Yall trippin. Manu shot 43.8 as a rookie and 41.8 second year while Sochan is shooting 43.9 and only slightly worse than Manu on 3s. The larger point was he gradually improved his shooting in the subsequent years but rarely shot a really high percentage.
https://www.espn.com/nba/player/stat.../manu-ginobili
Yet, y’all want crucify this kid just for still being a bit raw after almost skipping college for the NBA.
gotta factor in era a bit
during ginobilis first 2 years, the league average FG% was about 44%, whereas its 47.5% now
Manu also took more 3's as a percentage of his total FGA so that would of course bring his raw FG% down. his TS was better even then
Manu's TS% in his first 2 seasons: .556 and .536
Sochan's: .509 and .515
Manu was significantly more efficient.
He won't ever be a sharpshooter but hey, it has increased from 24% to 32% on slightly more frequency in a year. Hopefully it can get a few ticks higher. Just from the outside looking in, it seems like they're purposely slowing down his jumper in practice so he is more mindful of the motion in his form.
under 30% in 2024 and that includes a hot january where he shot 37.5%
Wasn’t Manu 3 or 4 years older as a rookie than Sochan?
Give the man time kind sirs.
Yes, it was also a different era, a different position, and way different style of play. The FG% argument is a weird one.
Sochan's jump shot FG% is 329 this season. He's hard capped as a role player without a jumper.
The point was Manu kept improving and was not tremendously efficient out of the gates but gradually improved to legendary status. Sochan just went 13-10-6 v DAL and if he hits a couple more shots and goes 18-10-6 people would be thinking he balled out, coupled with his lockdown defense.
Also if he puts up modest stats that could spell team friendly on his first extension yet people want to throw him to the wolves too quickly.
So much this. I never saw it on TV but live, up close and in person, you can't miss it. I don't know how he shoots as well as he does with that thing coming off his hand like that. It's nauseating to watch. The ball comes off his hand like he's a pitcher throwing a breaking ball. It's completely broken and I can't tell that they are trying to fix it, essentially two years into his career. I can't imagine a scenario where he becomes even an average shooter without doing something about it.
His floor right now is PJ Tucker and Grant Williams. Still part of the final 8 man rotation of a finals team. But there is a realistic path to 3-B on a championship team like Green and Gordon.
I like Sochan and I’m hopeful he continues to develop. I don’t see his ceiling as all-star level but he certainly could develop into reliable NBA role player on a great team…or like now, space filler on a terrible one.
Well, at least he's working on it.
Sochan is a keeper. I really like the moxie and every team needs their a-hole.
He just shouldn’t be expected to carry the load on offense ever.
He's got the potential and should definitely stay, but I don't think he should be starting.
Ideally, Keldon is moved this summer and Sochan takes the 6th man role.
We need way better spacing around Wemby, we don't want to start a forward who's being dared to shoot by the opposition and does most of his useful work in the paint.
Bruce Bowen texted
Keldon is a spark plug at 6th man. Sochan would be horrendous at 6th man with his offensive challenge.
Risacher at 4 would solve that problem, sliding Sochan to 3. Champ going back to bench or whatever. That guy was a Brynn Forbes not deserving at starting lineup
Nobody is throwing him to the wolves. But he is a bench player on any other contender and since I want our team to be a contender one day, it would be ideal to have him play his role off the bench. Also Manu had a much much much better shooting form than Sochan. I'm glad to see that Sochan is working on his jumper, however, I don't see that broken form as being helpful to him going forward.
Honestly and objectively, he's two more shooting steps away from being a decent shooter. And I don't know if he can get there. MKG also worked hard, Justice Winslow worked hard, Stanley Johnson worked hard... There are a lot of players with broken jumpers who work hard and still can't shoot at the forward position.
We don't necessarily need to keep the same team composition and roles.
We can't afford to have multiple questionable shooters around Wemby. Not against starting lineups.
If we don't get a legit point guard, Jeremy has to be benched, because having both him and Tre on the floor together is really bad for Wemby.
If we don't trade for a point guard and Tre is the starter, then we need two actual 3pt threats on the wings and we need Devin to take it to the next level as the leading scorer from the perimeter.
Then we need to find an actually good 6th man who can keep the offense going from the bench. Keldon is just too fundamentally flawed to be relied on.
And Jeremy could share the floor with that player. Finding the next Manu won't happen, but we certainly can find a Lou/Clarkson type player. Maybe Dillingham is that guy.
If we do actually get a legit point guard who's a pull up threat behind the line, then Jeremy can start...assuming he continues developing his shot.
Btw, no chance Risacher will be able to play the 4 with his frame, at least not for a few years. If you want his team to win, that is.
There is several ways it could work, cause Gordon and Green are comparable shooters. Wemby could develop a face up game allowing Sochan to park at the dunker spot. Sochan improves as an initiator, making opponents guard him on ball. Sochan could just develop into a 38% wide open catch and shoot guy, with his high release he should have enough gravity.
That's why I said Wemby can't play with multiple bad shooters in the follow up post.
Right now Jeremy is a player opponents dare to shoot.
Tre is making noticable improvements, but he's still not reliable and most of his makes are from the corners. Which is good, but he's a point guard and shouldn't be in the corner that much.
If three other perimeter players were Trae, Devin and let's say Naz Reid, then yeah, Jeremy could play.
But him and Tre simply can't start together next season.
Gordon has three elite floor spacers around him and Jokic that's double-team proof and the best offensive player in the league by far.
Draymond played with four elite floor spacers that ran everyone off the floor and he was a non-factor on offense if we talk scoring.
Meanwhile we're trying to create space for Wemby because if teams can double team him without being punished, then our lineup isn't good enough.
Wemby will probably become great floor spacer himself, but we don't want him spending time outside the paint just because Jeremy can't shoot.
its weird, he sent it in 2005 and i just got it now. he was also actually an elite defender, not just a theoretically good one
Victor is probably our only player right now that could start on a championship team, but then again most championship teams don't have a roster of 20-year-olds... Interesting!
i mean... the bucks are a le contender and if vassell was starting there over beasley i think they'd be ok
if the nuggets had vassell instead of kcp i think theyd be ok
if the celtics had vassell instead of white they'd still be ok. think white is a better fit given their needs but i dont think they cease to contend or anything like that
just depends on the rest of the team
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