Trouble in Crawford: "Why did my son die?"

[Nbadan]

This just in...US military service is voluntary.

IF you are not willing to die for your country...then don't join the military.

IF you do not want your son or daughter to die in service to their country...then don't let them join the military.

If you join the military...there is always a very strong chance that you will be called into service and sent into a war.

It's not just something you sign up for to do a lot of exersize and wear silly looking clothes.

Why do you post propaganda Dan?

Yes, the military is voluntary, but service members don't get to choose what battle they want to participate in when they chose to defend their country. They rely on the promise of politicians that they will not be asked to make the greatest sacrifice unless the freedom, liberty and sovereignty of the U.S, is threatened. Yesterday the Bush administration admitted that true democracy is probably unattainable in Iraq, dropping the latest facade by our government linking our justification for remaining in Iraq. So if Democracy isn't a sure thing, and we are going to leave Iraq in another year regardless of the insurgency situation, why are we still there?

If you think I am the one posting propaganda then let’s compare over the last year how many times I have posted about the deteriorating situation in Iraq, about the lack of WMD and association with anything named Al-Queda by Saddam. Let's compare how many times I have been wrong about anything, and successfully challenged by anyone who has backed up their argument with verifiable facts.

It's very easy to call information propaganda, any monkey on a keyboard can do that, but proving something is propaganda requires diligence and intelligence – two skills I can tell neither of you possess.

[whottt]

Cindy's Victory
By William Rivers Pitt
t r u t h o u t | Perspective
Monday 15 August 2005



- Gen. Barry McCaffrey, after returning from an inspection of Iraq, 08/12/2005.



William River Pitts, Truthout

You can't appease terrorists and Cindy Sheehan's conduct is very terroristlike...she thinks she speaks for the entire US and, is trying to dictate policy...

She doesn't speak for me.

And her poor mother act would play better if she wasn't allied with a bunch of Left Wingers...she's representative of a hostile political movement that's trying to impose it's minority view on the American people, and I don't blame Bush for not speaking with her...especially since he has already done so.

Her son dying does not put the elected leader of this country at her beckon call...


And who the does she think she is fooling with her, "I just want to know the truth" BS?

She wants to hear what she wants to hear...not the truth.

[Nbadan]

You can't appease terrorists and Cindy Sheehan's conduct is very terroristlike...she thinks she speaks for the entire US and, is trying to dictate policy...

She doesn't speak for me.

And her poor mother act would play better if she wasn't allied with a bunch of Left Wingers...she's representative of a hostile political movement that's trying to impose it's minority view on the American people, and I don't blame Bush for not speaking with her...especially since he has already done so.

Her son dying does not put the elected leader of this country at her beckon call...

The greatest sacrafice any mother can make for her country is her children. Cindy Sheehan has made that sacrafice. You should be thankful that there are mothers like Sheehan who will fight to keep the memories of our troops who have died and will continue to die in Iraq fresh in the mind of Americans who think that putting a yellow support our troops on their SUV is a war sacrafice.

No, Whott, Cindy Sheehan is not the person who should be hanging her head in shame over her recent conduct- you should be.

[whottt]

Cindy Sheehan didn't make that sacrifice, her son did. She doesn't get credit for dying in service to this country...and her comments clearly show why she doesn't...

Her son gets the credit...he's the hero. Not her.

[Nbadan]

Cindy Sheehan didn't make that sacrifice, her son did. She doesn't get credit for dying in service to this country...and her comments clearly show why she doesn't...

Her son gets the credit...he's the hero. Not her.

What are her comments Whott? Cindy simply wants to know the real reason why her son had to die in Iraq. If it wasn't the WMD's, or terrorists links, or founding democracy in the Middle East, then what was it? That question is a hidden mindfield for the President because no matter which way he goes he could step in some deep do-do, especially now that this story has gained national attention.

Remember, I was in the camp that said that W should have nipped this circus in the bud, but that ship has sailed.

Adios Mofo!

[HB22inSA]

They rely on the promise of politicians that they will not be asked to make the greatest sacrifice unless the freedom, liberty and sovereignty of the U.S, is threatened.

Excuse me while I pick myself off the floor.

