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    Do fires spread after they are ignited, dan?

    Yes or no.

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    Look, I've never claimed that termite, or explosives destroyed the WTC1 or WTC2...I've always said the key to 9/11 lies with WTC7...

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    double post

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    Look, I've never claimed that termite, or explosives destroyed the WTC1 or WTC2...I've always said the key to 9/11 lies with WTC7...
    You've never made any claims at all.

    Does fire spread after ignition?

    Yes or no.

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    Why did you change the subject?

    You brought up Bjorkman's site and MacQueen and Szambolti's paper -- why do you not want to discuss them anymore?

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    Why did you change the subject?

    You brought up Bjorkman's site and MacQueen and Szambolti's paper -- why do you not want to discuss them anymore?
    Once again, I've never claimed that WTC1 and WTC2 were brought down by anything other than fire, so this is irrelevant...why do you care to debate irrelevant points?

    Why don't you explain why the Bush administration limited access to 9/11 evidence, limited who could be questioned by the commission it created and staffed, and limited the money the commission could use to investigate the most deadly terror attack ever on the continental U.S.?

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    Once again, I've never claimed that WTC1 and WTC2 were brought down by anything other than fire, so this is irrelevant...why do you care to debate irrelevant points?
    You brought up Bjorkmann and MacQueen/Szambolti as some kind of retort to Bazant and Zhou.

    You were debating the points RandomGuy brought up.

    You asked me specifically to address Tony Szambolti.

    You tried to refute Bazant's statement on the fire by posting a picture of a person in an impact hole.

    You were discussing points.

    I addressed everything you brought up, and suddenly you wanted to change the subject completely.

    Why don't you explain why the Bush administration limited access to 9/11 evidence, limited who could be questioned by the commission it created and staffed, and limited the money the commission could use to investigate the most deadly terror attack ever on the continental U.S.?
    I think he mainly wanted to cover his administration's ass for their lax at ude towards the Islamic terrorist threat before 9/11.

    Why don't you tell us all what you think really happened on 9/11?

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    I think he mainly wanted to cover his administration's ass for their lax at ude towards the Islamic terrorist threat before 9/11.

    Why don't you tell us all what you think really happened on 9/11?
    So the Bush Administration helped cause 9/11....Twoferr..

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    So the Bush Administration helped cause 9/11....Twoferr..
    No, but I don't expect you to understand.

    I mean, you can't even say what you think really happened on 9/11.

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    You brought up Bjorkmann and MacQueen/Szambolti as some kind of retort to Bazant and Zhou.

    You were debating the points RandomGuy brought up
    All I was saying was that the Szambolti paper has been out there for years, where is the academic repudiation?

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    No, but I don't expect you to understand.

    I mean, you can't even say what you think really happened on 9/11.
    Oh, I understand, your a twofer who thinks that the Bush administration acted negligently by not taking the Islamic threat seriously enough before 911, and failed to act when a threat to homeland became evident...

    ..I believe some call that treason..

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    All I was saying was that the Szambolti paper has been out there for years, where is the academic repudiation?
    The paper is dated April 2009.

    It's academic repudiation is clear; it's not published in any real journal.

    , even the anonymous nutters who "peer reviewed" it thought it was fatally flawed:

    I was asked to review this paper and recommended against publication unless of the conflation you so rightly identify could be resolved.

    I don't think this really throws cold water on B and Z. B and Z is a special case (i.e. the most optimistic) and not intended to model what actually happened. The tilting caused the wham to be spread out in time so there was no 31g impulse.
    http://the911forum.freeforums.org/ne...ueen-t119.html

    It's horrible science that even a guy like myself can easily dismantle.

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    Oh, I understand, your a twofer who thinks that the Bush administration acted negligently by not taking the Islamic threat seriously enough before 911, and failed to act when a threat to homeland became evident...

    ..I believe some call that treason..
    No, you don't understand at all.

    Now quit stalling and tell us what you think really happened on 9/11.

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    The paper is dated April 2009.

    It's academic repudiation is clear; it's not published in any real journal.

    , even the anonymous nutters who "peer reviewed" it thought it was fatally flawed:
    Maybe you'd have a point if they didn't think the Bazant and Zhou paper was flawed too...

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    No, you don't understand at all.

    Now quit stalling and tell us what you think really happened on 9/11.
    Seriously, do you or do you not believe that the Bush administration could have done more to prevent 9/11?

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    Seriously, do you or do you not believe that the Bush administration could have done more to prevent 9/11?
    Sure, just as I believe the Clinton administration and the HW Bush administration and the Reagan administration could have done more. Each made mistakes regarding the threat of terrorism.

    Seriously, what do you think really happened on 9/11?

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    Sure, just as I believe the Clinton administration and the HW Bush administration and the Reagan administration could have done more. Each made mistakes regarding the threat of terrorism.
    Weren't Muhammed Atta and other 9/11 terrorists being tracked by the Clinton Administration FBI before 2001?

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    Weren't Muhammed Atta and other 9/11 terrorists being tracked by the Clinton Administration FBI before 2001?
    I believe the Hamburg cell was monitored for a time by the CIA and German intelligence, but I don't know of any active "tracking" domestically by the FBI.

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    I don't get how Bush/Cheney/Darth Vader/etc. were able to fool so many people and it's only people like Dan and film school drop-outs who know the real truth. I feel so gullible.

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    I believe the Hamburg cell was monitored for a time by the CIA and German intelligence, but I don't know of any active "tracking" domestically by the FBI.
    Wow.....do some research..

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    Wow.....do some research..
    I did.

    Did you?

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    I don't get how Bush/Cheney/Darth Vader/etc. were able to fool so many people and it's only people like Dan and film school drop-outs who know the real truth. I feel so gullible.
    I don't see how Bush was able to conduct a serious investigation on itself given their general inep ude at just about everything....

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