manu should be dealt

[rascal]

Great logic!

Manu should be traded because he was injures . . . last year???

I guess what follows is that Parker should be traded, because he is injured today

Dude, you've been wrong since 2004. Give it up!

Don't understand your logic. I said last dec. he should have been traded then shortly after that he goes out for the year. I was right wanting to move him because he was worthless for the rest of the year.

The spurs are not winning a le with Manu and a weak frontline.

[DaBears]

Manu is not going anywhere... FRont office wont allow it, City wont allow it, Argentina wont allow it... my next door neighbors baby momma wont allow it.

[DaBears]

Im okay with bouncing booner, Count Finley, Bogans, and TP..... Everyone else can stay and do my laundry........Cuase they are all washed up. lol

[OldSilentHill]

Manu is over rated here. He has good stretches of games from time to time but overall very inconsistent especially against the top teams.
Not even an all star type of player.


The spurs are still without a true starting quality center and trading Manu to get one made sense.

These earlier posts are from before Manu went out last year to an injury so we were right to want to move him. last year was another wasted opportunity for a le and Manu was not there in the playoffs when needed.

So you realize that, without a healthly Manu, Spurs can´t do it.

So, he is demostrating big times for the last month and you come up with this?

You need to open your heart like Gino and believe as he does in court

[smeagol]

The spurs are not winning a le with Manu and a weak frontline.

You said the same thing in 05 and 07. You even bet Vbucks against the Spurs. Don't make me find the post . . .

[ElNono]

Don't understand your logic. I said last dec. he should have been traded then shortly after that he goes out for the year. I was right wanting to move him because he was worthless for the rest of the year.

You never want to move an injured guy, unless you're moving him for the value of his expiring. How you pretend to get a quality player in return for an player whose value is at the lowest?

If anything, moving him now that his value is up would have been an option if we would be tanking/rebuilding. But obviously we're not.

[The Truth #6]

The trading deadline passed so I'm not sure what the argument is about. Trading Parker makes more sense because he has a higher value, but it doesn't matter because the FO isn't trading any of the Big 3. They can't think outside the concept of the Big 3. Without the Big 3, the FO and coaches have nothing else to hang their hat on.

[senorglory]

Manu moves the ball, hustles, and plays well with the new guys. His shot is coming back and he's starting to score again. He's made big defensive plays all season, even when it was clear he had a few months to go getting back into shape from summer layoff. I don't see the urgency in moving Manu. There may be a good argument in moving Manu for money issues, which have not yet manifest, or as part of seriously good trade that brings us youth and talent, which can't happen this season now that we're past the trade deadline, but otherwise, what's the hubbub, bub?

[senorglory]

It's been repeated here, as everywhere else, what has become a bit of an old chestnut, that 'basketball is a business.' Well, humbug, I say. Basketball may be a business to those that are actually in the business of basketball, but for fans, basketball operates nothing like a business.

When one cheers for the Spurs for twenty plus years, he shows more than brand loyalty. Our joy in the Spurs' success isn't measured in dividends. Oh there's a definite bottom line, for the company that owns the Spurs franchise-- they know how much money they've made for their investors, but there's no similar bottom line for the fans to which the Spurs franchise belongs in a different sense. The business enterprise can measure success in dollars, how do basketball fans measure success? Not in dollars, nor really even in those other basketball indicators of "wins" and "championships," even though this is another oft repeated false truism. I have loved the Spurs even in years their return was zero, as measured in championships, and conversely, I did not instead love the Lakers during those loathsome years the Lakers investment returned championships... because those things, individual wins and championships, are to some degree irrelevant, and to all degrees not the sole measure of a fan's appreciation for his team.

It's great to be a Spurs fan because our guys are likable guys. I like Ginobili. I like Duncan. I like Blair. I like the Spurs culture. I like our brand of basketball and believe it's a superior product, even in the face of contradictory data-- such as playoff defeats. I don't care, we're the Spurs dammit! We do it our way. Ginobili is one of us.

Sure I want to win, and I'm as practical and cynical as the next SpursTalk poster, but I just want to point out, as part of this conversation, that there's more at stake in trading Ginobili than just moving some stats around, or dumping some money, and I think the disconnect between posters here in favor or against the trade may be from the failure to recognize that basketball is not, in fact, merely a business, and that when we talk about moving one of the big three, we're talking about something that cannot-- should not, by the fan, be approached with complete clinical indifference.

[vander]

It must really suck to be a Manu hater...

how many times they called him done? And he always comes back and proves them wrong...

At least I'll give credit to vander and rascal for showing up...

when has he done this when it matters, I can't believe you guys think he's going to continue playing like he did last night, like he just magically flipped a switch.

when it matters, in the playoffs, against good defense, he will get shut down and/or injured.

I said it after his injury against the Lakers in the playoffs, We can't win a le with Manu anymore, and I stick with it.

I still think we have a small chance to win it all this year, but it will be in spite of Manu, If we have to rely on Manu "being Manu" to win, we don't have a chance. but if the team starts playing good D, and TP gets healthy, and RJ finally finds his groove, and Pop starts using smart lineups, and our 3 point shooters don't go cold, and if Manu is relegated to little more than a role player... then we could win it all yet.

