Ex-Rockets Guard Wafer Signs With Olympiakos

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Capacity: 1,350

Home of: Maroussi B.C. (A1 Division)

old picture before it was renovated.

Once again THIS is their main arena



Are you going to keep posting the anti Greece attacks for the mods to look at?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

I could have sworn you said they all had to have 10,000 by 2009-2010, considering when I said that it was going to be three years before that happened, you said it was happening in 2009-2010.

You are re ed. It is obvious.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Capacity: 1,862

Home of: A.O.Sporting B.C. (Â Division), AEK Athens B.C. (A1 Division)

This is the main arena of AEK dip .

[Spursfan092120]

You are re ed. It is obvious.

lmao. Only thing that's obvious is your complete ignorance, and the fact that you completely fail at everything you do.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Also Sporting arena has also been renovated since that image. Once again you bring a picture of an arena that was already renovated and don't mention that. You live in a world that is about 5-7 years in the past.

[ChumpDumper]

As you can see not only is there several big arenas that teams use now but there is also several big arenas that are new and much more modern (state of the art actually for Olympics) and just sit empty.

Well no . Greece spent about 5% of it's entire GNP to put on the Olympics and got left with some nice subway improvements and a bunch of venues no one wants to buy or maintain.





It's not a problem that is unique to Greece -- just more reminders that the Olympics are a scam.

[Mel_13]

That is an OLD image before it was renovated.

And for 100th time this is there main arena

The image is from November, 2008 according to website that you frequently use.

Last season they played 13 home games in the small arena that they own and only 6 games in the large arena which they don't. It would seem that the small arena is their main arena and the only reason they play any games in the large arena is to satisfy Eurocup standards.


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[manufan10]

This is the main arena of AEK dip .

That's what it said underneath. You are right they upgraded:

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Well they didn't pay it.

Only 2 categories of possible explanations:

1. They could no longer afford the fees to remain in the A1 league

OR

2. They no longer considered it a wise investment to pay the costs associated with remaining in the A1 league and chose the lower costs of a lesser league.


What other reason would compel a sports team owner to voluntarily move his team to a lesser league?

You are an idiot. Do you not understand basic concepts? The clubs do not have a choice if they are put in the league or not. The rules AUTOMATICALLY put them in the league.

Do you know what the damn promotion and relegation even is? The fee is so that if a team did not actually want to be in a different league then they simply do not pay it and do not change. But then another club would have to pay to take the promotion.

It has not a damn thing to even do with what you are saying. The clubs often times do not want or plan on changing. They never intended to move to the different league moron. You are so ignorant of other cultures.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

That's what it said underneath. You are right they upgraded:

Keep posting the bashing and the proven lies. The mods will have to take care of it. No other culture is allowed to be treated like that here and it needs to stop for Greece.

Also since you just make up facts then should I just start making up facts and posting any gym I feel like for NBA teams also? Since that is how immature and stupid you are acting.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

AEK's main arena

[Mel_13]

You are an idiot. Do you not understand basic concepts? The clubs do not have a choice if they are put in the league or not. The rules AUTOMATICALLY put them in the league.

Do you know what the damn promotion and relegation even is? The fee is so that if a team did not actually want to be in a different league then they simply do not pay it and do not change. But then another club would have to pay to take the promotion.

It has not a damn thing to even do with what you are saying. The clubs often times do not want or plan on changing. They never intended to move to the different league moron. You are so ignorant of other cultures.

Like when the loser in the qualifying matches between Aris and Maroussi is relegated to the Eurocup and does not get to play a single regular season Euroleague game?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

The arena AEK owns just for Greek league games and allows to sit empty for rental income to a shopping meet.

And it has been expanded with seats around the court since these pictures.



I guess manufan can also not grasp what the letters AEK would mean.

[ChumpDumper]

Keep posting the bashing and the proven lies. The mods will have to take care of it. No other culture is allowed to be treated like that here and it needs to stop for Greece.

It is proven that these teams play in these venues. Other countries' teams play in ty venues too. If any of their fans lied about their not playing in ty venues they would be piled on to as well.

, I have had season tickets for three years to a ty basketball venue. Why lie about it?

Also since you just make up facts then should I just start making up facts and posting any gym I feel like for NBA teams also? Since that is how immature and stupid you are acting.

All the posts were accurate. These teams play in these venues. If you have more recent pictures of the ty venues, go ahead and post them. I bet they still look ty.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Like when the loser in the qualifying matches between Aris and Maroussi is relegated to the Eurocup and does not get to play a single regular season Euroleague game?

Obviously you don't know about it.

Why don't you learn what it is and maybe you will not be such an ignorant jackass as you are now.

[manufan10]

Keep posting the bashing and the proven lies. The mods will have to take care of it. No other culture is allowed to be treated like that here and it needs to stop for Greece.

Also since you just make up facts then should I just start making up facts and posting any gym I feel like for NBA teams also? Since that is how immature and stupid you are acting.

I'm not bashing. I just posted pictures of arenas in Greece. If you have a problem with it, take it up with the people of the website I'm getting the information. No where did I even bash the Greek arenas. I even tried to help you out by posting the larger arenas first. You sit here and act like a baby or pretend that there aren't small arenas. If you have a problem with the arenas posted and the teams that play, or in your opinion, don't play there take it up with someone else. Again, from the website YOU are using:

http://www.stadia.gr/sporting/sporting.html

[Mel_13]

Obviously you don't know about it.

Why don't you learn what it is and maybe you will not be such an ignorant jackass as you are now.

Please teach us Billy.

Will the loser between Aris and Maroussi play in the Eurocup or the Euroleague?

