"Alarming in what sense", in the sense that he is facing the biggest, strongest, most powerful, best wrestling heavy-weight he ever has and is coming into the fight much smaller than he usually does. That is alarming to me. He came in big against Tim, and Sylvia while huge is not nearly as strong as Brock and probably not even half the athlete Brock is. The smaller he is, the harder it will be for him to move that monster around the ring, that is a problem.. When he locks up with Brock and Brock can toss him around easily, that's a problem.. Maybe he wants to run a lot on Brock and try to wear him out that way. But i don't love Randy's body coming into this fight, age may be a factor in that.Alarming in what sense?
Randy knows what he is doing, he have his game plan and he trains for that game plan to be as prepared as he can be best.
He must be in his best to beat the beast !
This actually a very good match up for both. It will be interesting to see where Brock is at. Im wondering if he will come out and try to bull-rush Randy or will he feel him out and maybe try take some shots at him. Brock is very quick and Randy could take some shots in stand up, but the ground game is going to be crazy with these two. Cant wait for this one.
Just size is yes.. But Size on top of a freakish athlete, on top of a great wrestler, is a complicated formula to solve..
Age is a factor, everything is a factor.
At his age he can't be too slow, and I think he rather stay faster then try to be heavy.
IMO he will try to strike with Brock and make him think more then he used to. Move the legs, give many angles. Keep the distance.
Gaining mass won't give him much more strenght then he has in his 'normal' weight.
Ofcourse Brock has less lbs to carry.
I wonder if Brock can finish Randy when he could not finish Heath. And acually he had problem taking Herring down. same Herring that was thrown like a puppet by Fedor.
All in all I'm all pumped up for this fight. I don't know maybe I'm american at that regard.
Because all in all one guy is too old and second do not have a versitality and he is just begining the MMA. In his fights Brock only proved he is great freakish athlete but his skills needs a work.
My husband has an interesting theory to this. He thinks Randy will initially go to the ground - get Lesnar mentally into wrestling mode - let him get comfortable, then switch to a quick sub.
From bloodyelbow:
According the place where I get the most up to date MMA news (TMZ.com), Kim Couture has gotten a restraining order against T-Shirt guy and Affliction VP Tom Beard.
Apparently Beard started going nuts when the Coutures committed an atrocious sin: they asked about the profits for the Xtreme Couture clothing line:
Randy and wife Kim claim Affliction Prez Todd Beard has been on a campaign of terror against them since they asked for an accounting of profits. A Las Vegas judge just issued a temporary restraining order, prohibiting Beard from going near Kim, and that includes going near the MGM Grand when Randy fights this Saturday. And Beard can't go to the Hotel during the weigh-in the day before either.
This sort of puts Beard's rant on Sirius radio into a new light and hints at even more problems regarding the rocky relationship between Affliction and the Coutures.
I also find it scary that the restraining order says that Beard can't go to the fight or the weigh-ins this weekend. Is this guy really that crazy or dangerous that he'd show up to the fight and make a scene?
I agree with the first part about his stragedy but if Randy comes in light, he is all the more easy for Brock to toss around when they lock up, advantage Brock...
I keep hearing this Brock couldn't finish Heath stuff and the reality is he never tried too. I've seen that fight back 25 times at least. Once he had Heath hurt he just rode his back, with conservative GNP. Could not finish Mir would be accurate because that was aggressive GNP and he got caught in a sub. Brock never went for the finish with Heath, he was content to just ride him with subtle GNP.. And No, he had no problems at all, taking Herring down. First take-down, exploded right through him on a double leg. All the other takedowns he locked up with Heath, easily got top position, he never struggled to get it down, and Herring is 30 pds heavier at least than Randy. He also exploded right through Mir, again 30 pds or so bigger than Randy..
Makes sense to me. Wonder how those ribs will hold up to those knees.
I was just going to post this. Freaking insane.
There is no way they would do this if that clothing line was making them money. Kind of telling where Affliction is.
Despite having the appearance of a big dumb rock monster, Lesnar's a pretty intelligent guy. I think he'd probably be on the lookout for a similar trick, especially from a crafty old vet like Randy.
the reality is he never tried too
That's the most ridiculus thing I hear when comes to fighting.
I'm sorry but when you fight you try to finish the guy.
He was not able to finish Heath.
And when we talking about clinch. Brock may know the wrestling but Randy knows what works in MMA with cage behind you.
How come Randy will try to submitt Brock if he is not know for submissions at all.
That would not be good startegy a plan "A" strategy. On the back submitting?
Randy will have to keep the fight at his pace and dictate it all fight long.
I'm still cracking up over "big dumb rock monster"
Its so innocent sounding but so insulting at the same time.
Because you find it ridiculous does not make it untrue. How many boxing fights have you seen might i ask? Do you know how many times i have seen a superior boxer, content to win a 12 rd decision and not care one bit about trying for a KO. Ali was famous for this.. So was Lennox Lewis and Ray Leonard.. What you are saying is one dimensional and it makes no sense.. Fighters fight all kinds of fights for all kinds of reasons. Brock was the better wrestler and he knew it. He had Heath hurt, and rode him to an easy 15 min decision. Pop in the tape and press play..
I stole it from my 8-year-old. He was speaking of some movie thing, though, not Lesnar. I think that was the weekend he watched "Galaxy Quest."
At any rate, I'm sure Lesnar's heard worse from the guys he trains with every day. Fighters are full of insults and rarely watch their language. I distinctly recall Stephen Bonner saying once that Keith Jardine "looks kind of like The Devil".
Boxing is bit diferent.
Ali ahs the style of striking and gettin away keeping the perfect distance for him and he was depending on his quckness and speed and footwork.