That's some pretty funny ...if you believe it!!!!!!!!!!!

Isn't "Promise of politicians" and oxymoron?

[Clandestino]

How do you feel about Cindy Sheehan's protest in Crawford?
I admire her

8.4%
I disagree with her

9.2%
She speaks for many who oppose the war

30.7%
She is disrespecting her son and other soldiers

46.4%
I don't know

5.4%

[Spurminator]

That poll could have included an "All of the Above" option.

[Clandestino]

btw, it was mysa.com

[Dos]

this lady is hilarious now, I hear now she wants the israeli's out of palestine and isn't not going to pay her taxes.... hmmmmm well I guess know she wants to be US ambassador to the UN and break federal law... I hope the IRS is heard her... she'd be keeping some waiting on a welfare check, from getting there's.. yeah all you lefties don't disagree with this war... stop paying your taxes... defeat your ownself in the realm of social handouts.... it's too funny...

[Dos]

sheesh I need to stop thinking so fast... bah

this lady is hilarious now, I hear now she wants the israeli's out of palestine and isn't not going to pay her taxes.... hmmmmm well I guess now she wants to be US ambassador to the UN and break federal law... I hope the IRS has heard her... she'd be keeping someone waiting on a welfare check, from getting there's.. yeah all you lefties disagree with this war... stop paying your taxes... defeat your ownself in the realm of social handouts.... it's too funny...

[Trainwreck2100]

What exactly is she going to do when Bush is done with vacation and leaves Crawford, call it a moral victory?

[whottt]

What are her comments Whott?

Um...the ones where she calls Bush a murderer and says she wants him impeached...Yeah right...she just wants to talk to the President to get the truth...and once he says he's telling her the truth she'll go home peacefully....

Who do you guys think you are kidding?

Cindy simply wants to know the real reason why her son had to die in Iraq.

Because he joined the military and in doing so forfeited his right to not fight in a war.

If it wasn't the WMD's, or terrorists links, or founding democracy in the Middle East, then what was it? That question is a hidden mindfield for the President because no matter which way he goes he could step in some deep do-do, especially now that this story has gained national attention.

It was for all of those reasons.

Remember, I was in the camp that said that W should have nipped this circus in the bud, but that ship has sailed.

Adios Mofo!

Yeap...keep having Michael Moore take center stage for your party...

You guys will be looking up at the communist party in election returns by the time it's all over....

Doesn't it kind of bother you that the leader of your party is a loser and is always wrong?


He needs to take his death exploitation money, go buy and Island, and then hate himself to death...instead of trying to drag us with him. What a fat disgusting .

[Nbadan]

What exactly is she going to do when Bush is done with vacation and leaves Crawford, call it a moral victory?

Nope, she intends to follow him to Washington.

[Nbadan]

Yeap...keep having Michael Moore taking center stage for your party...

You guys will be looking up at the communist party in election returnts by the time it's all over....

Doesn't it kind of bother you that the leader of your party is a loser and is always wrong?

Ummm...I think it's the Republicans that should be worried. Paul Hackett helped prove in Ohio that a strong-on-war Democratic candidate can win even in a Republican strong-hold given the right time and finances. It made even Newt Gingrich and other Republicans admit that Conservatives need to wake up and take notice before the 06 mid-term elections. Republicans have also taken a beating lately in Texas over the lack of school finance reform.

[whottt]

Don't let Hackett go to your head.....even I was considering the guy a good candidate...he had unimpeachable credentials in a fiercely patriotic sector of the country, and still lost to an absolute hag of a candidate. Their major difference? She had a clearly defined patriotic stance and he didn't. He lost.

[Trainwreck2100]

Nope, she intends to follow him to Washington.

All this spending won't end well for her come tax time.

[whottt]

NBAdan...it's funny that your conspiracy ridden brain has determined that Ralph Nader is an enemy of the Democratic Party...yet you fail to see that Moore hurts the party in exactly the same way...only moreso...because he actually pushes liberals to the right, instead of pulling them to the left into a liberal party, like Nader.

I will never be on the same side of an issue as Michael Moore and I know a lot of people that feel the same way....