[ElNono]

when has he done this when it matters, I can't believe you guys think he's going to continue playing like he did last night, like he just magically flipped a switch.

when it matters, in the playoffs, against good defense, he will get shut down and/or injured.

Now Manu never played well in the playoffs? Elevated his game and won us pivotal games in the same fashion as last night?

I said it after his injury against the Lakers in the playoffs, We can't win a le with Manu anymore, and I stick with it.

I still think we have a small chance to win it all this year, but it will be in spite of Manu, If we have to rely on Manu "being Manu" to win, we don't have a chance. but if the team starts playing good D, and TP gets healthy, and RJ finally finds his groove, and Pop starts using smart lineups, and our 3 point shooters don't go cold, and if Manu is relegated to little more than a role player... then we could win it all yet.

So, if we win it's in spite of Manu...
but if we lose it's because of Manu...

You have all your hatin' bases covered.

I just don't know why you're so butthurt. Wasn't Manu done a long time ago?

[vander]

Now Manu never played well in the playoffs? Elevated his game and won us pivotal games in the same fashion as last night?



So, if we win it's in spite of Manu...
but if we lose it's because of Manu...

You have all your hatin' bases covered.

I just don't know why you're so butthurt. Wasn't Manu done a long time ago?

you're reading, but you aren't understanding. there's no hating, there's only a clear view of reality that you are desperately resisting, this team might win a Championship, but it will be with manu being little more than a 3 point shooter.

in fact, if Manu gets injured again, it won't even hurt our chances all that much.

this is the truth, and an exciting play here and there, a good game here and there, calling people haters... these things might make you feel better for a short while, but eventually you're going to have to face the truth: Manu on the court does not improve this team's chances of beating good teams.

[Manudona]

It's been repeated here, as everywhere else, what has become a bit of an old chestnut, that 'basketball is a business.' Well, humbug, I say. Basketball may be a business to those that are actually in the business of basketball, but for fans, basketball operates nothing like a business.

When one cheers for the Spurs for twenty plus years, he shows more than brand loyalty. Our joy in the Spurs' success isn't measured in dividends. Oh there's a definite bottom line, for the company that owns the Spurs franchise-- they know how much money they've made for their investors, but there's no similar bottom line for the fans to which the Spurs franchise belongs in a different sense. The business enterprise can measure success in dollars, how do basketball fans measure success? Not in dollars, nor really even in those other basketball indicators of "wins" and "championships," even though this is another oft repeated false truism. I have loved the Spurs even in years their return was zero, as measured in championships, and conversely, I did not instead love the Lakers during those loathsome years the Lakers investment returned championships... because those things, individual wins and championships, are to some degree irrelevant, and to all degrees not the sole measure of a fan's appreciation for his team.

It's great to be a Spurs fan because our guys are likable guys. I like Ginobili. I like Duncan. I like Blair. I like the Spurs culture. I like our brand of basketball and believe it's a superior product, even in the face of contradictory data-- such as playoff defeats. I don't care, we're the Spurs dammit! We do it our way. Ginobili is one of us.

Sure I want to win, and I'm as practical and cynical as the next SpursTalk poster, but I just want to point out, as part of this conversation, that there's more at stake in trading Ginobili than just moving some stats around, or dumping some money, and I think the disconnect between posters here in favor or against the trade may be from the failure to recognize that basketball is not, in fact, merely a business, and that when we talk about moving one of the big three, we're talking about something that cannot-- should not, by the fan, be approached with complete clinical indifference.

[Agloco]

ok hear me out before you all howl me down... please?
trading manu would help us greatly, its just a matter of trading for the right piece.
mason would be our starting SG (more than qualified for that role) and the player we trade for manu can fill a hole in our team.
trading him for a quality SF or C would definitely put us close to the top of the league.

i know just about every spurs fan loves manu, but im just saying that pulling the trigger on a deal with the right price would immensely improve the team.

lets just remember that manu cost us the conference finals series against dallas mavs!!

This from the guy who has y J in his sig......

GTFO man.

[Agloco]

you don't have to be a homer to be a fan

But you do have to have something positive to say in order for people to buy the wheel-barrel full of crap you're pushing.

Pretty much every comment you post is negatively inclined.

[rascal]

It's been repeated here, as everywhere else, what has become a bit of an old chestnut, that 'basketball is a business.' Well, humbug, I say. Basketball may be a business to those that are actually in the business of basketball, but for fans, basketball operates nothing like a business.

When one cheers for the Spurs for twenty plus years, he shows more than brand loyalty. Our joy in the Spurs' success isn't measured in dividends. Oh there's a definite bottom line, for the company that owns the Spurs franchise-- they know how much money they've made for their investors, but there's no similar bottom line for the fans to which the Spurs franchise belongs in a different sense. The business enterprise can measure success in dollars, how do basketball fans measure success? Not in dollars, nor really even in those other basketball indicators of "wins" and "championships," even though this is another oft repeated false truism. I have loved the Spurs even in years their return was zero, as measured in championships, and conversely, I did not instead love the Lakers during those loathsome years the Lakers investment returned championships... because those things, individual wins and championships, are to some degree irrelevant, and to all degrees not the sole measure of a fan's appreciation for his team.

