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    One thing I've noticed Varejao has really improved in is his offense.
    Before if he took a jumper you laughed your ass off. Now, he can actually knock it down from time to time and has a mediocre hook shot.

    His defense in the post is good, my only problem is shot blocking.

    IMO getting Varejao is like getting the brazilian version of Dejuan Blair.

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    One thing I've noticed Varejao has really improved in is his offense.
    Before if he took a jumper you laughed your ass off. Now, he can actually knock it down from time to time and has a mediocre hook shot.

    His defense in the post is good, my only problem is shot blocking.

    IMO getting Varejao is like getting the brazilian version of Dejuan Blair.
    Actually he was a good shooter from the outside when he played here but than he went to Barcelona and the Cavs and stopped shoting long Js.
    I think the coaches asked that. But when he played on the Brazil NT he even tried some 3s.

    My biggest concern about him is finishing games

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    Nice article....there is so many to choose from....here is my list in no order, Rasheed, Nesterovic, Andersen, McDyess, Gortat, and Warrick, maybe even more too!

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    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insid...gents09-090629

    now Chad Ford has his TOP 30 FA of 2009

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    this is like a thread at Bizzaro Spurstalk

    varejo is ing worthless, we want to sign GOOD players, who can HELP the team

    we might at well sign mike doleac or mike madsen

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    James will not be leaving. Cleveland is committed to putting a good team around him at all cost.
    Well, but haven't they constantly been failing at doing that for about five years now?

    I agree with almost everyone here that it should either be Sheed or Dice. I think both would be great for the Spurs, and it almost wouldn't matter which one of those two we would get if we could. Of course, neither is exactly young, but who cares? They wouldn't be asked to "last" five years, just two would be enough.
    I'm not that thrilled with the Birdman, who is a rather unrealistic option anyway. The same goes for Pachulia; Varejao would be an interesting option though, if we fail to land either Sheed or McDyess.

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    looks like you can add Mehmet Okur to the list he is going to opt out of his deal

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    looks like you can add Mehmet Okur to the list he is going to opt out of his deal
    He'll likely command more money than the MLE, so it's moot. But I guess I am curious where he would be on LJ's list.

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    David Aldridge on NBA.com.

    If Rasheed Wallace is such a pariah, and finished as a player, why do so many good teams want him?

    The reality, of course, is that Wallace is only offputting to referees and many in my line of work (personally, 'Sheed and I have gotten along just fine). His teammates have always considered him one of the smartest, most loyal guys around. When he smells a chance at a le, he's fully engaged. When he knows his team has no shot, as he knew last season's Pistons didn't, he's somewhere else.

    And many teams that figure to be in the hunt next season -- Cleveland, Boston, San Antonio and Orlando -- are all interested in the 34-year-old, who'll become a free agent Wednesday morning. While there's a slight chance he'll re-up in Detroit, the likelihood is that Wallace is moving on, taking his low-post defensive excellence (no one guards Tim Duncan and Dwight Howard better on the block, which each of those teams knows) and spread-the-court shooting ability with him. (Give Charlotte, where Wallace's favorite coach, Larry Brown, currently resides, a 1 percent chance.)

    The Cavs are the longest of long shots; Wallace has had enough of cold Midwest winters. The Celtics are hoping Garnett's longstanding friendship with Wallace could convince him to sign up in equally cold Beantown. That leaves the Spurs and Magic, which just happen to be the two leaders in the clubhouse for Wallace's services. Both teams have done extensive homework and both have the thumbs-up to proceed.

    One potential pitfall: if Wallace, who'll turn 35 in September, signs a multi-year deal, it could be considered an "Over 36" contract by the league. For reasons way too complex to get into here, such contracts are harder for teams to swallow, because more money is put into the earlier years of the deal. (The last-year salary of such contracts is amortized into the earlier years of the contract. Happy now? I'm confused all over again. This is why God gave Larry Coon, the CBA guru, his own Facebook page. Go read it.).
    http://www.nba.com/2009/news/feature.../29/postdraft/

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    looks like you can add Mehmet Okur to the list he is going to opt out of his deal
    He'll get more than the MLE so he wouldn't go on the list.

    He'll likely command more money than the MLE, so it's moot. But I guess I am curious where he would be on LJ's list.
    I'd probably put him third. His three-point shooting would be deadly as a fourth or fifth option. He's not too old and has been very durable in his career. Defensively, he's strong enough to put up a decent battle in one-on-one situations and he rebounds his position pretty well.

