moved out of the picture up or down. People just lost interest because they'd been talked to death.
This is just chasing our tails like mad dogs. I'm just gonna wait until the FO pros make their selection and then like like everyone else'cause (name a player here) wasn't picked.
There are only a few ways I would and moan over our draft picks...This is just chasing our tails like mad dogs. I'm just gonna wait until the FO pros make their selection and then like like everyone else
A) Rudy Fernandez is there at 28 and we pass on him
B) Rudy Fernandez is there at 33 and we pass on him
C) Rudy Fernandez is there at 58 and we pass on him
Otherwise I trust our front office to make a good selection that is in our long-term interest.
Prepare to be disappointed...
Seriously though, I have to agree with an earlier statement by timvp that the Spurs seem to be targeting players that will most likely be there when they pick at #28 and #33. That means if a guy like Rudy slips to #28, the Spurs still might take the guy they have worked out, interviewed, and gotten comfortable with over him.
I don't know if Rudy lasts to #33, but my guess is that the Spurs might have planned to go "international" with that pick anyways....so he'd be the best value there. That'd be insane!
Honestly, I don't see Williams falling past #27 to the Pistons. I know they lost Delfino, but he hardly got any PT. They're talking about trading Sheed, Webber is getting older, McDyess is a FA, and the word was that they were targeting DeVon Hardin at #27....a raw, athletic big man.
So, I personally don't think Williams gets the opportunity to be drafted by the Spurs, even if they wanted him....which I seriously doubt.
On moving on past Scola...the Spurs already drafted a raw, athletic shot-blocker in Mahinmi and have Butler on this team through next year and into 2008-09 if they want.
The Draft Express mock keeps having Julian Wright taking a tumble after Philadelphia takes Al Thornton after him.
Al Thornton is a 'wtf?' pick - I see him having no impact on wins and losses, but Philly needs a scorer to put alongside Andre Iguodala. The next three picks will all be guards (Charlotte-Nick Young; LA Clips-Javaris Crittendon; Detroit-Rodney Stuckey).
Which brings us to #16 and Washington. This is an interesting point, since the Wizards don't obviously need a SF at this point, with Caron Butler, although Wright could play some PF. Then you have #17 and New Jersey, which needs a true big man and already has a starting SF.
It's an interesting tumble, and one to watch. Wright has a lot of interesting skills that would be aces on a Spurs squad. He's not much of a scorer, but can do a bunch of other things, and is smart and coachable. THIS is where I'd try to trade up to nab him.
Scola + #28 to New Jersey or Washington for Julian Wright??
Julian Wright at #18 would be crazy good! He plays like a PF and would likely take some time to develop his perimeter game, but he's got great athleticism, is an unselfish player, lots of present talent, and loads of potential...
Having said that, I don't even think he's on the Spurs' radar...man that would be nice though.
I'm not sure he's on anyone's radar at that point. I'm sure the Clippers or one of the earlier teams would abandon 'greatest need' and go BPA and select him before #17, but DX does have him falling to #16 (Wizards), therefore out of the lottery. If that does happen, the Spurs should try like mad to get there.
He wouldn't go past #18 and Golden State, IMO.
And the annual Hoopsanalyst draft series continues, this time with SF's:
http://www.hoopsanalyst.com/0607ew12.htm
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