Please give us the benefit of your knowledge.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

It is proven that these teams play in these venues. Other countries teams play in ty venues too. If any of their fans lied about their not playing in ty venues they would be piled on to as well.

All the posts were accurate. These teams play in these venues. If you have more recent pictures of the ty venues, go ahead and post them. I bet they still look ty.

LIAR

I never said they do not play some games in some of those arenas. It is ing assholes like you that make up the lie that these are the ONLY arenas they play in. That make up the LIES that these are the ONLY arenas in Greece and the ONLY arenas for the Athens clubs and the arenas that ALL Greek clubs play ALL their games in.

You are a racist, xenophobic, ethnocentric bigot and a disgrace to this forum and to all Americans. Good Americans with proper upbringing and civilized manners would have nothing to do with you and the other bigots here.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Please teach us Billy.

Will the loser between Aris and Maroussi play in the Eurocup or the Euroleague?

Please give us the benefit of your knowledge.

There is NO promotion and relegation in European cups idiot.

You clearly have a zero knowledge and grasp of all subjects that take place outside of where you live.

[ChumpDumper]

LIAR

I never said they do not play some games in some of those arenas. It is ing assholes like you that make up the lie that these are the ONLY arenas they play in. That make up the LIES that these are the ONLY arenas in Greece and the ONLY arenas for the Athens clubs and the arenas that ALL Greek clubs play ALL their games in.

LIES! No one ever said that's the only place they play or that those are the only arenas in Greece. We said that Greek teams play games in arenas like the ones we posted pictures of -- which is true.

I also said that they use patio furniture -- which is also true.

You are a racist, xenophobic, ethnocentric bigot and a disgrace to this forum and to all Americans. Good Americans with proper upbringing and civilized manners would have nothing to do with you and the other bigots here.

Nah, I'm a generally nice person. I just don't suffer fools and liars like you, no matter where they say they come from.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

I'm not bashing. I just posted pictures of arenas in Greece. If you have a problem with it, take it up with the people of the website I'm getting the information. No where did I even bash the Greek arenas. I even tried to help you out by posting the larger arenas first. You sit here and act like a baby or pretend that there aren't small arenas. If you have a problem with the arenas posted and the teams that play, or in your opinion, don't play there take it up with someone else. Again, from the website YOU are using:

http://www.stadia.gr/sporting/sporting.html

You are on purpose posting images of arenas that are years old. The same arenas with renovations and expansions since then. You make no mention of this and if it is pointed out to you then you get an at ude.

I guess you don't grasp basic concepts. You also refuse to acknowledge which clubs plays in which arenas and instead insist only on the arenas you want to list. And you also use information that even for that is years old.

You also insist on denying that panellinios and AEK play in the other arenas even with the logo of the club on one arena and even with box scores to prove Panellinios plays there.

Box scores to show Maroussi plays at OAKA, AEK plays at OAKA - OAKA is the 20,000 arena. And that panellinios plays at the 15,000 arena. The official uleb site itself I guess is not factual for you. But some guy's personal website that is years old is more "proof" than something like euroleague.net

Even chumpdumper who only exists in this forum to be someone that causes fights and to harrass others even admitted they play there from the box scores. He is talking about attendance figures because he is a racist bigot that likes to bash other cultures but even he could admit the teams play there. Something you seem incapable to even grasp.

Mel is just a racist jerk and a pure 100% liar. So which are you? Just a jerk trying to bash other countries for bigoted reasons like Mel or just a jerk like chumpdumper that is racist and likes to pick on other people?

[Mel_13]

There is NO promotion and relegation in European cups idiot.

You clearly have a zero knowledge and grasp of all subjects that take place outside of where you live.

You say that both Aris and Maroussi are Euroleague teams, yet the loser of qualification matches between the two teams will play in lower level of compe ion, the Eurocup.

I would contend that neither Aris or Maroussi are yet in the Euroleague, but let's go with your contention that they are.

If two Euroleague teams (your definition) must play one another before the Euroleague regular season begins and the loser is not allowed to play in regular season Euroleague games, but is sent to play in a lower level of compe ion, what words would you use to define what has happened to the loser?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

LIES! No one ever said that's the only place they play or that those are the only arenas in Greece. We said that Greek teams play games in arenas like the ones we posted pictures of -- which is true.

I also said that they use patio furniture -- which is also true.

Nah, I'm a generally nice person. I just don't suffer fools and liars like you, no matter where they say they come from.

Mel has said in dozens of posts those are the only arenas. I guess you cannot read. manufan is also trying to argue the same.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

You say that both Aris and Maroussi are Euroleague teams, yet the loser of qualification matches between the two teams will play in lower level of compe ion, the Eurocup.

I would contend that neither Aris or Maroussi are yet in the Euroleague, but let's go with your contention that they are.

If two Euroleague teams (your definition) must play one another before the Euroleague regular season begins and the loser is not allowed to play in regular season Euroleague games, but is sent to play in a lower level of compe ion, what words would you use to define what has happened to the loser?

You do not know what the system is, you refuse to even look up on internet to learn about it. You come back with bashing and taunting posts being WRONG in what you say and arrogant and condescending about it. You are a sad person. There is no end to your level of ignorance.

As they say you are a fly over person.

[Mel_13]

Mel has said in dozens of posts those are the only arenas. I guess you cannot read. manufan is also trying to argue the same.

Provide a single quote where I said that the teams played all their games in the smaller arenas. Just one.

From the Panellionis discussion earlier in this thread:

Last year this club played 26 Greek League games and 12 Eurocup games. The 13 home games in the Greek League were played in the 1200 seat home facility. The 6 Eurocup home games were played in the Olympic Arena, which is the home court of Panionios.