When he saw a chance he tried to finish the guy.
Tysons style was bit different. He tried to knock his opponent as soon as possible even when he knew he was better.
In MMA you can pay the prize for okay I will just stay away and strike the guy or take him down and pond him just for fun cause I so way better then him
However this is truth some guy backing down and not going for a finish cause it's risk.
Brock went on Heath like a bull on a matador. He had him on his back and nothing.
He did not knew how to finish Heath in that fight.
I sort of agree with this.
I would adjust it a bit…I would say size from cutting to fight day is overrated but Brocks massive size that's bursting the HW division seems versus Randy's looking like someone who will have to guzzle rocks (that’s for desflood's son) to make 206 is very relevant.
So randy will have rocks in his pockets on the weigh-in ?
No sorry I didn't make that clear….lost in translation. That was sarcasm on my part.
Actually Ali especially during his more controversial years where he took a lot of would time to time, pound on opponents and never try to finish. He wanted to punish them for 15 rds for doing such things like "Refusing to call him by his changed name, still calling him Clay"..
Tyson was more technical than people gave him credit for. During his hey-day, he worked off his jab, threw combos to the body, then up to the head. It wasn't that he was always looking to take guys out quick, but he hit so damn hard and was so technical, it just often worked out that way.. His rep as a head-hunter is really only true for the 2nd half of his career..
It depends on how bad you have your man hurt and what your style is. Bisping made no serious attempt to finish Leben, he was content back-peddling and counter-punching. If you are brave enough and want to be bored watch, Sylvia and Jeff Monson, where neither guy was interested in going after the other for 5 grueling, boring ass rounds. Tim could have KO'd him whenever he wanted too, but he was too timid to let his hands go.. GSP tried to finish Fitch, in rds 1 and 3, with standup and GNP but could not. RDs 2, 4 and 5 he did enough to just easily win the RDS..
He went after Mir like you phrased it, but not Herring. That is what got him caught with Mir. Rode his back and went crazy with Hammer fists. Tried to throw too many heavy shots in the guard of Mir, stood up in a bad spot, and got his leg hooked. Herring even when he was in the mount he made no serious attempt to finish. There is no way in Brock has no clue what to do when you have someone mounted like that. Amateur MMA fighters know what to do in that spot.. That's taking too much credit away from Brock.. He was content to ride that win out and not taking serious chances. Brock's number 1 priorioty in that fight was, don't get sub'd again..
Well it was joke on my side Evan
Yea it was his style and he knew he had adventage and he was using that skills to humilate opponents. He was almost untauchable when he was keeping the distance.
To me it's stupidity, but yest he was fighting that way many times.
Boxing is not mma though
His technique was fantastic. Very simple but fantastic. He was shorting the distance, get inside and rip heads off.Tyson was more technical than people gave him credit for. During his hey-day, he worked off his jab, threw combos to the body, then up to the head. It wasn't that he was always looking to take guys out quick, but he hit so damn hard and was so technical, it just often worked out that way.. His rep as a head-hunter is really only true for the 2nd half of his career..
Fighters are not going for a finish because they do not want to take the risk of being counterattacked (good word?)It depends on how bad you have your man hurt and what your style is. Bisping made no serious attempt to finish Leben, he was content back-peddling and counter-punching. If you are brave enough and want to be bored watch, Sylvia and Jeff Monson, where neither guy was interested in going after the other for 5 grueling, boring ass rounds. Tim could have KO'd him whenever he wanted too, but he was too timid to let his hands go.. GSP tried to finish Fitch, in rds 1 and 3, with standup and GNP but could not. RDs 2, 4 and 5 he did enough to just easily win the RDS..
They like to keep the fight where it is waiting for better occasion.
But damn what for real is "going to finish" ?
They are fighting right? And they want to win so they are doing what they should do to win. There are guys like machida who just like piss opponents off
And there is a guy like Fedor who is fighting with intense and every occasion there is he taking as soon as he can.
Maybe it's taking credit from Heath who was defending himself alright enough to survive.He went after Mir like you phrased it, but not Herring. That is what got him caught with Mir. Rode his back and went crazy with Hammer fists. Tried to throw too many heavy shots in the guard of Mir, stood up in a bad spot, and got his leg hooked. Herring even when he was in the mount he made no serious attempt to finish. There is no way in Brock has no clue what to do when you have someone mounted like that. Amateur MMA fighters know what to do in that spot.. That's taking too much credit away from Brock.. He was content to ride that win out and not taking serious chances. Brock's number 1 priorioty in that fight was, don't get sub'd again..
IMO Brock was unable to finish Herring because he i still lacking some skills and experience in diferent MMA fight situations.
But the statment - He did not finished him because he did not went for a finish is ridiculus to me and always will be.
Or maybe we should take every fight as seperat example and discuss
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To me it was like saying that Brock did not finished Herring because he did not wanted to.
oops sorry.Well it was joke on my side Evan
yeah but MMA fights are finished so more often. most boxers don't try to finish. you can't compare the two to begin with, they're two different sports.
agree. dude did not know how to put hooks in and RNC him or even GnP him out. could have arm-bared him several times.
He had the hooks in more than once but when Heath was offering resistance he was willing to let it go rather than hang on and force GNP, knowing how dominant he was on top of him. I am far from the only one that saw this. Rogan and Goldberg both pointed it out on the telecast, that he was content to not taking major chances with Heath because he didn't have to..
I didn't compare them as sports but my point is relevant to his about certain fights and styles. I already named 2 MMA fights where the finish was not pushed, i can name many more. His point was that everyone goes into an MMA fight looking to finish, that is not correct. Sometimes they also go into it and change gears based on what is transpiring..
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