It's great to be a Spurs fan because our guys are likable guys. I like Ginobili. I like Duncan. I like Blair. I like the Spurs culture. I like our brand of basketball and believe it's a superior product, even in the face of contradictory data-- such as playoff defeats. I don't care, we're the Spurs dammit! We do it our way. Ginobili is one of us.

Sure I want to win, and I'm as practical and cynical as the next SpursTalk poster, but I just want to point out, as part of this conversation, that there's more at stake in trading Ginobili than just moving some stats around, or dumping some money, and I think the disconnect between posters here in favor or against the trade may be from the failure to recognize that basketball is not, in fact, merely a business, and that when we talk about moving one of the big three, we're talking about something that cannot-- should not, by the fan, be approached with complete clinical indifference.

Corny!

[rascal]

You never want to move an injured guy, unless you're moving him for the value of his expiring. How you pretend to get a quality player in return for an player whose value is at the lowest?

If anything, moving him now that his value is up would have been an option if we would be tanking/rebuilding. But obviously we're not.

It was trading him before he was injured.

[rascal]

It's been repeated here, as everywhere else, what has become a bit of an old chestnut, that 'basketball is a business.' Well, humbug, I say. Basketball may be a business to those that are actually in the business of basketball, but for fans, basketball operates nothing like a business.

When one cheers for the Spurs for twenty plus years, he shows more than brand loyalty. Our joy in the Spurs' success isn't measured in dividends. Oh there's a definite bottom line, for the company that owns the Spurs franchise-- they know how much money they've made for their investors, but there's no similar bottom line for the fans to which the Spurs franchise belongs in a different sense. The business enterprise can measure success in dollars, how do basketball fans measure success? Not in dollars, nor really even in those other basketball indicators of "wins" and "championships," even though this is another oft repeated false truism. I have loved the Spurs even in years their return was zero, as measured in championships, and conversely, I did not instead love the Lakers during those loathsome years the Lakers investment returned championships... because those things, individual wins and championships, are to some degree irrelevant, and to all degrees not the sole measure of a fan's appreciation for his team.

It's great to be a Spurs fan because our guys are likable guys. I like Ginobili. I like Duncan. I like Blair. I like the Spurs culture. I like our brand of basketball and believe it's a superior product, even in the face of contradictory data-- such as playoff defeats. I don't care, we're the Spurs dammit! We do it our way. Ginobili is one of us.

Sure I want to win, and I'm as practical and cynical as the next SpursTalk poster, but I just want to point out, as part of this conversation, that there's more at stake in trading Ginobili than just moving some stats around, or dumping some money, and I think the disconnect between posters here in favor or against the trade may be from the failure to recognize that basketball is not, in fact, merely a business, and that when we talk about moving one of the big three, we're talking about something that cannot-- should not, by the fan, be approached with complete clinical indifference.

The bottom line is building a team that wins championships not a team of altar boys and if it means letting go of players that you have fond past memories of then so be it, if thats what is best for the franchise.

I am sure you will grow fond of the new spurs that will bring future success.

[SpurNation]

So the premise of the OP is to get something of value for Manu while he is at least tradeable prior to going south for the rest of his career?

I might consider that if the trade were to be for someone in their mid to late 20's that has proven to be the player Manu has proven to be.

...There isn't one out there...so...No.

[DAF86]

Manu on the court does not improve this team's chances of beating good teams.

Weren't you the one that said that you don't know much about basketball but you watch it just because of TP?...well, it shows.

[FeZZy]

that says a lot from a guy who has richard jefferson in their signature EW!

[Manu-of-steel]

[QUOTE=vander;4116292]you're reading, but you aren't understanding. there's no hating, there's only a clear view of reality that you are desperately resisting, this team might win a Championship, but it will be with manu being little more than a 3 point shooter.

in fact, if Manu gets injured again, it won't even hurt our chances all that much.

this is the truth, and an exciting play here and there, a good game here and there, calling people haters... these things might make you feel better for a short while, but eventually you're going to have to face the truth: Manu on the court does not improve this team's chances of beating good teams.[/QU
LOL at your view of reality. You're saying Manu on court doesn't improve the teams chances of beating good teams. LOL! I'm having abdominal cramps laughing at your posts. LOL!

[senorglory]

Corny!

Ha!

[ElNono]

you're reading, but you aren't understanding. there's no hating, there's only a clear view of reality that you are desperately resisting, this team might win a Championship, but it will be with manu being little more than a 3 point shooter.

in fact, if Manu gets injured again, it won't even hurt our chances all that much.

this is the truth, and an exciting play here and there, a good game here and there, calling people haters... these things might make you feel better for a short while, but eventually you're going to have to face the truth: Manu on the court does not improve this team's chances of beating good teams.

You keep saying that but you don't back it up with anything. There's simply no rationale that would explain how you reach that conclusion.
Either you don't watch the games or you simply don't know much of anything about basketball.

[lennyalderette]

he and timmy share the soul of this team!!! shut up and start posting fire pop threads