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    What would you suggest we give? Joseph won't be in SA this year. If he's on the roster, he'll be in Austin. Neal is a goner next summer at the latest. He also plays no defense and can barely dribble. Blair has topped out. These are not key pieces. We also had too many rotation players last year. I'm doubting Pop wants to go 10 deep again. Trading Neal and CoJo also clears PT for Mills and DeColo.

    Manu and Jack are both 30 something FAs next summer too. We might want another young wing on the roster. Casspi had a good rookie year, but has gone downhill since on bad teams. I think he's salvageable and if you only have to give up end of rotation scraps, go for it.
    You can point out all the flaws of our players, but Casspi also has a lot of flaws as well and he couldn't even beat Alonzo Gee for the starting job in Cleveland, the same Gee that was waived by San Antonio.

    7ppg shooting 40%FG and 31% from 3P in 20 minutes. And SA has to give up Neal, Blair and Joseph for that?

    And for the record, Casspi is a career 67% FT, worse than Duncan and worse than what Tiago Splitter got last season.

    That's flat out terrible for a perimeter player.

    If you say that Joseph will be in Austin, why would you trade him to clear PT for Mills and De Colo ?

    Plus, if you doubt that Pop goes 10 deep again, then I don't see the point for Casspi. As a 3rd string SF, he won't play at all if Pop doesn't go 10-man deep.

    The point is : You don't pay for something you don't need now and that you can get for free next season. Casspi is in the last year of his rookie contract.

    Our SF rotation is fine for this season with Leonard and S-Jax. If in the next season S-Jax asks too much money, then Casspi would be a decent option for the backup SF position and with cap space, SA could simply offer him a decent contract and grab him.

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    ...so why don't give them Bonner for Casspi and Leuer ? the trade works...
    Because Leuer isn't on the team bubble? Trades that work for us don't necessarily work for Cleveland. I doubt they want Bonner any more than most on this forum.

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    You can point out all the flaws of our players, but Casspi also has a lot of flaws as well and he couldn't even beat Alonzo Gee for the starting job in Cleveland, the same Gee that was waived by San Antonio.

    7ppg shooting 40%FG and 31% from 3P in 20 minutes. And SA has to give up Neal, Blair and Joseph for that?

    And for the record, Casspi is a career 67% FT, worse than Duncan and worse than what Tiago Splitter got last season.

    That's flat out terrible for a perimeter player.

    If you say that Joseph will be in Austin, why would you trade him to clear PT for Mills and De Colo ?

    Plus, if you doubt that Pop goes 10 deep again, then I don't see the point for Casspi. As a 3rd string SF, he won't play at all if Pop doesn't go 10-man deep.

    The point is : You don't pay for something you don't need now and that you can get for free next season. Casspi is in the last year of his rookie contract.

    Our SF rotation is fine for this season with Leonard and S-Jax. If in the next season S-Jax asks too much money, then Casspi would be a decent option for the backup SF position and with cap space, SA could simply offer him a decent contract and grab him.
    Don't know if you've figured this one out yet, but none of Blair, Neal, Or Joseph will be on the Spurs on 2013, either. If we want Casspi next year, better to get him NOW and give him a year to learn the system. It easily takes that long to plug a player in.

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    Don't know if you've figured this one out yet, but none of Blair, Neal, Or Joseph will be on the Spurs on 2013, either. If we want Casspi next year, better to get him NOW and give him a year to learn the system. It easily takes that long to plug a player in.
    Sorry but what you're saying doesn't make any sense. The only goner is Blair. The rest we simply don't know yet.

    First, I don't even know what makes you believe that Cory Joseph won't be a Spur next season. He actually played great in the SL and showed great improvement. Cory never had a serious injury, Cory is still very young and he plays in a position very difficult to learn, especially in the Spurs system.

    His case is totally different from Anderson's case. Anderson had a serious injury, Anderson is 2 years older and he actually had the chance to prove himself and played like .

    You may hate Neal, but he actually has more trade value than Casspi right now. A lot of teams would love to have a guard like Neal coming off the bench. If SA doesn't keep him, he will have another job in the NBA quite easily. It's not his fault that he had to play out of position last season. And even playing out of position, he produced.

    10/2/2 42%3P 54%TS in 20 minutes

    Way better than Casspi, who produced numbers, with bad efficiency.

    SA doesn't have to get Casspi now simply because he won't play at all. He will be a 3rd string SF in SA. Not only SA doesn't need him now, but SA simply doesn't have to pay this much to get him.

    In ST, people tend to think that what's in our "neighborhood" is better than what we have and that's not always the case. This is the classic case.

    Your trade doesn't make any sense for SA. If you want to ship Blair, Neal and Cory for a BIG that can help SA now, I am all for it. Not for Casspi.


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    Neal's a goner, and for the reason you stated: teams will want him and the Spurs won't pay market. They'll just pull another FA guard out of their asses for the minimum, like they did Neal, Green and Mills. Trust me: Neal's done here, NLT the end of next season. He'll command money, but he doesn't play enough D to get it from the Spurs like Green did. Mills is going to do to him what Green did to Anderson last year.

    CoJo showed nothing good last year, and SL don't mean a damn thing. They have to decide on his year 3 options before THIS season starts. Care to make a wager? I'm in for 'no'.

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    The problem is that you're assuming too much stuff to justify a trade that makes 0 sense for SA.

    You say that Cory showed nothing good last year, but Casspi hasn't showed in Cleveland and Sacramento and he is going to his 4th year in the league. So why are we trading for him again ?

    Having Kawhi and S-Jax also doesn't help your attempt. SA doesn't need an expensive 3rd string SF having already 12m committed in that position.

    Cleveland would trade Casspi for anything at this point, even a TPE with a protected 2nd round pick. He is gone in Cleveland, just like Blair is gone in SA.

    As for Neal leaving for money, that could happen with Mills as well. If Mills plays as well as you think (hopefully he does because i don't want to see Neal playing the point again) he could very well leave for more money, especially considering that he has PO after this season.

    And yes, i think SA picks Cory's option. I'm in for "yes" here.

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    Starting next summer Joseph is going to be coached by Nash on Team Canada. That takes my "no" wager off the table.

    I haven't seen a SpursTalk Cash wager in a while.

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