So what's the argument to dismiss Kobe's pedestrian clutch statistics?..I can live with people saying he's a top 5 all-time finisher, I just want to know what their reasoning is..quan y>efficiency, pretty much?..
Yes. Many players go their entire NBA career without even hitting 1 game winner.
I think Bird with 35 or so is the only player ahead of Kobe's ~30 (either 29 or 30 not sure which one).
Bird 35 or 36?
Kobe ~30
Jordan 25
LeBron 17
It's hard to deny Kobe, Bird and Michael are the top 3 clutch performers of all time.
just a little curious... why did you put lebron on that list? is he really 4th all-time already with game winners or something?
and really, you can't go wrong with any of the three of Bird, Jordan, or Kobe in crunch time. it would depend on situations though.
if you need 3s in crunch time, im taking Bird.
if you need a single shot from anywhere on the court, you can't go wrong with Kobe.
if you need someone to lead a comeback or to fend off an opposing team making a run through a 2 minute stretch (which is what i think most defines a clutch player, not game winning shots, because even a mediocre player like Rober Horry has hit a bunch of those), im taking Jordan.
but like i said, you cant really go wrong with any of them in crunchtime, single shot or a period of time.
Nah, LeBron is not #4, he's just on the list because he's an active player with statistical clutch #'s that don't necessarily translate into wins.
As far as all the Kobe love, just keepin' up with the haters.
Can't go wrong with Bird or Jordan in the Clutch.
rofl at your typical lebron hate
i wonder where dirk is on that list of game winners. i know he has to have quite a few. aside from kobe, i cant think of anyone i would really flat out take over dirk if i need some clutch shots.
I don't know about all time but Dirk's tied with Kobe at 3 game winners this year.
LeBron's had 1 game winner in I believe 5 tries this year.
As far as a single shot to win the game is concerned....No question, Larry Bird. Not only will he nail that shot, he also tells the defender guarding him where on the court he's gonna shoot it on him. Cold blooded.
As far as taking over the 4th qtr and willing his team to win. Jordan. Nobody did it better. Ever.
5 Minutes left in the game - Jordan
1 minute left in the game - Bird
10 seconds left in the game - Kobe
dirk and kobe have really been clutch machines this year. it seems like at least once a week there are highlights on ESPN of a bunch of clutch shots they hit to lead their team to victory. its been unbelievable.
I didn't watch enough of Jordan/Bird to disagree with this.
Fair enough.
i wonder how much longer Kobe is going to last though. i know he takes good care of himself, but it seems like over the past several years, he has been dealing with injuries somewhat frequently, and insists on playing through them.
gotta give the man props, he really loves basketball and will do anything to help his team win. ive always felt that skill-wise, hes equal or possibly superior to jordan, but various intangibles always held him back from reaching that level of greatness. however that gap has been steadily closing.
It's hype.
Kobe is not even the best closer in today's game.
Kobe may have 35 career game winners, and he also has like 100 missed game winners.
Carmelo, LeBron, and Wade all have better efficiency with game winners.
So giving Kobe credit for x amount of game winners, is just giving credit to someone who has jacked it up a lot of times and actually made some.
Kobe has not had a major injury yet so I don't know what you are talking about.
These finger issues are relatively minor compared to say a blown knee like KG.
As long as he is healthy come playoff time that's all that matters.
Is that Washington article pointing to Kobe as the best finisher of all time because of his three game winners this season?
He may not be the best finisher of all time, but there is no question he's the best active finisher in the NBA.
For proof, you need only refer back to the 2009 Olympics. Who did Team USA defer to in the closing moments?
That's right, Kobe.
Why do you think Kobe's shooting % on game winners is so relatively low?..serious question, I'm interested in finding out..I figure Laker fans would know the answer since they watch him all the time..
Holy ....
The 2005-2007 period where he had to play with smush/kwame/walton as starters. He could never trust those guys(for good reason) and was taking buzzer beaters with 3 people in his face(kobe with 3 people in his face still> walton open shot). That might explain his it....I would guess that if you count his stats for his 2000-2004 and 2008 till today you will find his "clutch" stats are better. All that being said, I don't really believe in "clutchness".
you use this to jerk off?
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