    On the other side of the coin, he's pretty damn slow and that wouldn't mesh too well with Duncan on defense against certain teams. He also doesn't strike me as a playoff warrior or a guy burning for an NBA championship.

    But you'd have to take him over anyone outside of Wallace or McDyess. He's too good of a scorer and a better shooter than anyone else on the list. Memo would get tons of open shots when teams are forced to protect the paint against the Fab 4. I also think he'd match-up pretty well against Gasol and/or Bynum.

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    My favorite Stat, the on court/off court

    1st # is net 2008/2009, 2nd # is Adjusted 2007-2009 (Plus-Minus results adjusted to account for both the teammates and the opponents on the floor with a player over the course of the season. This value is based on two years of data including the playoffs. Playoffs are weighted at 2x the weight of the regular seasons with each regular season rated equally.)

    Wallace . . . +4.39 . . . +6.49
    McDyess . . .-3.42 . . . +1.07
    Andersen . . -0.84 . . . -0.60
    Varejao . . . +2.48 . . . -2.11
    Gortat . . . . -12.69 . . -2.46
    Gooden . . . -6.43 . . . -2.35
    Pachulia . . . +3.47 . . . +2.99

    Bonner . . . . +8.89 . . . +5.36





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    One potential pitfall: if Wallace, who'll turn 35 in September, signs a multi-year deal, it could be considered an "Over 36" contract by the league. For reasons way too complex to get into here, such contracts are harder for teams to swallow, because more money is put into the earlier years of the deal. (The last-year salary of such contracts is amortized into the earlier years of the contract. Happy now? I'm confused all over again. This is why God gave Larry Coon, the CBA guru, his own Facebook page. Go read it.).
    I'm pretty sure that the over 36 rule doesn't kick in until contracts get 4 years in length. I don't see the Spurs or anyone else for that matter giving Sheed 4 years.

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    I'm pretty sure that the over 36 rule doesn't kick in until contracts get 4 years in length. Don't see the Spurs giving Sheed 4 years.
    Yeah, I was about to post that. For the over-36 rule to come into effect, Rasheed would have to sign him to a four-year contract. If it comes down to that, I'd move on to McDyess.

    At the very longest, I'd go three years on Wallace. And even then, I might switch to McDyess if McDyess would go for a two-year contract.

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    you are right i think 2 years is what he will get form spurs max years being 3 years

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    Yeah, I was about to post that. For the over-36 rule to come into effect, Rasheed would have to sign him to a four-year contract. If it comes down to that, I'd move on to McDyess.

    At the very longest, I'd go three years on Wallace. And even then, I might switch to McDyess if McDyess would go for a two-year contract.
    A 3 year deal to either one of those guys would create some nice synergy with Duncan's deal expiring in 2012. A 2 year extension for Manu would also line up nicely. It would set the Spurs up for a nice cap run in 2012. Not sure how important the Spurs would view that, but it's something to consider.
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    A 3 year deal to either one of those guys would create some nice synergy with Duncan's deal expiring in 2010.
    Typo? Duncan's contract ends in 2012.

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    Typo? Duncan's contract ends in 2012.
    Doh! Nice catch.

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    Damn, McDyess is money from the side of the court where Duncan prefers. I could see a lot of two-man action between McDyess and Duncan. McDyess enters the ball to Duncan on the post and if the big sags, McDyess gets the return pass in his wheelhouse.


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    Don't forget Houston in the mix for big men like Sheed and others. Yao is done for next year and probably forever.

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    Don't forget Houston in the mix for big men like Sheed and others. Yao is done for next year and probably forever.
    If Yao is out for the season, they'd likely go in tank mode.

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    I would be very happy if we end up either Sheed/Dice. I know it is not realistic. But is it possible that we get both of them?

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    Don't forget Houston in the mix for big men like Sheed and others. Yao is done for next year and probably forever.
    Without Yao, the only thing the Rockets can offer a prospect is a chance to start and money. The Spurs have a chance to start and a chance to win.

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    I would be very happy if we end up either Sheed/Dice. I know it is not realistic. But is it possible that we get both of them?
    I was actually wondering this; Sheed would probably want the MLE, but I think McDyess is more interested in the championship. If they're close (anyone know?), McDyess might just throw in with him for the vet min and a great shot at a ring.

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    Let's get one of them, before we talk about both..too greedy..

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    A Celtics writer is reporting that his "inside sources" are saying that Wallace will be a Celtic, and that they're all pretty confident about it..could easily be bull , so we'll have to see..

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