[Dos]

Sheehan's Husband Seeks Divorce
Bush roadside protester named in California pe ion filed Friday

AUGUST 15--The next well-wisher approaching Cindy Sheehan at her tent encampment outside President George W. Bush's Texas vacation home may actually be a process server. That's because the California woman's husband--in a curious bit of timing--filed for divorce Friday afternoon (below you'll find a copy of Patrick Sheehan's complaint, lodged August 12 in Solano County District Court). With Sheehan, 48, entering a second week outside Bush's Crawford retreat, her husband's divorce pe ion cites "irreconcilable differences" for the demise of the couple's 28-year marriage (the Sheehans, the do ent states, have been separated since June 1). Along with a Vacaville home, Patrick Sheehan listed other "community assets" as "any and all benefits payable as a result of son's death," including a Prudential insurance policy and "benefits from the U.S. Government." From her roadside outpost, Sheehan, whose 24-year-old son Casey, an Army Specialist, was killed last year in Iraq, has become the face of the U.S. antiwar movement, telling reporters that she will not budge until Bush meets with her and explains "why our sons are dead." Noting that Bush has referred to the war as a "noble" pursuit, Sheehan told Reuters, "If it's such a noble cause, why aren't his daughters over there?" Patrick Sheehan's lawyer, Glen DeRonde, did not return a TSG call, so it is unclear whether the divorce complaint will be delivered to her in Texas or when she returns to her home east of San Francisco. (4 pages)

TUNE IN: Smoking Gun TV premieres tomorrow night (8/16) at 11 PM

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...1sheehan1.html

[Trainwreck2100]

NBAdan...it's funny that your conspiracy ridden brain has determined that Ralph Nader is an enemy of the Democratic Party...yet you fail to see that Moore hurts the party in exactly the same way...only moreso...because he actually pushes liberals to the right, instead of pulling them to the left into a liberal party, like Nader.

I will never be on the same side of an issue as Michael Moore and I know a lot of people that feel the same way....

I hear he is coming out with a badass do entary on pharmaceutical companies, I really want to see that one because those guys are jerks.

[Nbadan]

Don't let Hackett go to your head.....even I was considering the guy a good candidate...he had unimpeachable credentials in a fiercely patriotic sector of the country, and still lost to an absolute hag of a candidate. Their major difference? She had a clearly defined patriotic stance and he didn't. He lost.

He lost by 4 points in a heavy Republican district and he only campaigned for a few weeks with very little cash, certainly much less than 'the hag' spent.

[Dos]

I guess if the bush twins wanted to volunteer to join the army they'd be there.

funny you never heard the left saying the same thing about Chelsea Clinton when we were bombing kosovo..

[Nbadan]

NBAdan...it's funny that your conspiracy ridden brain has determined that Ralph Nader is an enemy of the Democratic Party...yet you fail to see that Moore hurts the party in exactly the same way...only moreso...because he actually pushes liberals to the right, instead of pulling them to the left into a liberal party, like Nader.

I will never be on the same side of an issue as Michael Moore and I know a lot of people that feel the same way....

MM hurts the Democratic Party only as so far as the likes of Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson hurt the Republican Party. They are fun to mock, but in reality their are far from being power-players in either party.

[whottt]

He lost by 4 points in a heavy Republican district and he only campaigned for a few weeks with very little cash, certainly much less than 'the hag' spent.

He got a ton of free publicity in the lead up to the election...his short amount of time campaigning did not hurt him.

All he had to do was....say he supported the troops and that he supported the war effort, rightly or wrongly, because it's too late to turn back now...and he'd have gotten elected. Instead he short circuited his own campaign...the guy had great credentials...he's the reason he lost...and he lost for the same reasons that Michael Moore is despised.

[whottt]

MM hurts the Democratic Party only as so far as the likes of Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson hurt the Republican Party. They are fun to mock, but in reality their are far from being power-players in either party.

You don't see Falwell and Robertson riding shotgun next to ex-presidents at the RNC....

And no...Moore is worse than those guys anyway...and that's saying something...because I hate those guys too...

[Trainwreck2100]

I guess if the bush twins wanted to volunteer to join the army they'd be there.
.

They would never need to, because rich people don't join the armed services.