Where is tonights Nazr>Wilt thread?

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Back when he was doing that, I was a Malik fan.

It was last year (8 and 5) and this year (6 and 5) - diminishing stats since getting paid - that were the problems.

Last night Malik Rose had 11 and 6....that equals Nazr's best performance against Shaq...the difference being Malik did it off the bench in 18 minutes while Nazr put up his numbers as a starter in 37 minutes.


Give props and admit that nothing had changed about Malik's play...

I mean let's look at what Malik did the last time he played Shaq with the Spurs...

Oops...he got a DNPCD...Yeah he really sucked that game, and that loss was his fault, obviously his game has declined[/re ]


Malik's averaging 10 points a game against the Heat with the Knicks...might have been nice to have that against Mia should we meet them in the finals..it beats anything Rasho or Horry have done against the Heat lately. And Malik does have the willingness to take it to Shaq hard and try to pick up fouls...I don't see that same type of compe iveness in Nazr. I don't think he's a choker by any stretch...but he doesn't work as hard as Malik did...this is obvious.

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If the stat has real relevance, then explain what it means to you, rather than using the "ESPN has it" reason.. or the "Tim Duncan looks good with that stat so it must be relevant" reason.

You want relevance? I'll give you relevance...

If Mohammed has 4 fouls in the third quarter and you are forced to play him...if you are his coach are you going to encourage him to block shots?

I am 6 foot white guy...give me unlimited fouls per game and I'll go out there and make Mark Eaton my when it comes to blocks.


There is a correlation Solid D...I admit it's got a large margin for error...but that doesn't make it invaluable or invalid...fouls are always a factor in blocking shots...they are often the effect of the cause...

I can suggest that a possible benefit of not getting called for fouls on contested shots may encourage a less restrained approach to shot-blocking, but so what? Most of the fouls I've seen Nazr called for have been while he is still on the floor. Blocking fouls, screen fouls, etc. and not on jumping to block or contest shots. It's a fairly low-indicator stat. If not, why not with clear, meaningful reasons?

I've seen Nazr get at least 1 foul on a block attempt per game...this in limited minutes...

Defensive presence in the lane & the cornerstone of the Spurs defense is RULE 1: Force people away from the lane. That is where high percentage shots take place. Shot blocking ability is only part of defensive lane presence. AK47, or even Gerald Wallace is a better shot blocker than Nazr or Robert but that doesn't mean they alter shots and defend the paint better.

Sometimes Robert gambles and he can be rooted out of position. He's a tall SF too slow to defend 3s any more, so he plays PF. He does a lot with what he has and he's very smart in creating loose balls and playing screens out on the floor, but he's not the staunch lane presence Nazr is. Malik was more of a lane presence than Robert is but neither restrict airspace, leaping nor standing still like Nazr does.

Hmmm...I see the point you are trying to make...but Rasho is much slower than Horry and Nazr and he is a much better shotblocker than either of them...and he was before he ever came to the Spurs.

Let's just see how things go the rest of the season on Opp FG%. That should tell us a lot more than BPPF does, or will ever tell us.

Hmmm, the Spurs I think set the NBA record for opp FG% last season(And Horry was the key back up big on that team BTW)...Does that mean Rasho is more of a defensive presence than David Robinson?